Wow thats alot of carriers in one place at one time. Counting all the support/escort ships and subs thats one dam powerful armada

So thats why all those carriers went out to sea, for an apparent 'excersize' . Yeah it's an excercize alright, talk about flexing your military muscle eh. I really hope this doesn't amount to anything serious. Hopefully this will send a message to China that the US ain't messing around and maybe they might back down. Let's just hope China doesn't have any working Super-Cavitating torps....

fair dues to America, showing other countries that they are not to be messed with even when alot of their forces are in Iraq

That is way too much its over kill they really want to send the Chinese a message. 7 carrier groups they can surround Taiwan with that many ships maybe not but its a lot of ships.


[edit on 1-7-2004 by WestPoint23]

Does anyone know if ROC has any carriers, or is all ROC aircraft landbased?

What worries me is the silkworm antiship missle, and that ROC is not that far from Taiwan, they could launch a barrage of silkworms like several hundred at once and follow up with land bases aircraft to attack this task force.

Does anyone know ROC attack aircraft type and count?

Taiwan has a several wings of attack Cobra airships with antiship missles as a primary defence force, which is a top notch antiship hunter killer force to at least slow down the ROC navy, and then Taiwan waits for the US to arrive.

It looks like we are there now, so when does Taiwan declare independence. I read in the news a few weeks ago that China was all bent out of shape over Taiwan's elections and her move toward independence, maybe the time has come and we are there to help!

john

Or possibly these ships are getting in place to attack RNK!

john

Hi

Something nobody seems to be noticing is just what else is going on, let me outline the clues for you all.

1) 7 carrier battle groups + escorts+amphibous groups+ships from 8 other nations(over 100 ships)
2) US troops pulled back from the DMZ
3) F-117 sent again too kusan korea.
4) B-52 and B-1b movements around guam
5) Anti ballistic missile defense gains emergency readiness status some time this month.
6) which country is next to china?
7) countless numbers of patriot missiles being installed all over south korea.
Its most likey we are seeing the initial biuld up of the attack on korea. Just from my terrible maths lets assume the firgures involed

maybe 900 tomahawks avaible
350 usaf aircraft in japan another 150 in korea. and lets not forget the nearly 350 attack planes from the carriers(lets not forget south koreas formidable army/airforce too)
add this to the fact that most bombers would fly directly to korea from the conus.

And a mass air strike on this scale is part of a well know battle plan for korea. oplan-5026 www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-5026.htm


just my 2cents

US troops being pulled back from the North Korea/South Korea border.....
US Pacific region troops/contactors/families are being issued with anthrax and smallpox vaccinations........ and now the US Navy announces 7 Carrier groups are to exercise off China.

If I was in the North Korean military, I'd be getting a mite concerned about now.

zero lift

If this speculation is true, what's the timeline of attack? Any insights?

Wow, now that is interesting! Fighting RNK means fighting ROC.
Please keep us posted.

Thanks John

There is a good thread in the ATS news section in regards to RNK surprise attack comming.

john

why would the US attack now we should wait al least another year do we have that many troops in the reigon or we dont need troops just air power and sea power?

Next year so we could give out raptors some training on Chinese planes.

Originally posted by muckminer
If this speculation is true, what's the timeline of attack? Any insights?

I would think before election.
But I have to admit I would really give Bush points from this one.
North Korea's dictator government spend so much money to their military (and I bet that their own pocketbooks aren't thin) when there's famine same time so there would be real reasons for "change of government".

And same in case of Taiwan, their people seems want independence more than return to under rule of dictatorship and I wouldn't outrule possibility of China's attack.

Originally posted by SIRR1
Does anyone know if ROC has any carriers, or is all ROC aircraft landbased?

What worries me is the silkworm antiship missle, and that ROC is not that far from Taiwan, they could launch a barrage of silkworms like several hundred at once and follow up with land bases aircraft to attack this task force.

Does anyone know ROC attack aircraft type and count?

Taiwan has a several wings of attack Cobra airships with antiship missles as a primary defence force, which is a top notch antiship hunter killer force to at least slow down the ROC navy, and then Taiwan waits for the US to arrive.

It looks like we are there now, so when does Taiwan declare independence. I read in the news a few weeks ago that China was all bent out of shape over Taiwan's elections and her move toward independence, maybe the time has come and we are there to help!

john

I think you should firstly learn the knowledge of the world before you
talk about war with other countries. China is divided into 2 parts in a civil
war, mainland side called PRC, taiwan side called ROC. All the chinese
people are looking forward unification.

Silkworm is very old missle, it is developed in 1970s, in 1980s a bunch
of this missle is sold to Iraq and Iran. Before 1990, this missle is retired
from China Navy and Iran bought away the whole deposit of this missles.
So in China, we don't have silkworm anymore. I think you should
feel happy because we don't have this missle, so your big worry now
can go away.

China does not have aircraft carrier. Our attack aircraft will be Su30, but we
just have a small number of them, I think now is about 50. The other is
our indigerous JH7A, the performance almost same as Tornado, or Su24,
not so good but can make big quantity.

WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN:

ONE aircraft carrier is sent to a trouble spot as a reminder of US presence. This was done several times in the past, when tension was high in the Taiwan Strait.

TWO carriers show serious concern, as was the case when China test-fired missiles over the strait in 1996.

THREE OR FOUR are sent in combat situations - as in the Gulf War in the early 1990s and the recent Iraqi war.

Sending SEVEN carriers in peace time to the same region is unprecedented.

Well your Su-30 you say you have 50 well in 2005 we will have about 25 raptors that is a fair match up not really but what the heck next we will have F-14 and F-18s and don't know if F-15 or F-16 are needed and this is all hypothetical just in case of war.

'Even now, China can easily take on two CSGs,' he said but conceded that there was no way it could face seven all at the same time.

This means that if China has to wage war over Taiwan, it has to be able to land and seize control of the island within the first 30 days.

Otherwise, under the FRP, six CSGs may well arrive to join in the battle.

'All this leaves China with no choice but to start and end the war with lightning speed,' said the source.

Politically, Summer Pulse is likely to be seen by many Chinese as naked intimidation.

'This is gunboat diplomacy in the 21st century,' the source remarked, adding that it would remind the Chinese people of their century-long deep humiliation by Western powers - and put Sino-US relations at peril.