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Is it me or is the Canadian Pro-Israeli stance getting out of hand?

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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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i wouldn't call you an anti-semite. i just wish people could put more of the blame where it is deserved.
in my opinion the basis of your op is partially the truth.
no one ever wants to discuss the rest of the truth.
the truth being, that isreal is backed by many, including canada, there is more to zionism than just jewish support.
i started this thread and no one ever wants to discuss the issue.
without the support of christian zionists like harper, israel would back off a bit.
christian zionism




posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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I don't disagree with the Canadian Government on this.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by crmanagerI bet you would have NO PROBLEM with Mr. Harper saying "We will do anything to defend the Palestinians."


How about Harper just sticking with "We will do anything to defend the Canadians" or does that make too much sense?



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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yes RT Im gonna go and read your thread I didn't know it was there
the fifth colomn was deliberately created by scofield who was funded by the zionists of the day
he was one out and out con artist
so is it still democracy if mind control is applied to the voters to control their votes?

I have had to discuss this day in and day out with a fundie for 5 years
he has yet to prove a single statement he has made as credible...far from it, he is as deluded as it gets

Aeons, you are most certainly entitled to your opinion
but
will you volunteer for a front row seat?
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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How about Harper just sticking with "We will do anything to defend the Canadians" or does that make too much sense?


It would make way too much sense
. But we both know that nonsense seems to to be the new blue, has been for a long time now. I like how you put across your point of view , cheers
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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to the quote in your post not you *(your statement deserves stars)
mr harper has not said he will defend the PA nor will he so that is just plane hoax talk, and you have no i dea what people might say based on what will never happen
people who think they can read minds are generally regarded as "challenged"
That was PC enough of me not to be considered rood I hope
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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I think most Canadians when they read this cringed. But then again that happens whenever Comrade Harper opens his mouth.

As to calls of "haters" and "anti-semites", what is wrong with pointing out the criminal activity of the Israeli gov't? If one doesn't know the difference between them and Jews in general they need to do more research and not take the propaganda of Zionists at face value.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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and to be fair Intrepid I think the anti semitism talk is to stifle Jewish criticism too
so that they can not stand up if they disagree
they get labeled as self hating jews if they do
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
and to be fair Intrepid I think the anti semitism talk is to stifle Jewish criticism too
so that they can not stand up if they disagree
they get labeled as self hating jews if they do


Sad, isn't it? There are many that do though. Good on them.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by GirlGenius

Originally posted by crmanagerI bet you would have NO PROBLEM with Mr. Harper saying "We will do anything to defend the Palestinians."


How about Harper just sticking with "We will do anything to defend the Canadians" or does that make too much sense?


If only it was that simple. The problem is we are currently owned by too many other countries to simply do what is in our nation's best interests.

Imagine the state of the country if we could sell our oil to the highest bidder instead of practically giving it away to "friendly" countries. This also goes for grains, water, power, lumber, and just about any other natural resource we sell to our neighbors to the south for a fraction of what we could really get for it.

Our foreign policy seems to reflect this. If you are good customers we will support you in whatever stupid scheme you have.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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Many governments commit criminal acts. The U.S. government is almost entirely made up of criminal sociopaths. So our most of the governments in the world. They are lying, cheating, murdering and stealing all the time.

Israel is doing it. Syria is doing it. Iran is doing it. China is doing it. Hell, even Canada is doing it from time to time.

But for every one thread criticizing any number of different countries in the world for the bad things they do, there are two dozen threads criticizing Israel.

Are their crimes some how worse than those of other nations? What about Junta in Myanmar? What about the Sudanese government slaughtering civilians? What about Saudi Arabia promoting terror and not letting women drive? What about China executing human rights activists? What about the United States killing their own citizens just so they could start a war?

THIS is why I feel that the motivation for these types of threads is anti-semitism. Why pick on Israel more than other countries? Especially when it's not a cut and dry issue - there are different perspectives! Where's the different perspective on the actions of the Junta in Myanmar? There is none. People are getting murdered because they're tired of their military dictatorship. THAT's the kind of cut-and-dry issue that demands the sort of rhetoric and anger that instead gets projected against Israel - a state surrounded by avowed enemies dedicated to its destruction.

Instead, nope - ten more threads comparing Israel to the Nazis. Please. To even try and argue that anti-semitism is not the motivation for a majority of these threads is just obtuse, especially when anti-semitism is so prominent in conspiracy theories to begin with. The Jews did 9/11. The Jews control the U.S. (absurd) The Jews aren't really Jews. (one of my favorites) And anyone reading this crap should be able to tell pretty quickly what the real agenda is. It's not "truth" seeking - it's promoting hatred of Jews.

Oh, but that's right! You can simply substitute the word "Zionist" for Jew, and now you're no longer an anti-semite, you're an enlightened pc liberal academic filled with sorrow for the plight of the Palestinian people.

It's ludicrous! All of it! The amount of rhetoric spewed out about Israel on this website is monstrous. And it's completely out of proportion to anything at all. They get more attention than ANY OTHER country (U.S. aside) despite the fact that there are FAR MORE horrifying atrocities going on all sorts of other places in the world - including Muslim nations.

When someone starts a thread criticizing Israel's Muslim neighbors for their social policies, they're a biggot and fear monger. But when someone starts a thread equating Zionism with Nazism, and calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, they're somehow an enlightened truth seeker with nothing but love in their hearts.

And the fact that people don't see this incongruity is baffling to me. Critics of Israel on ATS massively outnumber its defenders, and yet they always come off as the underdogs. Comments like, "Careful starting a thread like this, Israel's trolls and disinfo agents will shout you down" are everywhere, but if you actually READ the threads, you see maybe one or two people defending Israel's right to self-defense, and dozens upon dozens of people chiming in to say that they too hate Israel, and Zionism is evil. And they STILL pretend that they're the oppressed minority.


I swear, ATS is THIS close to the point of no return. Before long it'll be just like rense.com - nothing but an out of control Jew-bashing website.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by RedBird
Why pick on Israel more than other countries? Especially when it's not a cut and dry issue - there are different perspectives! Where's the different perspective on the actions of the Junta in Myanmar? There is none.


Exactly my point but we have been lead to believe that Israel is snowy white in what they do. The HUGE amount of propaganda of the Zionists is why there is such backlash. Remember Newton's 3rd law, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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I have asked this previously during this thread. Please point out where anyone has "bashed Jews". My interpretation of this discussion is about Canada's governing party's support of Israeli criminal actions. I do agree with your view that there are many other countries that do similar things and do not get criticized as much. But let's get real... Israeli corruption affects world politics in a negative manner more than any other country on this planet. Most of the USA evil bidding is done on Israel's behalf. Just to clarify I said "Israel" not "Jews". We are speaking out against corrupt elected officials, not a religion. If Myanmar was influencing my country's course of political action you bet your butt I would be speaking out against that as well. I personally think the Junta needs to be removed from power as well.
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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But for every one thread criticizing any number of different countries in the world for the bad things they do, there are two dozen threads criticizing Israel.


I just got critisized the other day for every post I make being an america hater
cant have it both ways.
I'll use Micheal Churtoff as an example
They say he made a 350 million dollar deal for using the fake underwear bomber to justifiy installing kiddy porn machines all over the place, and they don't even stop bombers, and they were ordered a year ahead of that when he was head of DHS,,,

With all the debate here, it has barely even been mentioned, even just in passing, if at all, that that obvious fraudster is Jewish...would it be antisemitizm to ask what HE does with the nekkid kiddie skans that the machines weren't supposed to be able to save, but have in fact, been piling up on his desk?



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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PS
PS Intrepid, that was a very good point, I recall the same discredited threads being reposted again, and again, and again, during the flotilla fiasco, even after the israeli government had proved certain things faux we were bombarded with them as truth..



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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This is why i agree with Prime Minister Harper on the "Jewish" issue.

1. Jew -> slang for Juda ,one of a family of 12 members.
2. Isreal -> home to this family
3. Jerusalem-> home to the GOD of this family.
If u are part of this family, then u defend the family, if u are not then u are against this family and their GOD.

Simple.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
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yes RT Im gonna go and read your thread I didn't know it was there
the fifth colomn was deliberately created by scofield who was funded by the zionists of the day
he was one out and out con artist
so is it still democracy if mind control is applied to the voters to control their votes?

I have had to discuss this day in and day out with a fundie for 5 years
he has yet to prove a single statement he has made as credible...far from it, he is as deluded as it gets

Aeons, you are most certainly entitled to your opinion
but
will you volunteer for a front row seat?
edit on 26-11-2010 by Danbones because: (no reason given)


there's really nothing to read in my op i linked to.
i just laid out what christian zionism is, and how it's all really a visious circle.
my main point being, if an op is done mentioning jews and zionism, it goes on for pages.
if christian zionism and other topics concerning support of zionism are brought up no one discusses it.
i am a jew, i've been studying this topic for years and people need to know that they are supporting zionism whether they want to or not.
don't want to support zionism, then do not pay taxes, do not support any sort of evangelical church, do not....................



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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When you use the workd ZIONAZI, don't try to hide your anti-semtite prejudices. It doesn't work here anymore.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
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But for every one thread criticizing any number of different countries in the world for the bad things they do, there are two dozen threads criticizing Israel.


I just got critisized the other day for every post I make being an america hater
cant have it both ways.
I'll use Micheal Churtoff as an example
They say he made a 350 million dollar deal for using the fake underwear bomber to justifiy installing kiddy porn machines all over the place, and they don't even stop bombers, and they were ordered a year ahead of that when he was head of DHS,,,

With all the debate here, it has barely even been mentioned, even just in passing, if at all, that that obvious fraudster is Jewish...would it be antisemitizm to ask what HE does with the nekkid kiddie skans that the machines weren't supposed to be able to save, but have in fact, been piling up on his desk?






The only thing worse then your jew hating, conspiracy talk is your English. You can hate. Just don't get angry when you are called on it.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by crmanager

Originally posted by Danbones
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But for every one thread criticizing any number of different countries in the world for the bad things they do, there are two dozen threads criticizing Israel.


I just got critisized the other day for every post I make being an america hater
cant have it both ways.
I'll use Micheal Churtoff as an example
They say he made a 350 million dollar deal for using the fake underwear bomber to justifiy installing kiddy porn machines all over the place, and they don't even stop bombers, and they were ordered a year ahead of that when he was head of DHS,,,

With all the debate here, it has barely even been mentioned, even just in passing, if at all, that that obvious fraudster is Jewish...would it be antisemitizm to ask what HE does with the nekkid kiddie skans that the machines weren't supposed to be able to save, but have in fact, been piling up on his desk?






The only thing worse then your jew hating, conspiracy talk is your English. You can hate. Just don't get angry when you are called on it.


yup, and bush 2 was a christian, he was far more evil and did far more damage than chertoff could ever dream of doing.
bush gave chertoff his power, handed to him on a silver platter.
how about all the evil cheney did, going back even before being v.p.
oh he's a christian also.
shall i continue?









 
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