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Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Originally posted by Advantage
. "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger"
But that passage is still calling Allah "god" so arent we pretty much back to square one?
Originally posted by Advantage
Well, nit-picking seems to be the flavor of the day recently, and I hate to do this.. really.. but Allah isnt another term for God when referencing it within the Koran. "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger" .This signifies that this God is above all others and all others are false. Now it is true that Christian arabs and Jewis h arabs use the term Allah in reference to their god, but when quoting or dealing with the Koran, you need to realize that its very clear about just who Allah is and isnt in that context. You will also read propaganda .. pretty clever too.. about Allah being the same God as the god of Moses. All this means is that the Christian God does not exist and Allah is the one true god. That the god of the christians and jews is a false god. WHen you read this all it means is that your bible is wrong and your beliefs mark you as the infidel only deserving of death for being an abhorrent thing in Allahs eyes, your only choice is to accept the Allah who's messenger is Muhammad of the Koran.
Get it? I dont dislike Muslims any more than I dislike Christians or Jews.. so forget that argument. Im pointing out the contextual truth concerning the usage of the work Allah when specifically quoting or dealing the Koran and Islam.
Yes, its nitpicky and silly, but very important at the same time.
Originally posted by Advantage
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Originally posted by Advantage
. "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger"
But that passage is still calling Allah "god" so arent we pretty much back to square one?
Nope. Im sorry, I cant make it any clearer than I have. Maybe someone with more skill in breaking it down will come along. The religion is monotheistic, but the belief is polytheistic. There are several gods and Allah is the only true god. Youre reading it with a western perspective.
Originally posted by acmpnsfal
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Question I keep seeing the pole shift mentioned over and over and over. And I understand the basic mechanics behind it but something is confusing me. Maybe you guys could clear it up for me. About 10 years ago, I was watching a special on a show called Nova (a science show that comes on pbs) about the upcoming pole shift. This is way before the idea was so mainstream. But anyways, in this program they said we were overdue for a pole shift and that it is a process. The beginning is the weakening of the current magnetic poles, which has already been seen. Then they went on to say one day the magnetic poles would just dissapear all together. During this time the scientists on the program said that we would be more susceptible to solar radiation, the incidences of cancer would increase, and the night sky would be really beautiful pretty much anywhere despite light radiation. And then one day the poles would reappear, reversed. So my question is, where does the idea come from that it would be an instant change?
Originally posted by dbloch7986
The magnetic poles are where the are because of the rotation of the solid iron core in the center of the planet. If the magnetic poles weakened or disappeared it would be due to the slowing or stopping of the rotation of the core. If you can think of a force powerful enough to step in the way of the massive inertia of the planet earth I am all ears. Likewise the rotation of the core of the earth would have to reverse to reverse the poles. Either that or the core must flip 180° on its central axis. Another theory that needs an explanation as to how and why that would occur.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by kalisdad
If there was a magnetic shift, it would all depend, but scientists believe it would be a N-S shift, meaning comasses would now read south as north and north as south.
Originally posted by Advantage
Sorry, this is why I dont even try much anymore. Some refuse to see it in any other way than with a western perspective and thats why they dont get the full idea of the prophecy. I give up, I wasnt arguing, I wanted you to see what all that particular excerpt meant after understanding the perspective in which it was written. ,
Originally posted by kalisdad
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by kalisdad
If there was a magnetic shift, it would all depend, but scientists believe it would be a N-S shift, meaning comasses would now read south as north and north as south.
yeah, that is my belief also, it only makes sense.
if the magnetic field swaps polarity, north becomes south, and suddenly the sun does in fact rise in the west
there is no need for a physical pole shift to see this come true
Originally posted by Ghost374
Originally posted by Advantage
Sorry, this is why I dont even try much anymore. Some refuse to see it in any other way than with a western perspective and thats why they dont get the full idea of the prophecy. I give up, I wasnt arguing, I wanted you to see what all that particular excerpt meant after understanding the perspective in which it was written. ,
You're the one refusing to see it from a different perspective. I can understand you, it's just you're wrong. Have you ever talked to muslims to see what they actually believe? The bible says stuff that most people interpret much differently than what it says word for word. on the other hand, there's always people who interpret things very literally. Have you never heard the term arguing semantics? because that's what you're doing, and I as well. Muslims in the middle east think Americans are infidels, not christians. they accept jesus was a prophet.
Originally posted by Advantage
Originally posted by Ghost374
Originally posted by Advantage
Sorry, this is why I dont even try much anymore. Some refuse to see it in any other way than with a western perspective and thats why they dont get the full idea of the prophecy. I give up, I wasnt arguing, I wanted you to see what all that particular excerpt meant after understanding the perspective in which it was written. ,
You're the one refusing to see it from a different perspective. I can understand you, it's just you're wrong. Have you ever talked to muslims to see what they actually believe? The bible says stuff that most people interpret much differently than what it says word for word. on the other hand, there's always people who interpret things very literally. Have you never heard the term arguing semantics? because that's what you're doing, and I as well. Muslims in the middle east think Americans are infidels, not christians. they accept jesus was a prophet.
Incredible.. yes, I lived in Iran for 5 years and my husband's ex is from Iran originally, her dad was the Shah's cardiologist in Tehran, and we are all pretty close. Geez.. some of you deserve to wallow in not knowing and grasping in the dark. Yes, christians are infidels ... wow.. all I can say is WOW. You have NO idea. I see this thread has made up its mind already where it is going. No more need for me here.