posted on Nov, 25 2010 @ 06:49 AM
I try to stay away from these discussions because in the end, there will always be sides taken and no matter what is said, no one can ever agree, even
I know how the land was given to the Jews in WWII. But I have to say this...
In america, we're constantly bashed over the issue of taking native land away from the natives. After killing these guys off for so many years, we
decided to give them chunks of land here and there. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but I do feel that since this is the United States, we
shouldnt have a division of people here. It causes strife b/w the peoples because they are alowed to do on their land whatever they feel, yet
americans are not. i.e. Casino's. But many will say that we should butt out and let them do whatever they wish since it is there land now and as
americans, we hold no claim over what little territory we've given them, yet the rest of the country is made up of people from all over the world.
Why not include native americans? Should this be a divided country? Eventually it will cause the same kind of problems we see in the middle east
because as diffrent beliefs are concerned, it's usually quiet and calm when you have people of all beliefs in one country, but put a dividing line
between them, give land to each of them and call it seperate and see just what kind of problems you will have. It's kinda like telling muslims in
the US that they can kill their wifeS for looking at a man or refusing marriage, but for the rest of the country, it's forbidden to have more than
one wife and you cant touch her without going to prison.
Now... I know I seemed to go off topic there but it was important.
In the case of Israel and the Jews... Those people had been there throughout time. Sure they took the land from other nations thousands of years ago,
but the whole world has done the same to one nation or another countless times through the centuries. Fast forward to the present and we stll do the
same. Israel had been owned and controled by the Jews untill one nation or another took them out and made them prisoner. Persia, Rome, ect ect.
Every time they end up going back to their land, and every time they are taken away. Now, they're back there... We've given them their land, just
as we had done to the native americans, and as the same, we gave them only a fragment of what they owned before. At the time and all througout time,
that land has been occupied by NOMADS, roaming arabs. Sure, the arabs call the land sacred, we call it sacred, jews call it home. To these people,
they're simply taking back what they feel they own.
The same would apply if we gave american natives artillary, tanks, weapons of mass destruction... Do you think that they would not band together
eventually and try to take back what they feel in their hearts is theirs? Would they be wrong for trying? No!
Whoever says that the Jews did not once own that land is just as missinformed as they claim others are. History, undeniable history tells us that
they did indeed live there. Archeology is showing almost daily that there is STRONG evidence that this is so. Deny that they owned it when the
romans occupied it 2000 years ago!
Fast forward to WWII. Hitler damn near wipped them off the face of the earth because they happen to be more profitable than his own people. The
bible even shows that these people were the money smart people of the earth, yet I understand where many here would not even think twice about this
notion. So, if you went to school and became a banker and became VERY smart with your money... Eventually you became a millionate yet someone wanted
to take that from you. Is that right? No... So why would there be hatred about them if they owned all the financial stable and growing businesses in
a country? Because someone else that wanted it didnt have it! Sad.. Very sad. You see where this is going?
So we give them, the few left of that people, the land they they themselves believed was theirs. So what? There was no established country there.
It was full of nomadic wanderers. There was no established civilization there. if there were, I'm sure the powers that be wouldnt have given it to
them. Thats like saying, Hey poland.. We're taking your land and giving it to the Jews, even though you are already a country and established as a
What do muslims control as countries now? The WHOLE middle east. Jews control a country thats no bigger than an average american state! Yet the
palistinians, which have their own country, are the same people who own the rest of the middle east, even through they belong to various factions.
Jews arnt stopping them from worshiping there. They just want the land that is theirs to do with as they as a unified people wish to do. They are
not blocking christans from israel, even though christians are completely opposite of what they believe in. They arnt stopping muslims from worship
and being there. They just want those people to stop blowing up clubs, stores, and anything else that holds hundreds of Jews in one place.
Take Israel and make it your hometown and put yourself in their shoes while someone steps in and trys to wrench it from you. What will you do? What
steps would you take to stop it? What endgame will you plan to finaly have peace in your home town?
All I see is hatred here, for one side or the other. What I dont see if a logical descussion as to why, or offer steps on how to resolve it.
Everything ends with Take this from them or blow up that or riot this or they did this, the bastards! The only true conspiracy here is in our hearts,
on this matter. We're so quick to condem one or the other, but no one bothers to look at the much deeper, bigger picture. All I see is what is to
come with it... Alot of dead PEOPLE... Jews.. Muslims.. Christians.. tourists.. People!
Sure, Israel's govenment may pull some pretty shady acts of violence, but as I mentioned above... If you feel it's your home.. wouldnt you? The
muslims are doing the exact same thing. They feel it is their home too, but their govenment heads are making up lies to push the cituation into
something far worse. It doesnt involve just Israel anymore.. It involves the whole world and whoever stands against the muslims pay for it with
destruction on their home soil! We have seen this. We know this. It still continues to happen. Americans are threatened every single day because
of it. Now even amoung our own people, we divide ourselves and spew waste in each others faces because we fight for one side or the other. Just as
the rest of the world, we take sides for what we feel is right, but no one seems to act civil and have real descussions about it. We rather put
people down that we do not understand. Walk in their shoes a while and live through what they lived though...
But i guess that wont happen because even though the terrors did exist in the lives of the jews through out time, even in WWII, many will deny it
because they are ignorant and they wish to know the truth nor do they even care. When people say, there was no holocost, I laugh. It was as real as
Hitler. Just because it happen half a century ago, we forget, because we dont read. We just take an iranian dictatoring idiot's word for it.
Jeeze people. Educate yourself then educate one another. Dont just say... "You're missinformed and you're an idiot". Its those same people who
themselves are missinformed. This is where conspiracies rise from. We forget history and rely on someone elses word untill we loose sight of the
truth. Then it becomes a bloody conspiracy.
Besides.. They're all the same people. Both cultures believe this. Seperated histories ago. Makes me wonder why, since both people believe they
were brothers once, how in the hell did their beliefs turn out so diffrent!?!
(ok... my last post about Israel.. I know the truth.. If anyone else wishes to blind themselves from it, so be it.. If you wish to learn, there is
ALOT of documented history out there. Arm yourself with it!)