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No Pat-Downs Eh? Canadians Too Polite for TSA-Style Searches

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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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No Pat-Downs Eh? Canadians Too Polite for TSA-Style Searches


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Canadian authorities say the country's airport screeners won't resort to American-style groping. Because that wouldn't be nice.


Transport Minister Chuck Strahl called the American approach to security "provocative." (Read about TSA rage.)

"Canadians obviously have a right to expect to be treated properly and respectfully at airports,” he said.

“While the Americans have instituted a more intensive ... pat-down technique, that's not happening in Canada.”
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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I love my country.

Now I'm against this whole TSA thing from the get go, I think it's ridiculous that people are being forced to submit themselves to humiliating searches and pat downs.

I think the FBS are ridiculous as well, no need to give yourself that much radiation at ANY point during your life, security or not.

Obviously there's a balance to be had between security and liberty when it comes to travel, but I do think the TSA has gone a little nutty with the concept.

So Canada, are we being stupid by not adopting these "vital" security measures? Or are we the smart ones for not falling prety to sensationalized fear?

~Keeper

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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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The new security measures are nothing but an infringement of our 4th amendment rights.

9 years after 911, are you kidding me?

The cockpit doors have been reinforced, the pilots carry guns, and we got air marshalls onboard.

The chemical in the underwear bomber would not have been detected by the backscatter(x-ray) or milimeter ware(micro-wave) machines.

The cargo is the biggest security threat and they don't even scan it.

Instead most people just pass through the metal detector, and the TSA selects foolish targets such as 3 yr old kids and "hot chicks" to go to the machines or the pat-down.

Total intrusion into our rights.

I would rather die in flight, than live in a police state.

The government should not be in charge, the carriers should.

Then, we the people, could decide to get on whatever plane we chose.

Some fools would get on the planes, where passengers are groped, and have porno pictures taken of them. Kiddie Porn in my opinion, when it comes to children.

The rest of us, who are not scared #-less by government propoganda, could get on planes where the passengers are treated like citizens.

Those who would sacrafice liberty for security, deserve neither, and will lose both.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:25 PM
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Good to know some people still have morals. Be proud mate.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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I sure am!

I just think it's kind of funny that we don't consider it a rights issue, it's all about politeness for us I guess
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I'm just happy we are able to have security AND freedom as opposed to just having one of them.

~Keeper



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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...This is good stuff for America. When the next terror attack happens on US soil, people will point to Canada (yet again) for allowing terrorists into the states because the borders are not secure.

Of course this never happened in 2001 regardless of what some still think, but if something does happen, blame will again (inappropriately) fall on us because we haven't adopted TSA laws.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Portugoal
...This is good stuff for America. When the next terror attack happens on US soil, people will point to Canada (yet again) for allowing terrorists into the states because the borders are not secure.

Of course this never happened in 2001 regardless of what some still think, but if something does happen, blame will again (inappropriately) fall on us because we haven't adopted TSA laws.


Yup I see that coming.

Although we aren't really ones to bend to political pressure or misinformation as far as I can see. Harper may be a shill but he isn't going to mess around with our proven security measures.

All we need is a mountie with a taser.

~Keeper



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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Yes. I agree, Canada is a great country. I just got back from Vegas with a connection in Montreal down and back. we had no problem. I put my coat, my carry on, and my shoes in the basket and walked through the metal detector. When I got through it, the security asked to see my hat, I gave it to him and he checked it and gave it back, said thank you and I was on to the plane. Vegas is pretty awesome by the way. My first time out of Canada except border states.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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We have lost our rights in a more subtle way (s)
for instance:
Did I hear this right recently...?
Now we are not entiled to a lawyer of our choice during questioning.

I was just watching the news to night
3 totally over the top police beatings where the police lied
not even realizing they were on camera in the station...

Well, I wouldn't trade being Canadian for anything
I'm pretty sure if it was left up to the people here we can figure it out.
My biggest fear is there are people with a vested interest in no one getting it right, because then everyone would want to to that, and the PTB don't want anyone to get it right, because they would be the first thing that goes.
buggers.

oh well, I can't see the airport people getting a Canadian to drop his or her trap door long johns, it just doesn't work as a visual...and I hope it stays that way.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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That's not entirely true. If you look at "Defense Against Help" pretty much Canada will go so far to improve security only to the point that is needed to satisfy the US. We saw this at 9/11. There were concerns with the openess of our border. A closed border = devasting results for Canadian trade. So to satisfy the US, Canada beefed up security at the border. All this and terrorists never went through our country.

So if something were to happen in the future and this is going to be blamed, in order to protect our economy, Canada will have to, once again, defend ourselves to the point that satifies the US. That will mean TSA groping and possibly more, whether or not it is true that our laws led to terrorists getting into their country.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Yeah I definetly remember that stuff, although I would love to forget. The whole passport fiasco is ridiculous as well.

Hopefully we will be able to leave it the way it. Although it could be that the security at our airports simply refuse to do these sorts of searches without proper suspicion and the like.

My brother in law and his wife both work Airport Security in Saskatoon and I've been keeping myself informed through them about potential changes to the security protocol and he's told me that the transport authority is leaving it up to the individual airport at this time.

~Keeper



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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I enjoy flying in Canada . It is not intrusive and the people there respect my rights
I have never had any altercaions or questions other than is that a belt buckle?
I respect any agent that tells me I shouldn't carry on more than one lighter.
I will praise the Canadian system to the end. They have made me feel like a person and
not like a piece of meat carrying explosives to see my grand kids.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 12:07 AM
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I have worked airport security, and yes there are pat downs. However there are strict rules regarding how these proceed. Only employees of the same sex are allowed to pat down passengers. No "junk" touching is allowed, and private rooms are available for those who are selected for "additional screening". In my experience people don't pay attention to information spoken directly to them or what is written on boards...hence the flap about not being told about private rooms, airport security is just an inconvenience to them. But I will say the first time my socks were checked I was flustered.

Jester



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-H.L. Mencken



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 01:15 AM
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that states it quite well
the more quotes I see of his the more I am begining to respect him
well said



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower

No Pat-Downs Eh? Canadians Too Polite for TSA-Style Searches


newsfeed.time.com


Canadian authorities say the country's airport screeners won't resort to American-style groping. Because that wouldn't be nice.


Transport Minister Chuck Strahl called the American approach to security "provocative." (Read about TSA rage.)

"Canadians obviously have a right to expect to be treated properly and respectfully at airports,” he said.

“While the Americans have instituted a more intensive ... pat-down technique, that's not happening in Canada.”
(visit the link for the full news article)



Probably because this American style of pat down would constitute an "UNREASONABLE" search as stated in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms



CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
Legal Rights
LIFE, LIBERTY AND SECURITY OF PERSON.
7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
SEARCH OR SEIZURE.
8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.





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posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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I wish British airports were still like this!
If only the biggest problem we had now was people smuggling watches




posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Well that makes sense
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Although it's debatable what constitutes reasonable, I certainly don't think the TSA is doing these reasonably.

~Keeper



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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Although it's debatable what constitutes reasonable, I certainly don't think the TSA is doing these reasonably.

~Keeper


I think things get sketchy and unreasonable when genitals get brushed or hands enter undergarments. To me that sounds unreasonable and not open to debate.



posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Actually I don't think it's so much that we're too polite.

It's that Canadians that have been here for several generations have this thing about personal space. We just don't touch each other in public unless for shaking hands. It took me awhile to get used to the idea that some of my friends are the 'huggy' type. It's still uncomfortable sometimes..

Personally I get weirded out when I'm standing at a crosswalk and someone comes and stands well within arms reach next to me even though there is a good 50 feet of empty space around us.

So groping? Not so much..




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