Clinton talks to China about Wikileaks release

Originally posted by McGinty
UK news is reporting overtly on the leaks about other middle east countries wanting the US to 'deal' with Iran.

Or, Wiki is a US black-op...

Or, Wiki is unknowingly being fed what the TPTB want them to leak.

So far, these leaks appear to be handing the US a mandate to 'deal' with Iran and that smell a little fishy!

Or it's really how some of Iran's neighbors feel!

reply to post by McGinty


Yep why are they building it up. Usa white house could of totally ignored this,a nd made sure teh media never looked at it. They are powerful enough to make sure this never got into the media at all, except from sites like this.

Most definitely the uk and usa govs want this out there.

We have no way of verifying anything in these docs period.

Why all the fuss about this stuff, like how mrs clinton calling this country and that. Do you not think countries know about these sorts of infos, lol.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by McGinty
UK news is reporting overtly on the leaks about other middle east countries wanting the US to 'deal' with Iran.

Or, Wiki is a US black-op...

Or, Wiki is unknowingly being fed what the TPTB want them to leak.

So far, these leaks appear to be handing the US a mandate to 'deal' with Iran and that smell a little fishy!

Or it's really how some of Iran's neighbors feel!

edit on 28-11-2010 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

Well if I lived in that area, I wouldn't want Iran and Israel at war with nuclear options, we all know how that ends, seriously.

Reread the Headlines in mainstream coming out. It's about Hillary doing damage control to protect Obama.
NOT the content that embarreses the White House...but Obama. Oye! She got him GOOD!

How much advance warning did she have?

WHO got the last laugh in the last Presidency run?
Why WOULD she in in 2012? She'll have all her ducks in a row, that still trust the U.S. internationally.
She can endorse anybody in the Democratic Party..and it's a done deal.(Not who wins.)

Terrible politics for a New World Order OR the U.S going on right now.

Ouch...Almost owned and pawned here...

Mo,Larry ,Cheese

Secret American intelligence assessments have concluded that Iran has obtained a cache of advanced missiles, based on a Russian design, that are much more powerful than anything Washington has publicly conceded that Tehran has in its arsenal, diplomatic cables show.

Iran obtained 19 of the missiles from North Korea, according to a cable dated Feb. 24 of this year

www.nytimes.com...

Not much to find on Wikileaks re: Beijing, yet,-- wonder why? -- but this old cable from 2009 seems at least remotely related to this subject/thread :

China Pleased With Bosworth Visit to DPRK
-----------------------------------------

¶3. (C) Asked his views on the North Korea nuclear situation,
CCID Director Wang stated that China was very pleased that
Ambassador Bosworth was in Pyongyang, noting that the visit
would be "cost effective" because the North Koreans had made
clear there could be no resuming the Six-Party Talks without
first convening a bilateral U.S.-DPRK dialogue. Ambassador
Bosworth's visit effectively "kicked the ball" back to the
North Koreans. When asked what the likely outcome of the
talks would be, Wang said the ideal outcome would be a
meeting with Kim Jong-il, which would send a very positive
signal, but it was impossible to predict North Korean
behavior through "normal" means of reading public indicators.
Wang said that Ambassador Bosworth would likely meet with
First Vice Foreign Minister Kang Sok-ju, who was "a
hardliner" with "strong views" and whose opinions were valued
by the DPRK's top leaders. However, Kang had to follow
orders from above, Wang noted, and would not want to lose
such an opportunity to improve relations with the United
States. The negotiations with Ambassador Bosworth would be a
bargaining process, with each side trying to discern the
other's bottom line.

¶4. (C) The North needed a breakthrough in its relations with
the United States, Wang asserted, both because of its
domestic situation and the current international environment,
but it would not be easy for North Korea to make a specific
promise regarding a return to the Six-Party Talks or to
announce denuclearization. Ambassador Bosworth's trip itself
was important because it demonstrated that the United States
was serious about preventing a nuclear Korean peninsula and
was committed to a peaceful resolution of the issue. Wang
said China was aware that the United States worried that it
would be deceived by the North but in China's view there was
no need to worry because the current process of promoting
dialogue and negotiations was quite transparent and the
international community would know what the outcome would be.

Bolded above ^^ mine for emphasis given the recent NK/China/US/SK scenario--

More at link: cablegate....__._/cable/2009/12/09BEIJING3313.html

And this from Clinton to China:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR CHINA ON THE
MALAYSIA-BASED COMPANY ELECTRONICS COMPONENT LIMITED

REF: A. 09 STATE 130917
¶B. 09 BEIJING 003476

Classified By: ISN/MTR DIRECTOR PAM DURHAM, REASON: 1.4 (C).

¶1. (U) This is an action request. Embassy Beijing, please
see paragraph 4.

¶2. (S) Background/Objective: In December 2009, the United
States shared with China information regarding attempts by
the Malaysia-based firm Electronics Component Limited (ECL)
to buy TRS-500 gyroscopes from the Chinese firm VibTel
Industrial Co. Inc. (Ref A). These gyroscopes, which are
controlled by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR)
and China's missile-related export controls, would be
suitable for use in the guidance systems of ballistic
missiles, cruise missiles, and unmanned aerial vehicles. We
requested China investigate this information because ECL is
associated with a network of Iranian-controlled front
companies that procure sensitive goods on behalf of a number
of Iranian entities of proliferation concern.

cablegate....__._/cable/2010/02/10STATE10900.html

Saudi Arabia urges US attack on Iran to stop nuclear programme

• Embassy cables show Arab allies want strike against Tehran
• Israel prepared to attack alone to avoid its own 9/11
• Iranian bomb risks 'Middle East proliferation, war or both'

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme, according to leaked US diplomatic cables that describe how other Arab allies have secretly agitated for military action against Tehran.
www.guardian.co.uk...
The revelations, in secret memos from US embassies across the Middle East, expose behind-the-scenes pressures in the scramble to contain the Islamic Republic, which the US, Arab states and Israel suspect is close to acquiring nuclear weapons. Bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has hitherto been viewed as a desperate last resort that could ignite a far wider war.

OH yea, make us the bad guy

So what's the relationship between wikileaks and China? Can China stop them to release the truth?It seem that usa is really in trouble ...

Originally posted by skyvia
So what's the relationship between wikileaks and China? Can China stop them to release the truth?It seem that usa is really in trouble ...

Well that relationship seems to be a matter of debate right now. I don't know, some have said that the data used for the leaks were obtained by the Chinese when they hacked the US governments system a few months back?

How is the USA really in trouble (other than its "wrongful" acts in Iraq & Afghanistan?

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I've already stated this a few pages back, take a read of mine, I think the same thing; how would someone who is this "public" be allowed to do this and what are the advantages for the USA. Take a read it's a few pages back.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Who would have the most to gain by releasing the info?

1. Some geeky internet do gooders?

2. The Republicans trying to drag the present administration across the coals even though it has exposed other actions by the previous administration?

3. China or Russia or both in an attempt to expose what goes on in back room maneuvers in order to put the US in a bad light?

“I have no doubt that this was a prepared operation, probably by [the] US secret services," says Alexei Mukhin, director of the independent Center for Political Information in Moscow. “I find it improbable that US authorities couldn't deal with one guy (Mr. Assange) if they really wanted to. No, this is clearly being done as an instrument of destabilization," he says.

The most popular theory is that the massive outing of classified State Department communications is designed to make Obama look weak, inept, and unable to control his own government machinery.

“This will obviously damage Obama and his policies,” says Sergei Strokan, a foreign affairs columnist with the Moscow business daily Kommersant. “Obama made a strong emphasis on international affairs, outreach to the Muslim world, and resetting relations with Russia. These leaks show that many diplomats take a privately cynical view of those goals, or are actually working at cross purposes to them. All these disclosures will be a serious blow to America's new image in the world, and will only undercut Obama.”

www.csmonitor.com...

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Great find.
thanks