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The Federal Reserve is a lawful organization. WHAT?!

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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 12:07 PM
This thread is being brought about because of all the research I've done on the Fed lately.
And all the outrage that seems to be brought about with it.

Now, if a person searches they will find tons of threads on the Fed.
Here's just a few:

So, obviously this is an important subject here on ATS.

I figured I'd share some insight for those that are still scratching their collective heads about the Fed.

First, everyone seems to believe that the Federal Reserve in unconstitutional.
Well, I did too.
Until I read the Constitution again, and came across this statement:

"To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

Article 1 Section 8

Wait...what's that again?
They will make ALL the laws that will be necessary to execute powers or....coin currency.
In a nutshell.
SO if they created the Federal Reserve by passing a law that created the organization, it's legal.

And what did Congress do on the day before Christmas Eve in 1913?
The Federal Reserve Act of 1913
They created by law...the Federal Reserve.
This is the Central Bank that many of our forefathers warned us about.
Some people say it was never ratified by the majority of congress.
BUT IT'S STILL THE LAW NOW! (the public let that one slip by)

Ahh...a few of my favorite quotes by Thomas Jefferson:

"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied....I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies."

Jeffersons warnings about money and banks

A private central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army... We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. —


He was a smart man.

Where does this thread go?
I believe the Rothschilds are secretly funded by the Vatican, which is basically a new Rome, which secretly hates America.

The blunt reality is that the Rothschild banking dynasty in Europe was the dominant force, both financially and politically, in the formation of the Bank of the United States. — G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island, American Opinion Publishing, p. 331.


Aware that the Rothschilds are an important Jewish family, I looked them up in Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the title ‘Guardians of the Vatican Treasury’…. The appointment of Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church? — F. Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil, Harper Collins, page 160, 161


Well, in summation, I will just let the reader decide what to think.
Based on what I've read, scrolled through, or listened to, I come up with a good idea on what's happening.
The people who planned the Federal Reserve are extremely manipulative, intelligent, and corrupt men.
The Rothschilds wanted a central bank in America since its inception and if it wasn't for Andrew Jackson and his 1832 veto we would've had this a long time ago.
So they waited until another the Bankers panic in 1907, to draft another form of central banking.

It worked.

And we fell for it.
Hook, Line and Sinker.
Not only is it legal, but its a centralized bank.
With 1 Trillion in circulated notes, and 13 trillion in debt...
How do you think we can ever pay it off?
I'll give you a hint.
We are not supposed to be able to pay it off
Perpetual debt.
It keeps your sheep in check.
(and scared to revolt)
Think about it.
I'll bet 95% of the population won't quit their jobs to go march on DC and fire everyone.
They are scared that they will lose their house, car or debt!
Because the system was created to keep you in debt!

Has anyone wondered why you still pay for property after you purchase it?
Is it just me?
I thought once you bought something, its yours and you no longer have to pay for it.
Well, if you are a landowner in any sort, you would know that you pay taxes on property you own.
For life.
Because you never really own it.
And if you stop paying taxes on it.
They will take their property back.
Please tell me why we, the people, accept this as 'normal'?
Are we, collectively, that apathetic?
And I wonder why I detest sports, entertainment, and television. (and those people that worship it)
There are so many more things to be up-to-date on, and the public is only worried about the above topics.
Just like good sheep.

Check out this article from 1988 about a Phone call to the Fed
This country was in the back pockets of bankers since it's creation.

Keep Researching!

edit on 26-11-2010 by havok because: of editing errors

posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 12:30 PM
What would become of the Fed if we eliminated the need for money through overunity? That is our only recourse against Them. Bring the black ops info on devices that produce more energy than it takes to get them started, add effectively infinite supply of money (which is, in the final anaysis, an accounting of energy expended) by way of adding effectively infinite energy, and out the Fed goes - along with a hierarchical society, scarcity, slavery and taxes. Maybe even death.

To gain a view of how we can do this, please read my ebook linked in my sig. No money needed to read.

posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 12:49 PM
reply to post by Amaterasu

I concur, but I don't believe that enough people will agree.
The way I see it, the Fed is a machine in itself.
We keep feeding it, in the name of our 'Freedom'.
Which is merely a simple form of slavery.
Slaves to debt.

My solution?
It would be a massive undertaking, but first I would shutdown the 'global' idea.
Then focus on how we can sustain ourselves without shoveling our taxmoney to other countries.

Because face it, that is spreading the wealth and whether you like it or not.
Its socialism/communism.

Although on the other side of the coin...
There is a great scheme in the midst of all this.
It truly is good vs. evil.
It is global.
It is 'new'.
And we just fall in line.
Chasing the 'American dream'.

posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 12:55 PM
There are a few ways to look at it.

1) Church and state are separated. Money replaced God in the West. Therefore Money and state should be separate.

2) America was founded as a Judeo-Christian nation and Usury is a sin in the eyes of God the father. We are children of God which means there are no strangers to lend to.

3) The bill was never properly ratified so the Fed has been operating as an entity without legal right.

4) "Everything you do in life will be insignificant, but it's very important that you do it." - Ghandi. The question is what are we going to do as a nation?


posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:00 PM

Originally posted by havok
reply to post by Amaterasu

I concur, but I don't believe that enough people will agree.
The way I see it, the Fed is a machine in itself.
We keep feeding it, in the name of our 'Freedom'.
Which is merely a simple form of slavery.
Slaves to debt.

My solution?
It would be a massive undertaking, but first I would shutdown the 'global' idea.
Then focus on how we can sustain ourselves without shoveling our taxmoney to other countries.

Because face it, that is spreading the wealth and whether you like it or not.
Its socialism/communism.

Although on the other side of the coin...
There is a great scheme in the midst of all this.
It truly is good vs. evil.
It is global.
It is 'new'.
And we just fall in line.
Chasing the 'American dream'.

I see nothing wrong with taking a planetary perspective - as long as it is one that promotes humanity as Beings and not cattle, eliminates money and offers abundance for all. If we eliminate money, get ourselves off the grid via overunity devices, and work on solutions through the web, we strip Them of all power They presently have.

And we end up with choices for our lives we never had before.

posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 04:37 PM
This quote from President W. Wilson explains what it is:

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." — President Woodrow Wilson

This is what has to stop, and this is why the Federal Reserve must no longer be allowed to create money.

"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't]
support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his job." — Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The
issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to
whom it properly belongs." — Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

“The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it’s profits or so dependent on it’s favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.”
- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

“Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government’s institutions.
They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers”
– Congressional Record 12595-12603 – Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and
Currency June 10, 1932

“I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs….I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected. ”
- John Danforth (R-Mo)

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it’s issuance.
– James Madison

"The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform
Commercial Code)" — The Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966

For more quotes on the Federal Reserve by politicians and others who understand how this ponzi scheme really works:

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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 04:41 PM

Originally posted by havok
reply to post by Amaterasu

I concur, but I don't believe that enough people will agree.

This is why leaks such as those published by Wikileaks are so very important - it helps people to see more of the truth behind the lies.

posted on Nov, 27 2010 @ 10:57 PM
Good thread you've obviously done a little research. I agree that the Vatican and the World Bank essentially control almost the entire world except for a hand full of countries and Rothschild is defiantly a big name that is involved. However what the Federal Reserve is doing IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL but its not even in the aspect that a private company controls our nations currency. If you read through the whole constitution you would know that it also says

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
The Constitution for the United States of America; Article I Sec. 10.

This is a very important part of the constitution in every aspect but in specific were looking at the sentence that states nothing other than silver or gold can be used as a tender. Thus because the Federal Reserve has created a fiat currency that is based off of the future slave labor of the American Citizen which is unconstitutional. Also if you notice emitting bills of credit is also prohibited which is exactly what all the banks do every day via credit cards & loans and make a killing doing it. The federal reserve is also under direct control of the world bank/IMF which if you notice how many countries around the world use a fiat currency controlled by a private corporation which is involved with the IMF the picture begins to get very clear on whats going on. They attempted to conquer the world once in Rome by conquest and failed. They tried a second time through religion... The Roman Catholic Church aka The Holy Roman Empire; which also failed. Now the third time via banks, corporations and thus most of the politicians involved in the government. And through a very slow and gradual process that they've done while keeping people to busy doing pointless things or fighting against each other because of religion, race, sex, etc... Notice how after 9/11 that the government conveniently blamed Muslims for attacking America and now a lot of people you talk to have turned that into a hatred for Muslims creating more conflict between religions. People need to realize who they're real enemies are and stop being distracted with pure non sense.

posted on Nov, 28 2010 @ 01:25 AM
reply to post by havok

I'm glad to see you've finally realized the FED is entirely constitutional. However, how does an overwhelming majority in the house and a simple majority in the senate make a bill 'not ratified'? 27 non-votes does not mean it wasn't voted for or against by those 27. It just means they didn't take a side. This does still happen in congress.

I'd also like to ask you when has the United States, since it's inception, not been in debt? I especially look forward to your reply to this question.

posted on Nov, 28 2010 @ 03:58 AM
There has not ever been a vote by the full Congress to ratify The Federal Reserve and were told that they cannot do it ever. Hence how the American people have been under a debt moritorium for a few yrs now while we get a fix and handle on our finances.

posted on Nov, 28 2010 @ 05:00 AM
reply to post by havok

The Fed is not legal because article 1 section 8 says only congress has the power to COIN gold and silver.

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

The reason why "fix the Standard of Weights and Measures" appears in the same line as "coin Money, regulate the Value thereof" is because congress is responsible for setting the weight of gold to back each dollar.

Congress can not abdicate this responsibly to a private reserve bank. The constitution only grants Congress the authority to COIN money. If the congress wants anyone other than the congress to COIN money and regulate its value, a constitutional amendment must be passed.

Of course, the Fed doesn't COIN money at all, they PRINT money, which is explicitly forbidden from usage in article 1 section 10, where it says no state shall "make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts".

Thus, the Fed is unconstitutional, and hence, illegal, on several points.

As a thought exercise, if the congress decided it wanted to hand over the power of legislating law to the president, would you consider this to be constitutional?

If the congress passed a law that made the president a dictator, would that be constitutional?

Of course not, and neither is the Fed.

The congress does not have the power to grant other bodies its powers. It can not give them away. A constitutional amendment must be passed for that to happen.

For a full history of the Fed that discusses this, I recommend Rothbard's "The Case Against The Fed."

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