Originally posted by Nightfury
I DO NOT belive in macro evolution where a human came from a monkey.

You also apparently DO NOT believe in actually learning about evolution. No such connection is made via the science of evolution that would show homo-sapiens evolved from "monkeys." This is a very common purposeful lie perpetuated by the religious (who are directed not to lie by the tenants of their religion) to build emotional opposition to the proven and substantiated science of evolution.

Humans and "monkeys" evolved separately from common primate ancestors.

Given the overwhelming scientific evidence that proves evolution, why do the "creationists" never consider that evolution is simply a tool their God used in creation? Just as light would be considered a created tool of their God.

Now we need an Ancient Astronaut thread called The Ignorance of Creationists and Evolutionists the Polarization of Creation and the Ignorance Thereof. Ancient astronauts fix this problem quite easily, they're the only thing that does. The problem with this or that is that it's usually a bit of both. If you people would stop trying to figure out what theory is right and which one is wrong and just tried to combine the two, you'd have a much easier time of it. It's like nature vs nurture, it's obvious that the answer is both, but that's too easy. It's like with people being gay, it's a bit of both, or with abortion issue, it should be a bit of both (pro-choice fits that description), or any other polarized issue, the answer usually lies between. The Ancient Astronaut Truth, mixed with the fact that the Creator is the Creation, and the fact that we live in a very conscious universe helped by a myriad of non-physical beings and it's easy to understand how this all works. Threads like this should get people banned from creating a thread for a month, it's been done to death and does nothing but cause fighting, nothing good will come from this thread, but the Change we can slowly believe in is asbolutely hilarious, thanks for that. These sorts of threads are why people don't join ATS and instead just shake their head in disgust on the sidelines. There's nothing worse than a fight between two groups who are both wrong, it's like watching Christians fight Muslims, nothing good comes from it and it hurts to watch.

SCIENCE VS GOD

Neither party knows!
And both are as arogant, ignorant and stubourn as each other.
But neither science or creationists can answer the big question HOW DID IT ALL START?
The problem is quite simple

Science: Oh the big bang blah blah blah,
Me: Ok, and what caused that?
Science: likely a never ending cycle, it just always existed
Me: hmm

Creationists: God, earth 7 days, universe, heavens, blah blah blah.
Me: Well who created god
Creationists: well god just always existed
Me: hmm

No matter which way we look we end up saying it just always existed - and we have to - otherwise we have the question of what came before that?
SO I think it is time science and creationists just realise that in the grand scheme neither of you know jack.

And to the creationist saying "exactly, but I have faith" that is all well and good but you still do not know if science is right and faith a piece of your brain that tell's you god exists or not - so work with the scientists and find god together.

To the scientists, you cant expect creationists to buy in to your whole story until you have alot more answers because you yourselves are constantly changing what you think - this is good science. But not good preaching - when you want to change someone point of view - work with creationists and see what you can find, because you are not the only ones who have been right about things.

how do you explain alligators and crocodiles. science says they have remained unchanged for over 250 million years.

according to the theory of evolution they should be brainiac space travelers with warp drive, not eating dead chickens at uncle jimbos alligator zoo at the 3:00 pm show.

evolution can't explain the laws of physics either. why can't an object according to einstein travel faster than the speed of light. why is there a cosmic speed limit.

if your pea brain can accept that there is something larger and greater than you, them maybe you can accept the existence of God.

the more you look at different aspects of the universe you can see the clear signs and hints that the universe was designed and created. that is proof of God.

God exists whether you believe it or not.

Originally posted by byteshertz

Creationists: God, earth 7 days, universe, heavens, blah blah blah.
Me: Well who created god
Creationists: well god just always existed
Me: hmm

asking who created God is like asking what the color blue smells like.

Originally posted by byteshertz
SCIENCE VS GOD

Neither party knows!

Science: Oh the big bang blah blah blah,
Me: Ok, and what caused that?
Science: likely a never ending cycle, it just always existed
Me: hmm

That's not what the scientific community claims. We know the big bang happened, but we have no clue about what caused it. That's why we only have a couple of hypotheses and not concrete theories (like evolution for example).

The difference is, science does 2 things:

1) Admit to not knowing when they don't know. Don't believe me? Write a paper about how you believe the universe started, don't use any sources or evidence...and then see how well the scientific community accepts it. Those guys can be nasty, they love punching holes in other people's theories and hypotheses.

2) Create hypotheses that they then TEST and PEER REVIEW. Until a hypotheses has been tested, and retested by several independent scientists...it's NOT a theory. Only when a hypotheses can't be falsified, does it turn into a theory. That's why saying evolution is wrong is ignorant. In over 150 years people have tried to poke holes into the theory...not one succeeded. In fact, we are actively using findings in modern medicine. You wouldn't have a lot of the antibiotics we have if the theory was wrong!!

So as you see, the main differences between religion and science are:

Science is willing to be tested and peer reviewed, it is FLEXIBLE and OBJECTIVE.
Religion isn't willing to be tested and claims to not need scientific evidence, it's STATIC and BIASED.

So when I'm trying to understand reality, I'm always going with science because it's flexible enough to accept facts and evidence. I refuse to be a blind sheep!

I always thought the theory of evolution was just that : a theory. Parts of it are correct and proven,but not the whole theory. To me it takes belief or faith to believe in this theory not too much differnt than the creationist has faith that a God made everything spontaneously.

I also have numerous times seen another similarity in the creationist and evolutionist : They both attack and degrade in their own way. One claims everyone is ignorant and uneducated that doesnt hold their view and the other side claims pretty much the same thing.. and add in that the evolutionist is damned to hell. Its not just happening here, but everywhere. On either side I do love to see well thought out and researched reasons why people believe the way they do, these exchanges are how we all learn and widen our perspectives. I truly hate to see one side or the other come out of the box with complete arrogance as if their mission in life is to inform the uninformed and demand that a person choose which "side" they are on. When a person starts out with an offensive thread title, it will just go downhill from there. If you want to discuss things OP, putting the opposing side on defense isnt very smart. Was discussion never your intent, or maybe more preaching... exactly like what the side you hate so much is known for? You know, shoving religion/scientific theory down someones throat.

Sometimes I cant tell on either side if these are threads to enlighten the dirty savages on the opposing side or threads to stroke their own egos and make themselves feel "smart". The creationist has another reason to add to the arrogance and haughtiness.... witnessing and doing what some religions think God demands. I figure some humility would suit some well from both sides.

OP, falling off of that pedestal hurts like hell, and eating humble pie is not all that great. Im telling you this because Ive experienced both.

I keep coming to these types of threads and hoping to see a real debate between people without ego issues ad all of the pettiness. I should know by the thread title I guess.

In any case, I hope everyone has a decent Thanksgiving holiday and that non-Americans have some fun too!