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Topic started on 1-7-2004 @ 12:29 PM by pushkin

read and look about new ideas to build base on mars in this site www.marshome.org...

reply posted on 1-7-2004 @ 12:42 PM by iceofspades

It would help people respond if you would write a quick summary of the article.

reply posted on 1-7-2004 @ 12:53 PM by pushkin

Possible Construction Materials:

Fiberglass (locally produced)
Metallurgy (all types of metals)
Polymers (such as polyethylene made from ethylene from CO2)
Brick Masonry (either for unpressurized shelter, or covered with regolith for a pressurized space)
Plant Products (especially if a byproduct of food growth.)

Disciplines:

Materials Engineering
Structural Engineering
Mechanical Engineering
Architectural
Nutrition
Electrical
Data Management / Telecommuncations
Spacesuit Design
Mars Geology & Topography
Systems Integration
and many other relevant trades and skills...

The initial goal for the Mars Homestead Project is to identify the core technologies needed for an economical, growing Mars Base built primarily with local materials.
While want to entertain all ideas and don't want to be locked up into using specific materials too early, some of the materials we will probably consider are: locally produced fiberglass - wound on site; metals; masonry - either for unpressurized shelter or covered with regolith to hold the pressure, polyethylene & other polymers made from ethylene from the CO2; and any plant products - especially if a byproduct of food growth.

And some ideas to build new homes from Bricks:

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 05:53 PM by FreeMason

All of that requires heavy machinery to accomplish, and that is something just not feasible so far away. Opperating heavy machinery on earth is hard enough without a pressurized suit and so much dust and so far away from re-supply.

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 06:04 PM by spacedoubt

Machinery can be operated remotely.
Look at the Current Rover missions.

Automated factories can be built. Only minor human intervention.

Larger "Mars Moving" machinery can be sent, parts at a time, and assembled
RE-MOTE-LY.

Humans may be dumb, be we aren't stupid...

never say never

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 06:05 PM by FreeMason

The rovers weigh like 80 lbs, if even that. I'm talking about heavy machinery (several tons to several hundred tons).

We can not opperate such equipment there, not for a very long time.

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 06:32 PM by namehere

Originally posted by FreeMason
All of that requires heavy machinery to accomplish, and that is something just not feasible so far away. Opperating heavy machinery on earth is hard enough without a pressurized suit and so much dust and so far away from re-supply.

you realise things weigh one-third less on mars than earth dont you?

eg 1,000lbs on earth is 377lbs on mars.

[edit on 12-7-2004 by namehere]

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 06:37 PM by spacedoubt

Remember,
Mars is 1/4 gravity of earth..
Heavy machinery, may not have to be SO heavy, to lift the lighter loads.
Pushing things around might be a different story.

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 06:44 PM by cmdrkeenkid

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Remember,
Mars is 1/4 gravity of earth..
Heavy machinery, may not have to be SO heavy, to lift the lighter loads.
Pushing things around might be a different story.

on mars things would be easy to move around, but what about getting those things there? sending them as one wouldn't be effecient, and sending them in pieces would be about the same effeciency. in short, there's no easy was to send the machinery there and get it working. i'm pretty sure that that was FreeMason's point.

[edit on 7/12/2004 by cmdrkeenkid]

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 07:16 PM by Xeven

With more gravity these guys built these without heavy machinery.

eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

compare those to the city near by were they did use heavy machinery to make the city.

We only need to burrow underground no need for stuctures above ground. Then all you need is ability to make roofs and dig holes... If you need to seal it some light weight chemical compounds can be sprayed on rock layers etc.. to create air tight seal.

X

reply posted on 12-7-2004 @ 07:22 PM by spacedoubt

cmdrkeenkid,
Yeah, I agree that it's an expensive proposition..It's just not impossible!

Xeven,

Good point..Although, they did hire a lot of FreeMasons to get the job done.

reply posted on 13-7-2004 @ 01:30 AM by gemron

Actually all we need to colonize Mars is some Duct tape to repair the Domes on mars and a Broadband Connection.

reply posted on 13-7-2004 @ 01:37 AM by FreeMason

Xeven, that took 70 years to build about, and are not "air-tight". Nor spacious. Learn to stay in context...we also build igloos...

reply posted on 13-7-2004 @ 02:13 AM by ShadowXIX

I like the concept of using Materials found on sight. I think that it might be the future of space colonies. When people came to the new world they did not bring the materials to build their house with them they built it with what they found when they got there. Be it trees or mudbricks stone whatever they had to use. I think to make use of whatever we find can be a great help

reply posted on 13-7-2004 @ 06:22 AM by Xeven

Originally posted by FreeMason
Xeven, that took 70 years to build about, and are not "air-tight". Nor spacious. Learn to stay in context...we also build igloos...

Freemason
Learn to read entire posts..

"If you need to seal it, some light weight chemical compounds can be sprayed on rock layers etc.. to create air tight seal."

Are we on some timeline to colonize mars? 70 years is barely enough time to get a few ships out that far.

X

reply posted on 13-7-2004 @ 02:38 PM by UnusualMe

Colonizing Mars will seem like alot less effort when we get the space elevator working. There are threads about that speccled around.

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