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Originally posted by weedwhacker
Oh, and I forgot to add, occurred later....remember Chris Hansen, and "To Catch A Predator" sting shows??
Look at this guy, this twenty-something....and imagine you met him on the street (or he served you pizza, as BH suggested)....could YOU tell that he was a horn-dog, willing to prey on underage girls?? Just by looking at him, and barely interacting with him?:
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Mactire
Again, I'm not expecting Obama to know the little dirty secrets of all who works for him, though I do expect him to know if someon eis too stupid to avoid getting caught up in a predator sting.
It would be like me hiring some dim-wit for an important job with a deadline and when this dim-wit doesn't show up for work or quits on the job, then it is ultimately my responsibility. How was I to know that he was a slacker who couldn't hang? Well easy, as it is my job as a leader to correctly judge the charcter of those that I hire and if my judgement is off, then so is my leadership and my ability to affectively do my job.
There was a FED-EX commercial that I used to show my class, where a cave man fails to deliver his package on time (something to that affect). The premise was that excuses don't matter why something didn't get done, only that it didn't get done and when you are responsible for something (such as sending a package), then anything which prevents that job from getting done, is your fault. The cave-man should have been a better judge character, lest he fail at his responsibility.
--airspoon
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Mactire
Again, I'm not expecting Obama to know the little dirty secrets of all who works for him, though I do expect him to know if someon eis too stupid to avoid getting caught up in a predator sting.
It would be like me hiring some dim-wit for an important job with a deadline and when this dim-wit doesn't show up for work or quits on the job, then it is ultimately my responsibility. How was I to know that he was a slacker who couldn't hang? Well easy, as it is my job as a leader to correctly judge the charcter of those that I hire and if my judgement is off, then so is my leadership and my ability to affectively do my job.
There was a FED-EX commercial that I used to show my class, where a cave man fails to deliver his package on time (something to that affect). The premise was that excuses don't matter why something didn't get done, only that it didn't get done and when you are responsible for something (such as sending a package), then anything which prevents that job from getting done, is your fault. The cave-man should have been a better judge character, lest he fail at his responsibility.--airspoon
Originally posted by airspoon
If you can't even judge character in a way to purge yourself or your campaign with creeps who solicit children for sex, then how could you possibly imagine to judge the character of those you appoint to various public offices?
Being able to judge character is an extremely important part of being a leader. If you lack that ability, then you lack the ability of being a good leader.
Hypocrite much?
No. We believe it is you, who is missing the point.
The point is: unless a person is a mind reader, no one can judge the character of anyone else who carries a sexual secret.
But none of these "Character Flaws" point to being into younger women.
That's called being a male
The difference between that guy and every other guy is, he acted on his emotions/desires/lust.
There are no hints to show whether or not someone will do that.
And the only thing I've learned in all of this circular debate is, your character flaw. You're shallow.
The truth of the matter is, there is no one on this earth that is well rounded, flawless, and without his/her skeletons. No one.
You've beaten your "I right" drum to dust, fella. Unfortunately the rhythm doesn't match the tune.
I think you are missing the point. Nobody is blaming Obama for having this happen, rather his ability to judge character is being called into question, thus his leadership skills. Nobody is saying that Obama should have known that this guy would solicit sex from minor, only that he apparently has a severe character flaw, whether it be that he solicited sex from a minor or was too dumb to avoid being caught in the stings that are so publicized.
Believe it or not, great leaders all have one thing in common, and that is that they have good judgments of character. Call it intuition or call it what you will but what separates good and effective leaders from ordinary men, is their ability to judge character, such as is this guy cut out for the job? Is this guy smart enough for the job at hand? Does this have any character flaws that may lead him to damage the mission or institution? Those are all things that great leaders can automatically sense in people they are sizing up for a particular delegation of duties or responsibilities. If you can not make those judgment calls or you are not capable of doing so, then a great leader you do not make, as that is the primary job of a great leader.
Again, I'm not blaming Obama for this guy's actions, only that Obama apparently lacks the ability to judge character. One of the main responsibilities of a great leader, is that he appoints delegates of his responsibilities, delegates that reflect his own character or that have the ability and wherewithal to conduct the mission accordingly to the task. If you aren't capable of doing that, then you aren't a good leader. Now one slip up isn't that big of a deal, as we all make mistakes, though this seems to be a repeating pattern, as it was also with Bush, though Bush seemed to appoint cronies so they seemed to portray the mission and morals that he was going for, thus they were probably good choices or judgments of character to him or what he was trying to do.
Should Obama have known that this guy would solicit sex with a minor? No, that would require psychic abilities, one would think but is should have been apparent to any good leader that this guy had character flaws, such as stupidity or whatever would lead to sexual solicitation of a minor.
Yeah, you're going against him because he didn't know the character of this man, that he was a pedophile, that Obama should've been able to judge him...
Why? You just state a GOOD LEADER HAS TO BE ABLE TO JUDGE CHARACTER! Yet, you don't say how.
Then why has every president of the United States been associated with dirty figures? EVERY PRESIDENT has been associated with someone who has broken the law, or has done something really bad.
That argument is lame, Air Spoon.
Then, once again, blame every president. Every president has a poor judge of character, because every president has associated with someone who broke the law.
Air Spoon, that makes no sense...
Do you understand why the majority of this thread is against you? YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
Obama hired this guy to advise his campaign. That is a big position, one where you don't just take the first application that comes along. Also, this guy wound up in a jail cell for doing something as stupid as soliciting children for sex online, a highly publicized method of busting pedophiles and sexual deviants. Not only is this stupid for that reason and wrong because it was a child, but also because he is a highly publicized figure. And this is only speaking of this guy, not the plethora of other people who have been appointed or hired by Obama and his team, a team that has the equivelant of limitless resources for vetting.
As I said before, the ability to judge to character is something that you either have or you don't. It's a kind of intuition. Great leaders can tell just by shaking your hand and maybe talking to you for a minute, as is ecident by their ability to delegate properly without the modern technology to fully vet prospects. Obama on the other hand had the technology, time, resources and money for the full vetting process so even if he lacks the natural intution of on the spot character judgement, he should have been able to do so after reading the guy's full life story. There really is no excuse for it.
First of all, it's not just about breaking the law or even being dirty, nor is it just about associating with these thugs. If someone is a smart criminal, then they obviously can get away with whatever they are doing, fooling most people of their apparent darker content. This turkey, the subject of the OP, not only committed a so-called heinous crime, but he managed to get himself caught in a trap that anyone with above-average IQ could have avoided. Then, Obama hired this guy to run part of his campaign, he wasn;t simply associated with the President.
Had this have happened to Bush, Reagan, Ford, Carter or anyone else, then I would obviously be saying the same thing. Had Obama just been simply associated with this guy, then I would reserve my judgement about this incident. Instead, Obama pretty much picked this guy to represent his values and his goals.
Again, your flawed logic and partisan non-sense. I'm blaming Obama because he is the subject of the article, though I'm not blaming Obama for this guy's crimes or his stupidity, only Obamas failure to accurately judge his character. Furthermore, I don't buy into the whole false left-right paradigm of one-dimensional American political non-sense, thus I don't feel the need to "balance" my posts accordingly for those who are too ignorant to see past it.
The majority of the members in this thread (all of 3?) are against me because they fail to look at this objectively and are probably Obama followers, not that this should matter, though sadly it does.
Do you not understand what character is? Do you not understand the difference between someone's character and someone's actions? They are two different things, apples to oranges. Soliciting children for sex is only a symptom of your character. You may never have slept with or solicited sex from children in your life, though that doesn't mean that you don't have the character flaw that may lead to this action, a character flaw that you would want to avoid in someone you are hiring to represent your values. This is not even mentioning the fact that this is only a small part of this guy's apparent character flaw (as it pertains to national politics). Look, if Obama was hiring this guy to work the counter of a liquor store, then such a character flaw wouldn't matter, but he was selected to run part of a political campaign or to advise it.
It is clear that you simply don't understand leadership or the qualities absolutely necessary for any successful leader, though even if did, your obvious biases would have you over-look it anyway. After all, Obama can do no wrong, right? The very simply point is that a leader is responsible for every thing that happens under him and his subordinates reflect his values (to include intelligence), thus a leader should be responsible for hiring good subordinates. If a leader doesn't hire good subordinates, then success will be ever fleeting and guess what, success is ever fleeting. Obama can't control the actions of people, though he can or should control who he hires to reflect his values. It really is that simple and excuses no longer matter.
Look at it this way, if Obama hires, say a national-security czar, who sits in his office all day playing solitaire, instead of doing what he is supposed to and keeping the country safe. We then couldn't really blame Obama for this guy playing solataire, though we could blame Obama for hiring this turkey, who obviously has the character flaw of a slacker. However, what would happen, is that people would start yelping about how it's not Obama's fault because how should he have known that this guy wouldn;t have done his done job, after all it's not Obama's fault that this guy played solitaire. Well, it is Obama's job to take full accountability over his swath of responsibility, to include the responsibilities that he delegates out, after all he is the leader and the buck stops with him.