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What If The Nazi's Actually Did Succeed??

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posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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What if the Third Reich actually did develop a time machine?? It's documented that they just dropped the atomic program, and it's rumored that they switched focus to something more technologically advanced than atomic level technology.

IMO perhaps they developed it, went to the future, and they are the ones in control now....why fight a war and kill millions of people if you can just go to the future, see what it is and manipulate time and events to a point where your in control anyway?? I know it may seem a little far fetched, but in reality its not. The ancient Aliens series just did an excellent show on "Ancient Aliens and the Third Reich" it's an excellent watch although very watered down.







I'm interested in some intelligent discussion on this...
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posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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The technology they switched to may have been the Vril craft.

I'm not discounting your idea, although very complicated I do believe time travel is possible. However the anti-gravity drive of the Vril technology is just as revolutionary and would have been easily buildable in the 30's/40's.

To go in a different direction for a moment, Hitler lost, that in no way means the Nazi's did. If you consider WW2 as just another in a series of battles for world domination then there is no reason to believe that the war ever ended. The EU is remarkablly similar to what the Nazi's had in mind, and it is HQ'd in Germany.

One of the things that I can't get out of my head is Prince Harry showing up at a Halloween party dressed as a Nazi. It wasn't a cheap costume that he was wearing, it was a proper uniform.

Third in line for the Brittish crown and niether he nor anyone around him paused for a moment about him dressing that way?

He didn't know better?

Or is there something more.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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That episode was very cool. I wanted to look into the bell thing and the one found in the states years later but didn't get around to it yet. I saw someone mention they think they used the time machine/bell thing to go to Mars, lol. Other people think that Hitler didn't kill himself and really time traveled or something. Or that Hitler did die, but that certain key people left with the bell. Personally, I have no clue but they are all entertaining theories. I like the ideas that genies and Hindu gods could be one in the same as aliens/higher beings/whatever. I think it's entirely possible the Nazis found something on their archaeological searches that lead them to formulating new ideas on energy. My favorite part of the episode is the inclusion of Project Paperclip briefly. Really makes you wonder where the US would be today without certain Germans/Nazis, where we'd be in the space program and such. I wonder if we already are working on something similar to the bell. Then again I don't even know if the bell story is true I'm sure there's speculation. The circular testing area thing for the bell so reminded me of the movie Contact for some reason. Like they really were trying to create something that could travel through wormholes.
Fun episode.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Dont forget this is coming out.




www.ironsky.net...

This looked interesting too.
blog.starwreck.com...
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posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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Wouldn't we all have blonde hair and blue eyes if the Nazi's were successful?
Or was that just Hilter's thing?



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Sadly my friend they did win www.youtube.com... no time machine nessasary .You only need to know the relationship between King Edward and the Nazi's ( formally Nasi ) and why the British Monarchy had to change their name to Windsor .
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posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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I know it may seem a little far fetched


Perhaps the understatement of the century.

If Nazis discovered time travel couldn't they have used it to win the war? Couldn't they have used it to travel back in time and win? They had elaborate occult-like myths about the Master Race, if they had a time machine they could go back and make that master race actually exist couldn't they? Or can you only go forward? I don't think the Nazis are in control now, as unjust as the world might seem I don't know when the last time, in the West, people were loaded onto trains and summarily executed for being inferior. I don't see any overtly Nazi ideas being implemented wholesale. So not only is it scientifically implausible but its also, it would seem, unjustified by evidence



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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I think Hitler convinced the Nazis that they were descendants of the Aryan who they defined to be Nordic and white. But the original term applied to those of Indo-Iranian descent. But the episode suggested it applied the the "Arya" of the Sanskrit, and that they thought they could manifest Sanskrit technology due to this. Maybe he really did think they were descended from some master alien race, who knows.
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posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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From that first video it looks like they switched to developing stain proof jackets and dry cleaning or possibly an electric moustache comb



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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From what our own government is doing to us now days I am starting to wonder if maybe they are back. Maybe in some ways they did win after all.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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I believe you'd be on to something there friend....In reality I do believe that Hitler in the very essence of it was just a puppet, as much a puppet as all the US Presidents have been for 20 years or more....So, you could be very correct, I don't discount the idea I had only because who knows what's in the future, in their minds, perhaps they have gone far enough ahead that they know something of a natural catastrophe will take place and they are just going to wait till it's over and then be the "Rulers" or the TPTB as it's fondly called around here.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by fixer1967
From what our own government is doing to us now days I am starting to wonder if maybe they are back. Maybe in some ways they did win after all.


Exactly


Second Line



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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It's easy to dismiss some things friend, but how do we know how all people think all the time? I think there has to be a very very good reason that they just dropped the atomic stuff and moved on....And perhaps that was the Vril craft as was stated, maybe they are out star hopping the galaxy, or maybe it was Time Travel, and they have it all under control, I don't know either that is why I invited intelligent conversation, thanks for your input.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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I think people give the Nazis way to much credit, there always seem to be the assumption that Hitler was some kind of Evil genius but lets not forget that a part of him losing ww2 was because he failed to realise that Russia was very cold!
They couldn't even figure out how to defeat a snow storm let alone the mysteries of time and space



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners
I think people give the Nazis way to much credit, there always seem to be the assumption that Hitler was some kind of Evil genius but lets not forget that a part of him losing ww2 was because he failed to realise that Russia was very cold!
They couldn't even figure out how to defeat a snow storm let alone the mysteries of time and space


All the more the reason that you have to wonder how in the world they came up with the kind of technology they did....I am quite convinced that some race, Aryan or otherwise could have come and wanted to pick a power to win it all, then come and dominate it behind the scenes....There is so much that could be contemplated, perhaps it wasn't a congenial race, and they really did want to destroy the world, on that though then, perhaps the alien race AND the Germans were ultimately defeated by another alien race or presence.....hmm, I love thinking about this kind of stuff.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Do you think it would be a "forward in time" only machine?
Otherwise it would be easier to go to the past with a few Subs or tanks and slaughter Napoleon / Sink the Armada or some such thing



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners
Do you think it would be a "forward in time" only machine?
Otherwise it would be easier to go to the past with a few Subs or tanks and slaughter Napoleon / Sink the Armada or some such thing


Well, Stephen Hawking says that forward time travel is possible, not back, or if it is it would be extremely difficult to do....I don't know that's an answer we may see someday in the near future



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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The idea that Hitler could achieve his megalomaniacal plans today sounds absurd. But the Germans came close to winning the war. Both the English historian Stephen Ambrose attributes the defeat of the Nazis to a Scottish meteorologist. He was named JM Stagg and did the weather forecast for Allied troops. On June 5, 1944, despite the storm that punished the French coast, he ensured that the sky would open later.

It was a kick, because the climate in that region is so unstable that even today half of the satellites miss forecasts. But Stagg hit. If the rain continued, the soldiers who landed in France the next morning - the D-Day - would reach the coast sick, unable to fight. And there would be no visibility to drop bombs or paratroopers. Result: The operation to liberate France would be a fiasco.

On the other hand, the British military historian John Keegan believes that Hitler lost his chance of winning three years earlier, in 1941. At that time, almost all of Europe was in their hands or their accomplices and supporters Italians Spaniards. Excited, the dictator looked forward to Russia and was defeated by the winter. Keegan argues that Hitler could have opted for an indirect invasion. He would go easy in Turkey and from there extend their tentacles throughout the Middle East. Would, therefore, an inexhaustible supply of oil for its troops. Then would the southern Soviet Union, where the winter is not so cruel. And let Stalin without its largest oil reserves.

"From then on, it would be easy to conquer Russia and then India, then an English colony," says Keegan. Meanwhile, their Japanese allies occupy China, connecting Japan to Germany. And do not stop there. "England is sparsely populated and poor in natural resources," said Keegan. Without its colonies, would become the prey does cyl. At the time, much of Africa was a European colony and eventually into the hands of the Führer.

Result: even before 1950, the "Nazi empire" would have been spread through Europe, Asia and Africa - more than the Roman and Mongol empires combined. "It would be a world of two classes," says Christian Lohbauer, a specialist in German history, USP. The Aryans considered above, have you. Slavs, black and Asian people would become smaller. Other people, like Jews and Gypsies were decimated.

It is quite possible that neither the Nazis so chill. "They have depended on war," said Lohbauer. "German companies have grown by providing equipment for the Army and needed the labor, slave labor of prisoners." Ie invading country after country would continue to maintain this schedule. Were going to stay nonviolent and then on to Oceania. "We have a century of struggle ahead of us," said Hitler once. "Before this than go to sleep."

So he would meet the interests of another power: the USA. "Do not we would allow them to take possession of Latin America," said Robert M. Cowley, founder of the magazine Military History Quarterly, specializing in military history.

In this scenario, the Cold War would have occurred between Germany and USA. "But more likely would be even a hot war," says Keegan. And the stage would be Latin America. The fight would last forever? "I doubt it," says Cowley. "The Nazi empire was based on a charismatic figure. An hour Hitler die. Who would replace him?"

After the death of the dictator, the oppressed would rebel and empire would crumble. Arrive by 2000 in stirring up the debris. It is quite possible that science was stagnant after decades burning through money at the pumps. The computer would be primitive. And the Internet would not exist: authoritarian regimes, which depend on the control of information, prevent it became popular. The next time you surf the world wide web, thank, therefore, to that lucky meteorologist Scot.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners
Do you think it would be a "forward in time" only machine?
Otherwise it would be easier to go to the past with a few Subs or tanks and slaughter Napoleon / Sink the Armada or some such thing


I think that a "forward in time" only machine is the only time travel that would allow you to stay in your time line. I think any time travel back would put you in an alternate time line. That is way we have never and never will see time a traveler from the future coming to visit us. So if you went back just 5 seconds in time or even .5 seconds in time you would never be seen or heard from any by any one in this time line. You would start a new time line the instant you broke the space time barrier. You would never be able to get back to the time line you started from and in fact you would never be able to go back to the same time line a second time. Forward time travel could have some uses but backward time travel is worthless for the most part. It would only be good for creating your own time line which may be fun knowing that nothing you do will ever mean anything to the time line you left. I think that time travel idea will die out someday when people see that only forward travel has any real uses.

I just the way I see things. NO PROOF or anything to back up any of that but that is the way see understand it to be.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Yes and maybe they discovered Unicorns were real and are riding them throughout the galaxy. It isn't that I'm instantly dismissing it, its that without good evidence presented in favor of it I see no reason to believe it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I don't even see any evidence of the ordinary kind here, just speculation of something that MIGHT have happened. Well ANYTHING MIGHT have happened but if there's no solid evidence to support my claim to what happened than I have no good reason to hold that claim/belief.



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