"Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America"

Homeland Security = Hitler's SS?
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by YouAreDreaming

Originally posted by YouAreDreaming

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Within a month of the nation being attacked by terrorists, legislation that combated terrorism by suspending constitutional guarantees of free speech was championed by a popular leader. It was called the “Decree on the Protection of People and State,” and it passed despite the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians.

A new national agency was formed within a year that coordinated police and federal security. It consolidated unprecedented power under one leader. No, this is not President Bush’s newly won Department of Homeland Security—it was Hitler’s Office of Fatherland Security, the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel, better known simply as the SS.

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The Parsons in 1984, and their spy-like kids:

Also their kids represent how the Party has made it unsafe to even live within the privacy of your own home. the kids are trained to spy on their parents and the Parsons children are an example of just how that works when the little Parsons girl turns her father over to the Thought Police.

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And don't forget this:

ATS News 10 - Obama Administration Staffer Wants To Stop Conspiracy Theorists!
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Wake up people.
Please.

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Just because some corporate individuals were connected to the USSR does not mean that corporations are connected to communism. I think this is a weak attempt to make excuses that this was not capitalism or any fault of deregulation. In a communist system the corporation cannot exist as wealth is distributed equally toward the public. The corporation cannot exist because it's ability to make profit is blocked by the government. If the government in this communist system allowed for businesses to keep all their earning and grow, this would no longer because a communist system. It makes absolutely no sense for you to argue that corporatism is a communist concept or can be within a communist system, it is impossible under any true communist system. Wealth is distributed by the government, the corporation cannot exist under these circumstances.

from the article you linked:

Rather, like all banking investments ultimately turn out, it was an investment in the control of human beings.

This is purely speculation from the article itself, it does not serve as fact.

As for property being seized by the government, this is not necessarily a "communist" or "socialist" concept, this is directly linked back to the free market and capitalist system. If you lend money from a private bank, and you purchase the house from a private real estate development company or individual, in the free market system or capitalist system there are no protections for you if you fail to uphold those contracts and pay the lending fees to the bank. Those lawyers taking your land off from you, they are merely representing the interests of their private clients because you did not uphold a contract and pay the banks back the money. The government is enforcing a capitalist law in holding you obligated to pay the banks back. The idea that in a true capitalist system property and crime can be dealt with through purely private means has absolutely no basis for it. If somebody evades payment towards a bank and dissappears, who's going to go after them? who is going to hold them accountable? Private businesses would not be able to physically take in the evaders as they are not of the law to do so. I cannot walk into your house and chase you out because you did not pay your bank fees, it is not my job to uphold the law.

Just because the government is involved does not automatically equate it to communism or socialism. The free market and capitalist system requires a form of government to enforce contractual agreements, otherwise the markets would not function as everybody would bail out.

It's not just the US changing, a major shift in power is happening thanks to the financial crisis.

For the last 25 years, the US benefitted from strong growth of the economy. This was in part due to the deregulation of the financial industry allowing them to screw us all over. You can thank the politicians who voted "yes" on those deregulation bills. If you care, it's not difficult to look up...but either way, it's too late now.

The US government operated the same way under Bush and now Obama. All those wars, and covering for their corporate sponsors when the crisis hit, are expensive. That money has to come from somewhere...which is why the US lent money from China and Saudi Arabia. But just like the real economy, eventually, the amount of debt would be too large compared with GDP output. We reached that point a few months ago. It's not the fault of either party, it's the system's fault...it makes it way too easy for politicians to become corporate puppets.

Globalization is unstoppable now, and was largely kick-started by the US. Every country invests in other countries. For example, if Saudi Arabia were to take out all their investments in the US, the economy would crash so hard, this current crisis would look like a walk in the park.

Anyway, China obviously expects that money back...and rightfully so. However, in order to kickstart their economy and to reduce the actual amount of debt owed, the government is turning the US dollar into toilet paper. That's good for the export industry, but horrible for citizens as inflation will make food prices rise...and travelling abroad will be ridiculously expensive.

Also, China and India have made remarkable progress in economy. Whereas the US was always the uncontested number one when it comes to economy, it's foreseeable that they'll lose that rank to China and India...and possibly Germany if they keep on rolling like now and if they team up with the stronger economies in Europe.

In the 20th century we had a unilateral power structure on earth, with the US being on top. The 21st century shows the rise of other nations and eventually the power structure will be multilateral. If the US wants to remain a strong position, they need to seriously up the ante on education. India for example has more honor students than students...what do you think will that mean for India's economy?





Eventually, the dollar won't be the world's reserve currency anymore. This crisis clearly showed that having the reserve currency only consist of one country's currency is way too unstable. If that country's economy crashes, everyone suffers. So eventually, a new base currency will be created based on a basket of international currencies (incl the dollar).

I think all these "doom threads" reflect the populations' issues when it comes to dealing with losing the number 1 rank in the US.

Welcome to the 21st century, a world where there's no more 1 superpower leading all others, a world where people have to consider global impacts instead of only focusing on their country.

The US is facing 3 issues:

1) The world is changing and many of the "follower" nations are turning into leaders themselves.
2) The US politicians largely fail at coping with that or analyzing the situation correctly. And exception is Michael Bloomberg, but he's "only" a mayor.
3) The US political 2 party system is BROKEN. Whereas in the old days politicians largely served the people, they now serve the corporations. Why? Because the people allow them to receive donations. If you were in their shoes, would you serve the guys who pay you, or the guys who don't pay you? FIX the system and stop focusing on individual parties.



Bloomberg for president imo! But only after the system is fixed...

My meager OP is dwarfed by this great thread:

T.S.A. : Birth of A Monster, Coup Against American Rights, F.E.M.A. Started and D.A.R.P.A. Finished
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by SpartanKingLeonidas

P.S. It's 7:20AM Sunday morning in Korea. Let the games begin?

"Imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever"

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Just because some corporate individuals were connected to the USSR does not mean that corporations are connected to communism. I think this is a weak attempt to make excuses that this was not capitalism or any fault of deregulation. In a communist system the corporation cannot exist as wealth is distributed equally toward the public.....

I did not make myself clear.

Before I start remember the large corporations control the media through their advertising dollars or by owning them out right. One of these days I will put up here at ATS my experience with the nation wide propaganda network that jolted me awake. This is an e-mail to me from someone that illustrates what I mean. The subject of his suppressed story includes the death of a woman and other nasties.

Hello XXXX:
Yup, this is a scandal & potential PR disaster in the making.

Regarding top notch investigative reporters: perhaps 3 years ago the Sunday magazine of the New York Times had such a reporter visit me for several days, who documented all the evidence, and was salivating to have her report printed. She later told me that although the editorial staff was in full favor of printing it, at the very last moment top management from NY Times vetoed publication. Why? Well, not many national publications want to alienate their company from large industry, nor do they want to discourage advertisers from "paying" for such damaging reports.

Manipulation of public opinion is not new. To get the Federal Reserve Act passed, the Banking Cartel placed their specially groomed economists in universities. The U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917 even shows how J.P. Morgan interests bought 25 of America's leading newspapers, and inserted their own editors, in order to control the media.

“They gave large amounts of money to some of the better known universities in America; they created newly formed departments of economics with that money; they hand picked their own people to be the professors to head up those departments and then those professors with all of their academic credentials gave speeches and wrote scholarly essays extolling the virtues of the Federal Reserve System. www.bigeye.com...

The mixing of truth with a hidden agenda allows control of Activists while the Cartels interests are furthered. The ‘Innocents' Clubs’ are an example of the type of thing I mean.

The ‘Innocents' Clubs’: www.heretical.com...
“...During the 1920's and most of the 1930's Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin's front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg's direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West....Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called 'Innocents' Clubs' had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism. The descendents of the 'Innocents' Clubs' are still hard at work in our universities and colleges. Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression...”

In 1954 Lyndon B Johnson’s amendment changed the IRS code, prohibiting tax-exempt entities and churches from endorsing or opposing political candidates. Although this has largely stopped the influence of churches it has no effect on NGOs. The prominence of NGOs and the foundations of today’s environment movement are traceable to the 1972 Strong's U.N. Conference.

In this way control of public opinion was moved from real local grassroots centered in independent local churches to Corporate orchestrated Astroturf.

"Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues," notes Peter Spiro. "Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots." The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations. www.afn.org...

Now think about it for a minute....
DO you REALLY think we would hear about Greenpeace, Global Warming, Pollution and all the rest of the "Social" agendas WITHOUT the SUPPORT OF BIG CORPORATE FOUNDATIONS?????

It is all bread and circuses used to keep the "unwashed masses" especially the young who want to "revolt against the establishment" under control.

So what happens when a hand picked "Social" agenda becomes popular and gets made into law??? The Corporate/Government Revolving Door goes into action to assure large corporations can slide-by giving lip service to the regs and small competitors get screwed to the wall and either bankrupted or have so much capital and manpower diverted they do not have the resources to become competitive. Meanwhile Congress "borrows" instantly created on the spot debt (fiat money) from the Federal Reserve to fund the new government department. This instantly created "fairy dust debt" is then painfully paid back by from the 90 percent of all personal taxable income generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.


The USA and the rest of the world does not run under "Capitalism" or a "Free Market" despite all the disinformation running around out there stating that it does. Instead we run under the nastiest of systems - neo-corporatism

Today, corporatism or neo-corporatism is used in reference to tendencies in politics for legislators and administrations to be influenced or dominated by the interests of business enterprises (limited liability corporations). The influence by other types of corporations, such as those representing organized labor, is relatively minor. In this view, government decisions are seen as being influenced strongly by which sorts of policies will lead to greater profits for favored companies. In this sense of the word, corporatism is also termed corporatocracy. If there is substantial military-corporate collaboration it is often called militarism or the military-industrial complex.

Corporatism is also used to describe a condition of corporate-dominated globalization...

Most political economists believe that such neo-corporatist arrangements are only possible in societies in which labor is highly organized and various labor unions are hierarchically organized in a single labor federation...

In recent times, the profusion of lobby groups and the increase in campaign contributions has led to widespread controversy and the McCain Feingold act. American corporatism is evidenced in the close ties between members of the Bush Administration and many large corporations, such as Halliburton.

John Ralston Saul argues that most Western societies are best described as corporatist states, run by a small elite of professional and interest groups, that exclude political participation from the citizenry.

However "Corporatism" in a democracy or republic will not work for long if the "Unwashed Masses" catch wind of what is really going on. Therefore diversionary tactics are needed. That is where all the different forms of Marxism - Socialism - Communism come in down right handy.

“What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control...” search.marxists.org...

So whats not to like? Control is placed directly into the hands of the ELITE few. Do you really think the Elite want to continue wasting time, money and energy diverting public opinion in countries that have a vote? Isn't Totalitarian Control a lot easier? Especially a Totalitarian Control as seen in the EU where the masses THINK they have a say but really do not?

Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - Pg. 405 of David Rockefeller's Autobiography, 2002

Or when speaking at the UN Business Council in Sept 17 1994

"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. David Rockefeller"

If we look at the European Union I think we can see the next proposed step by The Commission on Global Governance where, using the World Trade Organization, national sovereignty will be further eroded. We can already see how the Corporate dominated WTO/UN/Codex Alimentarious is "dictating" national laws on drugs, vitamins, food and farming.


Why the elite supported communism in Russia I do not know. Perhaps it was just a giant experiment for them. However the one thing you can be sure of is that the Corporate and Banking Elite HATE true Capitalism and Mises free market. That is capitalism with a level playing field - no monopolies, no monopsony, no bankster fraud just competition encouraging and rewarding peoples best efforts.

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Oh yeah it is no joke: Spies Like Us

People have been wondering how the USDA is ever going to enforce such a complex Byzantine system of regulations .... Well now we know:

US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report “suspicious activity”. Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential for abusive, large-scale investigations of US citizens. Highlighting the scope of the surveillance network, TIPS volunteers are being recruited primarily from among those whose work provides access to homes, businesses or transport systems. Letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors are among those named as targeted recruits.....

Note that on page 27 of the USDA proposed draft for NAIS it states:

Reporting Animal Movement/Sightings
Records that provide animal location and movements would be received from various sectors of the industry (producers, animal health officials, service providers, markets, and slaughter plants). Such input would be obtained through the integration of the AIN/Animal Transaction file....

On another site one commenter said she found her VET wandering around her property snapping pictures right and left. Her husband, a cop took the camera, exposed the film and tossed his rear off the property.

My neighbor across the street who lives about a half mile down a wooded, rutted drive was confronted by a PETA rep with lots of photos demanding he get all sorts of Vet certificates because he had a very old horse hidden behind his house. - He killed it instead.

Hey, Obama has done several things that he repeatedly said he would do during his campaign, and everyone ra ra'd at the time.

Hitler also repeatedly said that he would do the things he did BEFORE he did them, and millions cheered him on.

Originally posted by babybunnies
Hey, Obama has done several things that he repeatedly said he would do during his campaign, and everyone ra ra'd at the time.

Hitler also repeatedly said that he would do the things he did BEFORE he did them, and millions cheered him on.

Oh the old "Obama is just like Hitler" claim...seriously, stop watching Beck & Co.

There's plenty of things you can be angry about, but comparing him to Hitler...seriously? All it does is show how much the political parties have you in their grip. You don't think logically anymore, and are only repeating slogans you picked up somewhere.

That's exactly the issue in the US, a large part of the population is getting dumbed down to the point where they get their "information" only from opinion blogs and opinion shows on TV. They don't THINK anymore, they just repeat stuff like parrots.

Also, stop getting your information from crappy sites such as NoNAIS...they also talk about "holistic goat care" on the same site, which makes it NOT the site to get your political news from. Seriously people, are you so brainwashed and lazy that you refuse to research on your own, but rather have some random site do the "thinking" for you before feeding you their biased interpretation (or flat out lie like in the "every 24th American will become a spy" statement).

actually i think it has gotten much better with obama. torture has been outlawed, with the health care act i can now include my 23-year old son ( i am 58 years old ) on our health plan. obama followed through with pulling the majority of troops out of iraq. he bailed out GM, saving hundreds of thousands of jobs. the stimulus money, 1/3 for tax cuts for 95% of americans, 1/3 to help the individual states from going bankrupt last year and defaulting on their bonds, and 1/3 going into direct job creation. obama brought back habeus corpus (apparently you right-wingers don't care about that, because it is never mentioned)....all this without one single republican vote, the republicans are the ones that don't give a damn about the hard-working regular joes being hurt in this country, it's only tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. what a bunch of blowhards the right-wingers have become. i wouldn't vote for one if he was running for dogcatcher. yeah...i'm a liberal, damn proud of it, i own guns and i am a fair shot, i hang out the american flag on memorial day, fourth of july, and veterans day, because i'm am proud of the many men and women that gave their lives for me to enjoy the freedom i have today, and there were/are a hell of a lot of them that were/are liberals. the republicans in congress should have their mamas come and give them a stiff kick in the rearend, and tell them to start taking care of the bottom 95% of their constituents, and quit wasting their time taking care of the wealthest top 5%.

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I agree, people sometimes forget the good things that were accomplished because the media looooooooves focusing on positive news.

And that shows a crucial issue: Since people stop doing their own research, they just listen to the "loudest" voice tell them their opinion...instead of coming up with their own opinion by doing their own research. Instead we have mindless zombies repeating campaign slogans like "Obama did...and Hitler did the same". All it shows is that the citizens are systematically being dumbed down...which makes them easier to control.

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....Also, stop getting your information from crappy sites such as NoNAIS...they also talk about "holistic goat care" on the same site.....

"holistic goat care"

Where the H did that come from?

And what does it have to do with the US government placing a permanent ID number on your deed, tracking devises in your animals, demanding search with out a warrant, and requiring you to report it every time an animal enters or leaves your property?

NONAIS.org is primarily about legislation effecting farming not some off the wall crap like "holistic goat care" Your ignorance is showing in spades.

OOPS sorry Mr. Monsanto

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It's featured as a blog on that site!

Look, I get why they're against it, it results in more paper work and maybe a fee. However, something they completely fail to mention is that this is a great thing for consumers. It results in more oversight, it'll be easier to track diseases from farm animals, and will force producers to follow minimum standards. All this is GOOD for the consumer. So if this ever came to a vote, I'd vote YES in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by crimvelvet

 

It's featured as a blog on that site!

Look, I get why they're against it, it results in more paper work and maybe a fee. However, something they completely fail to mention is that this is a great thing for consumers. It results in more oversight, it'll be easier to track diseases from farm animals, and will force producers to follow minimum standards. All this is GOOD for the consumer. So if this ever came to a vote, I'd vote YES in a heartbeat.

No its not ;when they are even concerned about grandma registering a few kitchen chickens; they are securing the production of food for big agra.and giving yet one more goobermint agency the "right" to come on your land and inspect,.why are so many posters on a conspiracy forum able to say:" if it keeps us safer" I don'tcare" if you' ve got nothing to hide its no biggie?????

Unless everyone of these who logon and pushes the the standard approved button " if you're not a "tourist";you have nothing to hide" ties up several frustrated; tired of typing constitutionalists retyping the same arguments...
before anybody flips out Iam only half serious...

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I think the swine and bird flue made it abundantly clear that checks are required to keep outbreaks to a minimum. And diseases like that don't care about whether you're a big or small farm!

Again, this is a great thing for the consumer and also puts a safety measure in place to minimize the effects of outbreaks. FYI, the "Mexican" swine flue originated in CALIFORNIA!

The quicker you know where it started, the quicker doctors can react. This is not a "the government is taking over my farm" problem, it's a "how can we best protect the citizens" measure!

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
Here's your new Amerika:

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Sleep tight.

Is that from the movie They Live? The pic does say a lot.

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Why yes... yes it is.
Sums it up, doesn't it.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by jimmyx

 

I agree, people sometimes forget the good things that were accomplished because the media looooooooves focusing on positive news.

And that shows a crucial issue: Since people stop doing their own research, they just listen to the "loudest" voice tell them their opinion...instead of coming up with their own opinion by doing their own research. Instead we have mindless zombies repeating campaign slogans like "Obama did...and Hitler did the same". All it shows is that the citizens are systematically being dumbed down...which makes them easier to control.

Remember when college used to be a place where you went to learn how to think, not what to think. A professor told me once "The purpose of college is to teach you how to think." He also said something like " The purpose of college is to make you not need college anymore." Or something like that. You get the jist.

Anyway, these days the purpose of college isn't to teach you how to think, but rather to teach you a trade in order to make money at a job you hate so you can but things you don't need. Tyler Durden said something like that in a movie once...