I hate the labels but in my view a pure libertarian should believe "No harm no crime" period! Also that the government has no business in anyone's life if they are not harming others, perhaps most notably with things like business, licensees, sex, drugs, abortion, etc.. Now of course in reality we have people at varying degrees of libertarianism as with other so called political philosophies. I know folks who claim to be libertarian who think it is Ok to steal my money in the name of doing good against my will because they think it pays for roads and stuff...

Today's neo-conservatives do not believe any of that they are fascist/socialist just like the so called left believing they have the right to use government to force others to thier political brand and differ only slightly from the so called left. Both believe it is OK to steal using government force to fund social programs of thier choosing. Both believe it is OK to spy on people against their will, both believe it is ok to legislate behaviour, speech, restrict travel, force people to buy certain goods and services like health care, take over private business etc etc etc... Again individuals are at varying degrees but essentially the legislators that end up on the hill pretty much act in unison in this respect.

PS you haven't done your homework on Ron Paul he is much more libertarian then you cast him. Most of what you said about him is false. But I don't care to argue it so won;t go into it.

He explained why he left the libertarian party several times. It has nothing to do with his views and everything to do with how government has established a two party framework that is nearly impossible to penetrate as a third party candidate.

He didn't leave the Libertarian Party. He left the Republican Party, joined the Libertarian Party, then left it and re-joined the Republican Party. My point is, Ron Paul was originally a Republican. Yes, Ron Paul has talked about the two-party debacle, and he has also talked about how it is nearly impossible for a third-party candidate to win. I concede that.

One that knows he'll never get elected running on a third party platform. Ron Paul's goal is to take over the republican party with libertarian candidates and return the republican party back to its earlier libertarian platform.

Ron Paul's goal is not to take over the republican party and replace it with libertarians. Sure, he wants the platform to be "liberty friendly," which, in many ways, is more libertarian. But it isn't libertarian. Just more libertarian. The republican party has become far too liberal, and it is true that the GOP was once a party that promoted smaller government, personal responsibility, and a stricter interpretation of the constitution. However, it was never a strictly libertarian platform.

Being a libertarian does not make one in favor of abortion. Ron Paul is against the State's use of capital punishment. Ron Paul is also for open borders AFTER the socialist welfare state has been deconstructed. And the "we the people act" is a pure libertarian 10ther piece of legislation.

It is very true that being a libertarian does not make one in favor of abortion, and that was probably something I should have left out of my argument. Ron Paul is against funding state capital punishment, but has said that he believes it to be a reasonable punishment for those who commit serious crimes like murder. I have never heard that Ron Paul plans on opening the boarders. The We the People Act was flawed for many reasons, one of which was that it removed the ability of a federal court to hear cases that arose from state or federal violations of religious freedom. Also, are you, a staunch anti neo-conservative (as am I) going to tell me that a bill cosponsored by such individuals like John Sullivan and Tom Tancredo is totally libertarian?



I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. I respect your positions, and I hope you feel the same way about mine. From your avatar, I noticed that you are an Anarcho-Capitalist, and that's awesome (I toe the line with that position, myself... maybe I'll be converted someday). I love Murray Rothbard, and I have studied Austrian Economics for pleasure. F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" was one of the greatest, and oddly most beautiful books I have ever read.

You think Ron Paul is libertarian, and I think Ron Paul is kinda libertarian. Whatever. I'm sure we can both agree that he has done many great things for this county, and the fact that he has inspired so many people will go a long way in saving this sinking nation.

Libertarians
believe that religion has no place in government
illegal must be shipped home
That homeowner have the right to be well armed and criminals have no right once the enter someone elses home to commit a crime.
The no one should be required to get a license to be able to work a trade. Word of mouth or the courts will weed out the bad or criminal trades people.
People credit record should not be used by any company for hiring. Same with there medical records.

Conservatives.
Companies can hire based on religion.
illegal need only be shipped home if they can not be used for cheap labor.
Companies are always right and can hire anyone they want based on health records, credit record ECT ECT that have nothing to do with how the do the job or there skills.
People can own guns but must registrar them.

Democrats.
No guns you must invite criminal into your home so they can take anything they want.
Illegals can be good voters for the democrat and need ether good high paying jobs that they are not skilled for or given free money for not working and committing crimes.
Must be union to get hired at a job with good wages so that your union dues can be used to support democrats getting elected. (union full employment act)
only unions may bid for government jobs.(union full employment act)
If not payed good wages then people should not have to work.
People should not have to work if they don't want to they should be able to sponge off of everyone else but democrats.
All people and companies that work or make products pollute EXCEPT those that are union or run by democrats. All companies (except democrat run. union)must be fined or regulated out of the country the fines will be used to support these that feel they are to good to work.
(environment lawyers full employment act)
Lawyers should be able to sue anyone anytime with no cause as long as they are not democrats, environmentalist or union members. Everyone else is fair game. (lawyer full employment act)

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I have always wondered what the difference was between libertarians and conservatives.

There is no difference between them. Well, to be exact: there is no any difference that will lead to any unwanted change.
Those are positional criteria of thinking: the position (left of right) will always lead to the same result.
All other things - fiction - schiza - simulacrums.