I have returned! Judgement Day comes for all people on earth.

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I don't believe that you addressed my post. While I don't mind if you do, I suppose that is appropriate that others see your inability to breakdown pride and chaos (decay/sin) and how they proceed from the children of darkness and also how they surround, but do not enter into the children of life.

I am open to correction, but I am certain, at this time, that your words are not from my father.

Unless you have something to say that is wise and filled with life, I will be content to ignore your spiritual tantrum.

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Originally posted by unknown32
God is a loving GOD. He will not do anything to harm us, its our choices in our own free will that harm us.

Really? It never fails to amaze my that Christians do not read the very book they preach from and believe in.
God is a "Loving God?"
He created evil (Lam. 3:38, Jer. 26:3, 36:3, Ezek. 20.:25-26, Judges 9:3, 1 Sam.
He deceived (Jer. 4:10, 15:18, 20:7, 2 Chron. 18:22, Ezek. 14:9, 2 Thess.
2:9-12)
He rewarded liars (Ex. 1:15-20)
He ordered men to become drunken (Jer. 25:27)
He delivered a man, Job, into Satan's hands (Job 2:6)
He spread dung on people's faces (Mal. 2:3)
He had a temper (Deut. 13:17, Judges 3)
He was often jealous (Deut. 5:9, 6:15)
He sanctioned slavery (Ex. 21:20-21, Deut. 15:17)
He punished a bastard for being illegitimate (Deut. 23:2)
Does this SOUND like a loving GOD?

God will not harm us, you say?
He ordered the taking of a harlot (Hosea 1:2, 3:1-2)
He killed outright (Num. 16:35, 21:6, Deut. 32:39, 1 Sam. 2:26, Psalm 135:10)
He ordered killing (Lev. 26:7-8, Num. 25:4-5)
He sanctioned slavery (Ex. 21:20-21, Deut. 15:17)
He punished children for the sins of their fathers (Ex. 12:29, 20:5, Deut. 5:9)
He supported human sacrifice (Ex. 22:29-30, Ezek. 20:26)
He ordered cannibalism (Lev. 26: 29, Jer. 19:9)
He demanded virgins as a part of war plunder (Num. 31:31-36)
He sanctioned violation of the enemy's women (Deut. 21:10-14)
He excused the beating of slaves to death (Ex. 21:20-21)
He required a woman to marry her rapist (Deut. 22:28:29)
He excused a murderer and promised his protection (Gen. 4:8-15)
He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law (Gen.
38:9-10)
Does this SOUND like a God that would not hurt you?

When are the Christians of the world going to set down and read that book they are preaching from? When will the truth rear it's ugly head about who the God of he Bible really is? Sorry for the rant, this is a sore subject for me.

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Hey OP.

Best of luck to you, but be careful who you disclose this stuff to, as people fear what they don't understand, and attack what they fear.

As a registered psychiatric nurse, I feel compelled to urge you to see your doctor or some sort of mental health specialist and discuss what is happening, just to rule out any illness that could deteriorate and cause you suffering.

As an open minded man, I feel compelled to draw others attention to the concepts of 'Interactionism' and 'Labeling Theory', both of which argue that society will automatically label all behaviour that exists outside of our accepted and understood idea of 'normal' as 'deviant' or 'mental illness'.
(I don't have any links, sorry.)

To the OP...

Thank you for your post...i found it very interesting.

Judging by the contempt shown to you...i would say your message sailed over their heads.
I am sorry that you have been treated so shabbily, thank you for the effort.

It's a book, written by....................

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Great post, oh how nice it might be if Christians, or Jews, or Muslims actually read their scriptures!

Makes me think of John Lennon, "Imagine"...Sadly, that's all we can do, because billions of people on this planet will continue to be led along by the nose, no matter who it hurts.

JR

I'd like to take a moment to address both the posters in this thread and the OP.

Firstly, OP, you're coming off as a lunatic one way or the other. Either you're insane and have had an 'episode', or your are COMPLETELY LEGIT, a messenger of God, and have decided to post your knowledge in a world wide forum of the hardest critics on Earth with the expectation that we'd take your information to heart immediately.

I know that some of the posts in your thread have been hard-hammering and there have been a few issues where the decorum requirements have been violated, but you can't take it personally. Everyone here has their own knowledge to share. Not every one is going to fall in line and attempt to grasp your ideas.

I appreciate the original post greatly, as this thread has been entertaining. Some of us have been accused of judging you, and that is an accurate accusation. We all judge others in one form or another. I couldn't make a lot of sense out of what you originally wrote and you've done little to clarify it. You didn't want us thinking you were mad, but haven't exactly gone out of your way to sway us to the contrary. I was very much hoping you would do exactly that. If you were an angel, or messenger of God, or wired differently than the rest of us, it's a pretty logical assumption that you aren't going to make much sense. So to some degree, I take what you have said as a want-to-be believer.

To the responders in this thread. Don't call someone nuts if you don't have a legitimate reason to do so, and if you DO call them nuts, at least be polite about it. For those of you calling for the thread to be locked.... Why? This site is for entertainment. If this thread has risen to the top of the board, killing it would kind of defy the function of the site. We're interested. We're posting. And I've seen a few folks I respect from OTHER fields in this one. This gives us a place to cross over into common territory and discuss things we wouldn't normally weigh in on. And to those of you judging the rest of us for being, ironically, judgmental... WHY?! It is the nature of Man to judge. We weigh ourselves against the words, actions, and ideas of others. We find commonalities and differences in everything about ourselves and either rebuke each other for them, or celebrate each other for them. Either way, if we didn't judge each other and judge ourselves against others, what would we be? Trees with legs and opposable thumbs.

I can understand provoking the Original Poster. If we don't challenge the ideas he puts forth, there's really no point of calling this a Conspiracy forum. Even religion can be neatly tucked under the umbrella of Conspiracy. I've actually seen some incredibly insightful posts both for and against the original post and have starred them. I've also flagged this thread because I'd like other people to weigh in on it. Given the number of responses, I'm shocked at the appalling lack of flags and stars. If the thread interests you enough to post 11 pages worth of responses, wouldn't it be a good idea to bring other's attention here to enjoy what you have?

OP: Good on you for posting up. I'm sorry your second post didn't get as much attention and I'd look forward to hearing more from you. Your posts are consistent with other posts in different threads, and consistency is lacking on ATS at times. I had hoped you would post more details about your situation and ours and the yummy goodness that is the FRESH and NEW. Yes, we get a lot of would-be prophets here, but rarely do we get anyone this far 'out-there'. People are correcting your spelling (which even I am wont to do...), they are correcting your Biblical knowledge, and challenging your stances. Is it possible that those who are challenging your Biblical knowledge have faults in their own information? Are we misinformed? Your response somewhere around page 9 says basically "Well, I've said what I'm gonna... good luck to you all." Perhaps you can explain that? Why are you bailing on this thread without rising to the the occassion? You posted in good faith. A great number of people here did as well. Don't let the naysayers turn you off. Star the posts you like, respond to them. Also, you said we'd be seeing massive changes in the Earth as if we weren't already seeing them. Are you expecting something more drastic?

POSTERS: Thanks for joining us! I've really enjoyed this thread. If you don't like it, don't read it, don't subscribe to it and certainly don't post in it. If you DO, remain with the OP and debate as ATSers are expected to.

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Do you know when the " Judgement day " comes ? I mean is it in 2012 or so ? Oh, im new, and sorry for my english ^^ I'm from denmark

To be fair to the OP, I think Jesus would have come across as a bit 'mental' himself and I'm not sure how we'll recognise the latest incarnation of the saviour. If the OP has suddenly become aware of his holy duty and has had a sudden and enormous conciousness expansion, then I would imagine he would be fairly confused and traumatised.

If you are He OP, then welcome back. If you're not, then I hope you'll be all right, I certainly don't detect any dark agenda in your post.

Originally posted by JR MacBeth
reply to post by autowrench

 

Great post, oh how nice it might be if Christians, or Jews, or Muslims actually read their scriptures!

Makes me think of John Lennon, "Imagine"...Sadly, that's all we can do, because billions of people on this planet

I don't think Lennon was asking them to read their scriptures in 'Imagine'. In fact he was dreaming of a world devoid of religion.

Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

IRM

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I don't think Lennon was asking them to read their scriptures in 'Imagine'. In fact he was dreaming of a world devoid of religion.

Yeah, no doubt. I was responding to autowrench, and if I read his post right, that was also his point.

In other words, "if" these religious folks ever actually read their scriptures (and obviously they don't), then the world would soon be devoid of religion.

Alas, I think all we can do is "imagine." Apparently, the most vile things can be found in these "sacred" books, and yet, the churches, mosques and synagogues will still be full...

What does this say about humanity?

JR

You are correct, JR MacBeth, that was exactly my point. If every Christian did in fact read the entire bible, and not just a sentence here and there, and if they used a good Concordance and a Root Word Dictionary, or even online resources...
www.macroevolution.net...
www.laits.utexas.edu...
then many of them, a majority, would very quickly leave the Church and call the preacher a liar to his/her face. Even read first hand the book is full of murder, incest, rape, pillaging, torture....not fit for human consumption.

After the prospective Christian has been lured in by hope, they are
driven further in by fear. The refined effects of fear finally becomes a trap
in which that fear, of damnation, becomes part of the horrid result of
questioning one's new faith. Fear is the key that fits the lock on the
Christian's heart.

The more orthodox, or fundamental the Christian's
faith, the more this is true. But the fear is almost universally denied by
Christians. They cannot admit this fear to themselves for to admit it is to
be unsure of one's salvation, a sin. If it weren't for biblical fear the
fantastic and unreal hope would soon loose its ability to create an emotional
fix. Like any addiction, it's not so much that one feels better with the drug
than that one feels terrible without it.

Sadly, I have yet to meet a practising Christian who has done this, and it makes me wonder.....is this why I was told as a child never to question the Word of God?
Well, I did question, in fact, I question everything.

I personally think John Lennon had it right....

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
(John Lennon)

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But the fear is almost universally denied by
Christians. They cannot admit this fear to themselves for to admit it is to
be unsure of one's salvation, a sin. If it weren't for biblical fear the
fantastic and unreal hope would soon loose its ability to create an emotional
fix. Like any addiction, it's not so much that one feels better with the drug
than that one feels terrible without it.

Sadly, I have yet to meet a practising Christian who has done this, and it makes me wonder.....is this why I was told as a child never to question the Word of God?
Well, I did question, in fact, I question everything.

You have a keen understanding of this issue, and my experience agrees completely with what you have shared.

There is something very much like "addiction" going on in the typical religious experience, as you point out. I have certainly spent time speaking of these things, especially the "fear factor" that relegates most victims of religion to the status of a battered spouse (psychologically). No, not all religions are equally bad, but the vast majority seem to operate using obvious psychological control methods that very much resemble garden-variety "abuse".

But just as the abused can often never escape their tormentor, the same with religious people who can not bear the idea that they are risking "hell", and refuse to even consider alternate ways of thinking.

I think you hit in on the head when you express sadness in looking out upon all this. Most of us have gone through experiences, and have "earned" where we are today, but that's nothing compared to the sadness we may feel for those left behind. Many of us have family members who are victims of religion, and it does seem hopeless at times.

But my experience has pushed me to "fight back", and as a result I try and share the message, write about what I have learned, trying to alert people to the fact that religion is one of the ways our masters have controlled people for thousands of years.

It's an especially important field today since I believe that our masters have created a "perfect" religion for their slaves, one that may not be as easy to emerge from, as Christianity is, or the various well-known "faiths" of today. It's alarming to think that someone is "diabolical" enough to even want to create the perfect "cage" for the human mind (and dare I say, "spirit"?), and yet it is a real risk, one that threatens our grandchildren, if our masters have their way.

JR

All of you have deserved the right to question me and answer me!

All people on earth have worked in there particular line of work assisting humanity to where we are today. The sooner we all appreciate the work all of us have done for each other and think as one, we can move forward without war and aggression.

As I have stated before, Yes religions have caused wars because every religion has their own interpretation on life. The common thread is positive thinking, using our emotions of heart & soul. Our spirit is precious.

We are all family, some will accept this and others will reject it. This is life. We all make mistakes in life lets just make amends for future generations and species. Under the current line of thought, man will attack when confronted with the unknown. Mainly because we all think differently. If we think the same. As others have stated, as John Lennon said " Imagine"

I have though of coming out to the public in person. This would only see me killed like Jesus under the current branch of thinking. He was killed by the Romans for exactly the same reason.

You all have my love! Even the people who know who I am and have attempted to derail my agenda. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

From the beginning we supported each other as a pack to assist the pack. A man or women would die for their young and group to survive. We have achieved so much over time with this mindset.

I'm no genius, just a man like all of you. We are all precious in positive energy!

I will attempt to get ATS to repost my letter which was posted. They stated they do not like copy and paste for a thread because it was found else where on the net. This is because this site was not the first the letter was sent too.

Originally posted by Arrowmancer
I'd like to take a moment to address both the posters in this thread and the OP.

Firstly, OP, you're coming off as a lunatic one way or the other. Either you're insane and have had an 'episode', or your are COMPLETELY LEGIT, a messenger of God, and have decided to post your knowledge in a world wide forum of the hardest critics on Earth with the expectation that we'd take your information to heart immediately.

I know that some of the posts in your thread have been hard-hammering and there have been a few issues where the decorum requirements have been violated, but you can't take it personally. Everyone here has their own knowledge to share. Not every one is going to fall in line and attempt to grasp your ideas.

I appreciate the original post greatly, as this thread has been entertaining. Some of us have been accused of judging you, and that is an accurate accusation. We all judge others in one form or another. I couldn't make a lot of sense out of what you originally wrote and you've done little to clarify it. You didn't want us thinking you were mad, but haven't exactly gone out of your way to sway us to the contrary. I was very much hoping you would do exactly that. If you were an angel, or messenger of God, or wired differently than the rest of us, it's a pretty logical assumption that you aren't going to make much sense. So to some degree, I take what you have said as a want-to-be believer.

To the responders in this thread. Don't call someone nuts if you don't have a legitimate reason to do so, and if you DO call them nuts, at least be polite about it. For those of you calling for the thread to be locked.... Why? This site is for entertainment. If this thread has risen to the top of the board, killing it would kind of defy the function of the site. We're interested. We're posting. And I've seen a few folks I respect from OTHER fields in this one. This gives us a place to cross over into common territory and discuss things we wouldn't normally weigh in on. And to those of you judging the rest of us for being, ironically, judgmental... WHY?! It is the nature of Man to judge. We weigh ourselves against the words, actions, and ideas of others. We find commonalities and differences in everything about ourselves and either rebuke each other for them, or celebrate each other for them. Either way, if we didn't judge each other and judge ourselves against others, what would we be? Trees with legs and opposable thumbs.

I can understand provoking the Original Poster. If we don't challenge the ideas he puts forth, there's really no point of calling this a Conspiracy forum. Even religion can be neatly tucked under the umbrella of Conspiracy. I've actually seen some incredibly insightful posts both for and against the original post and have starred them. I've also flagged this thread because I'd like other people to weigh in on it. Given the number of responses, I'm shocked at the appalling lack of flags and stars. If the thread interests you enough to post 11 pages worth of responses, wouldn't it be a good idea to bring other's attention here to enjoy what you have?

OP: Good on you for posting up. I'm sorry your second post didn't get as much attention and I'd look forward to hearing more from you. Your posts are consistent with other posts in different threads, and consistency is lacking on ATS at times. I had hoped you would post more details about your situation and ours and the yummy goodness that is the FRESH and NEW. Yes, we get a lot of would-be prophets here, but rarely do we get anyone this far 'out-there'. People are correcting your spelling (which even I am wont to do...), they are correcting your Biblical knowledge, and challenging your stances. Is it possible that those who are challenging your Biblical knowledge have faults in their own information? Are we misinformed? Your response somewhere around page 9 says basically "Well, I've said what I'm gonna... good luck to you all." Perhaps you can explain that? Why are you bailing on this thread without rising to the the occassion? You posted in good faith. A great number of people here did as well. Don't let the naysayers turn you off. Star the posts you like, respond to them. Also, you said we'd be seeing massive changes in the Earth as if we weren't already seeing them. Are you expecting something more drastic?

POSTERS: Thanks for joining us! I've really enjoyed this thread. If you don't like it, don't read it, don't subscribe to it and certainly don't post in it. If you DO, remain with the OP and debate as ATSers are expected to.

Arrow

Arrow,

I thank you for your support! You have great faith and spirit which is the making of a great person.

You have words of wisdom as well which more people should pay attention too.

To answer your question earlier. Yes, there will be natural events coming to mankind which will cause havoc at first.

Watch for a Earthquake early next year which will cause a major volcanic eruption.

I would also like to thank each and every one of you! All law abideing citizens who have created this energy.

I have had an incredible amount of energy pass through me and succeeded. You all can do the same!

People have attacked me on all fronts and this hurts me the most as I only did it for all of you. Espesially when you feel compassion, love, faith and are positive.

Yes, doing this changed my actions at times because I was fighting the ultimate negative energy that excists.

Mangod is the Beast from the bottomless pit. 50% good (Positive), 50% bad (Nagative). God is our experiences of life in learning which is 10% negative and 90% positive and spiritual energy. Two witnesses will arrive and speak the word of God. All judges need witnesses to complete a court of law.

God Bless you ALL!