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U.S. and South Korea to hold military drills! [11/24/10]

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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 06:53 AM
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I think there is the possibility that we are going to see a new kind of 'hot war' that was previously viewed as unthinkable.

A World War with nuclear exchanges on a limited scale between more than two countries.

For the people that believe in the NWO theory, it would fit with the conspiracy to whittle down global population by wiping out numerous major cities. Since Chernobyl, it has been seen that nuclear contamination can be dealt with on a regional scale.




posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 06:55 AM
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The South must set a hard limit on how far the North can push their conventional military actions without provoking total war. We all know how the North pushed their luck with the nuclear issue and got away with it in a spectacular fashion, but pushing the limits of a theoretical threat is one thing and killing/injuring South Koreans in seemingly random attacks is something else.

Past actions have been sea-based, I believe that the North is trying to test the limits of how far they can go with land-based actions. The South does not want to be in a position where the North feels like it can kill more of their soldiers, or perhaps even occupy one of the islands close to the NNL without massive retaliation. They want to make it clear that this attack was the last straw, whether that is actually the case or not.

Military exercises conducted with the US are about as far as the South can go with retaliatory actions, but the exercises aren’t needed and could make the situation worse. If the North was trying to push their luck then they would wait for the situation to cool off before trying something significant, they're not stupid.

For the South to say “hey look the Americans are here, try and have a go now” is effectively tempting the North to conduct another action that shows that they are not intimidated. While this action would surely be less inflammatory than yesterday's attack, there is obviously a high risk of escalation.

If the North simply waits until the exercise is over and the situation has cooled off before pushing the limits even further, as they did with the nuclear issue, nothing has been achieved as far as snuffing this out. They can't keep on going like this forever. Prevention is better than cure, I wish they would get on with it.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by DarthPhobos
Now we know who's really the provocative side, I said so yesterday, The North say yesterday they fired because the south were firing towards their waters, we know the waters is whats being disputed but never the less, youd have to say the south knew exactly what they were doing with the exericise. Id also like to know where the south hit when they retaliated, all we hear & see is where the north hit.
edit on 24-11-2010 by DarthPhobos because: Grammer


A thought provoking post. You are correct it was actually the South Koreans who fired first.

The skirmish began when North Korea warned the South to halt military drills near their sea border, according to South Korean officials. When Seoul refused and began firing artillery into disputed waters — but away from the North Korean shore — the North retaliated by shelling the small island of Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations and a small civilian population.

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The area is disputed and claimed by both Korea's where S.K was firing. North Korea took it as attack on their country and fired shells on military installations of S.K.

Imo South Korea and US has complete right to run a military drill but not in 'disputed territory'. They should do it away from the border and the area which both Korea's claim as their own. If they continue to run military drills and fire shots in disputed area then North Korea is equally justified in retaliating.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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This situation is quite tenuous. I hope things do not escalate.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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South Korea admitted it fired first, but not at the North. The island is disputed territory, recognized only by South Korea as South Korean, not by UN, not even by USA. Please consider the following videos of RussiaToday.

Moreover, seems Japan wants a bigger war, and wants the USA to do it. Taking into account the Japanese past, and its current status of a paranuclear state, its own hi-tech achievements in secret weaponry(?), one may wonder ?what are the real motives of the Empire of the Rising Sun.

The motives of secretary Kim are clear, but I doubt he will start anything bigger than that, if he hasn't arranged it with China and Russia. Possibly secret agreements with Iran etc to involve America on multiple fronts.

The US move to bring aircraft carrier will only enrage China, as 8 months ago. Will USA enter into a nuclear confrontation with a "crazy enemy" with unknown capabilities? Some American nuclear specialists wrote in Wallstreet journal blog, that NK has a thermonuclear device and the 1kt test was its ignition mechanism.



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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Gliese581
The island is disputed territory, recognized only by South Korea as South Korean, not by UN, not even by USA.


Are you sure about that statement? I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just that I heard the opposite. I heard that the only country that doesn't recognize this territory as South Korean is NK.

Edit to add map of the region:

graphics8.nytimes.com...

This island is clearly south of the Northern Limit Line, which was established by the UN in 1953.

Information on the Norther Limit Line:

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Soshh

For the South to say “hey look the Americans are here, try and have a go now” is effectively tempting the North to conduct another action that shows that they are not intimidated. While this action would surely be less inflammatory than yesterday's attack, there is obviously a high risk of escalation.



Indeed. What concerns me is that South Korea was carrying out military exercises on the Northern Limit Line, a maritime border that only South Korea truly recognises and which is highly disputed by North Korea. I see that as sabre-rattling and provocation, and North Korea bit the bait and fired.

I'm not saying North Korea was right to do what it did, but carrying out military exercises on the NLL seemed almost to be South Korea daring and goading North Korea to respond.

Well, they did. And here we are.

The next big concern for me now is that South Korea, bolstered by the US Naval presence, may do something else to antagonise North Korea before hiding behind the US's steel petticoat.

On a bigger picture, it seems to me that the US-South Korea naval exercises, which have been ongoing for awhile, in waters close to North Korea, seem not only to be challenging North Korea, but encouraging them to respond, knowing North Korea being seen to be militarily pushed around will make North Korea lose face and made to do something to show it is strong.

Perhaps that's the plan, to start the war, and make North Korea appear the aggressor, for the world to believe because North Korea is a 'rogue regime'.

It just seems to be a developing vicious circle. One that could get quite nasty, and soon. Looking at the timeline of events, you can just see things ratcheting up, and up and up.


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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by Gliese581
The island is disputed territory, recognized only by South Korea as South Korean, not by UN, not even by USA.


Are you sure about that statement? I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just that I heard the opposite. I heard that the only country that doesn't recognize this territory as South Korean is NK.


Personally I have no way to verify. As most of the people here, I base my knowledge on what is found freely online. That's what the Russian and Chinese media give. Here is the Chinese link:



www.chinadaily.com.cn...

www.prisonplanet.com...

China advancing laser weapons program. Technology equals or surpasses U.S. capability
www.wnd.com...
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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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well I can tell you that this happens every year or two.... We hold massive base wide exercises at our two bases in Korea... This is nothing of importance and nothing out of the ordinary..... ask anyone who has been stationed in Korea... stop being paranoid. IT'S CALLED AN EXERCISE, ORE, or ORI... everybase has them, some more than others



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Bad days ahead! Grim news! This will be the beginning of the WWIII.
Too much coincidences on the international and economical Agenda world-wide.
China and Russia don't remain on the window.

I really hope for the peace of Humanity that nothing bad happen, but if not: Sunday bloody sunday...



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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Any body want to guess at the type of ordinance used?????


www.guardian.co.uk...

Any GUNNIE's around



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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World war III is going to start Sunday, take note to how the kitty hawk positions her self once she arrives. Offensive posture backed by hunter killer.

This is the exact ship which China did a peekaboo on just recently. Little did they know we were tracking their accustics. GOT YA..
they thought they were sneeking up on us. Little do the know it was intentional. We knew they were there.

I think it is a great idea to brink this ship back. Kitty Hawk..

Wacth out they don't call her the KITTY HAWK for nothing. This baby can lay out a can of some sever woop arse.



Be safe boys. Don't let your guard down. If your on the CWIS and you have got incoming let it rip. ANYONE I REPEAT ANYONE who is trying to sneak up on the Kitty needs to be declawd.

BEWARE NORTH KOREA,

You may just get what you want. Your own movie show how we embarrased the little leader.

Walk tall and carry a big stick.
When they eyeball you. You crack them in the head.
If they look up when they are down.
You kick them in the teeth.

NUFF SAID



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Korean women are smooooooooking id like to go to seoul meet a few honies but not with this going down. Also if any korean women reading this you can take asylum in my crib.

What I thought this is either

A. Just a exercise and nothing will come of it.

B. The poking of north korea is going to get ill to pop his bladder and do something stupid

If B. Happens here is the outcome

1. Foot war thousands upon thousands upon thousands die

2. Nuclear holocaust wiping out all of north some south korean casualties some military casualties

Throw the bone in with china and russia getting involved it could be a few more scenarios.

edit on 24-11-2010 by thecinic because: Korean women are smooooking



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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I agree that WW3 may escalate from NKorea, Iran or both. Either prearranged by great powers or as an escalation based on economic and other factors, as it were WW2 and 1. Russia warned of the situation that it can grow much more dangerous if not contained.

As we watch only "two teams" and put almost automatically Russia and China behind Kim's regime and America behind Japan and South Korea, we may miss something. It is the rising JAPAN.

Japan is too much developed to be considered a country that needs the US protection, rather Japan seeks a revenge from WW2. Japan has stockpiles of weapons grade plutonium enough for 10 000 warheads. The technical time for warhead production is 1 month. We don't know if it is done secretly,or if such plans are ready in case of war on Korean peninsula. Japan is a space power that makes it capable to install nukes into space or on FOBS orbit. Believe it or not, but that will make out of Washington and Moscow hostages to the rising asserts of Japanese policy. Surely they need a permanent place in UN SC. Whether that will satisfy them?

We don't know the real hi-tech capabilities in terms of NANO technology, minituarization of smart weapons (the drones are just one example), and how smart they actually are. Do they have robots? NASA already has one ready for the space station. Why not Japan that is a leader in computers?

How about the multiple Japanese cartoons for kids, where the Transformers play both good and bad...that is already planted in the kids' consciousness. Is that only entertainment or a carefully arranged agenda for generation ahead?

We consider Japanese as a staunch US ally, therefore we sleep quiet...Is it possible USA, Europe and Russia to find themselves closer in terms of culture and in terms to defend themselves from the new hi-tech evil that may originate not even from Japan but somewhere far away and far above... (I don't want to sound sci-fi here, but we cannot exclude that option after we know what we are told online about the black projects in US labs and Grey help in stealth, microchip etc).

How about that trailer of Red Alert, could it turn to be an image of the reality that comes? Why it happens so many movies and now games to be so close to a potential reality? Are they preparing a reality that we cannot realize now except by virtual images?



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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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what you just said would make perfect sense, if it wasn't for the fact that a sequence of events has just occurred which involved their enemy firing upon them. Normally at this point, any "training event" would be seen as a show of support and would be canned, unless of course it was a show of support...


"This exercise is defensive in nature," US Forces Korea said in a statement. "While planned well before yesterday's unprovoked artillery attack, it demonstrates the strength of the ROK [South Korea]-US alliance and our commitment to regional stability through deterrence."


this is no exercise that happens every year

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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Agreed.

Usually the exercises conducted there do not involve North Korea shelling SK and killing civilians.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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kim juong air gives you all this message

www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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Best case senario is that nothing further happens.
Take a look at the death toll from the previous Korean war.
users.erols.com...

I cant understand why anyone would be rooting for a war.
It would more than likly spread to ww3.

You could easily start with NK and SK,and add the U.S into the mix.
Then you could have Israel make a go at Iran during the same time,also add inthe U.S.
And then China can make its push towards Taiwan,also add the U.S into the mix.

The U.S cant help all its allies.
This would only lead to someone lobing a nuke,and there goes the domino effect.

And in the end,millions will dies,countries will be contaminated,and everyone will still hate each other in the end.

So I guess its safe to say that this would be fitting.....



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
I cant wait to see the look on China and Russia face when china finds out that all of the top secret parts that they had been making for our planes don't actually work and soon find out that we built everything here and all the info that got leaked to their spy's is false. What really will be funny is when we stop using tech from the 1970's and start pulling out the crazy stuff we have now. LoL China couldn't make a ballistic missile work only 18 years ago and had to get help from us and the Russian are in a world of hurt as they are still trying to recover from the cold war failure and a bunch of their stuff got sold off. The sh!t is going to hit the fan people. Drafts, invasions, air raids, bio attacks, emp maybe?Microwave beams? Weather warfare, And the best part is after its over china is going to owe us money same with Russia and what ever middle east country tries to join that losing battle. But its going to cost the lives of millions of allied people British, American, Japanese, and Germans "French maybe"? I know the Jews will be on our side. The cold war didn't end it has only just begun! They shall never be enemy of each other or us is the question?
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Awesome Awesome so true




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