reply to post by truthiron
As for the death of many in the old testament He was merely protecting His own.
How was he protecting his own when he flooded the entire Earth killing newborns, puppies, etc? How was offering power over Job and allowing Satan to
kill Job's children "protecting his own"? How does the revenge of killing the first born of Egypt in any way protect the Hebrews? Why would a God
who created everyone and loved everyone pick a favorite race and then command both racial purity and genocide against other peoples? How does
completely desolating everyone, including innocent children, in Sodom and Gomorrah - when Lot and his family were already running to safety with two
angels - protect his own? Sorry but that blanket excuse doesn't work at all. Even if it did work it doesn't justify a good God committing murder. If
he's all powerful he could easily just surround the people he wanted protected, or those they were to be protected from, in a wall of impenetrable
energy. If he could do ANYTHING why is murder at the top of his list?
The commandments are not grievious.
Have you ever read the commandments of the Old testament? In the ten commandments it says to kill anyone who works on the Sabbath. The ten also put
restrictions on thoughts, you aren't allowed to covet your neighbors goods or wife. They also restrict free speech and free religion as you are not
allowed to have any gods but Yahweh. In Deuteronomy is says women who aren't virgins on their wedding night should be brutally stoned to death. The
commandments are grievous and morally repugnant to any with a sound moral conscience.
In other words they were whores.
Somehow a whore's life has less value than someone elses? Considering that Yahweh, if the Bible is to be believed, condones slavery I really don't
think he's in any position to cast judgment on whores.
You didn't tell your mom and pop, well I don't like it your way but you got to keep on blessing me with the things I want and what I want to
Any good parent respects their child's autonomy to a certain degree and especially after they've become an adult. All parents know that their
children are not going to be capable of fulfilling their every whim and obeying their every command. Yet Yahweh doesn't seem to know this. He seems
to think that anyone who doesn't obey deserves eternal torment. What sort of a God grants his children free will but then demands, under penalty of
eternal torment, that they only use that free will as he sees fit? The same sort of God who would damn all generations to come for the sins of two
naked people who listened to a talking snake.
as He is Trully a loving Father.
A loving Father would have forgiven Adam and Eve. God puts Adam and Eve in the Garden with no apparatus for telling right from wrong. They have no
knowledge of good and evil yet he expects them to obey - HOW? How can they know that obeying him is right if they do not know right and wrong? The
story is analogous to a hot stove. The forbidden fruit is like a hot stove top and God, like a parent, warns his children not to touch. But rather
than forgive them and help mend their wounds afterward God is so furious that he curses humanity, and, according to most Christian interpretations,
damns Adams descendants to be born in sin. Rather than show mercy he casts them out into the world and leaves them tainted with sin, despite the fact
they were entirely unable to know that what they did was wrong. Six chapters into the Bible God decides his only course of action is to kill every
living thing on the planet. Within the first six chapters yahweh has proven that he is not a good Father, in fact he's one of the worst imaginable.
then man as Satan seduced Eve and Adam knowingly disobeyed.
They knew they were disobeying but, as they had no knowledge of good and evil, could not have known it was wrong to disobey. Also, Satan isn't
mentioned as being in the Garden, the Bible says a snake, which was the craftiest creature God had made, was there. The idea that this snake was
Lucifer stems from other verses and interpretations. The word Satan simply means adversary and it isn't always used in the Bible to refer to the
specific character, the link between Lucifer and Satan is even more tenuous but that's a subject for another discussion entirely.
The clay has no right to say to the potter, I won't be a cup in your house, I'll be a beer glass in the saloon
If God wanted obedience, if that was his goal and wish than all he needed to do is create a race of unthinking unfeeling beings. If he wanted us to be
able to make our own choices than he should be comfortable with those choices. If he wants us to love him than he'd better make himself known and
show that he is a God worthy of love. The Yahweh of the Bible, if the book is taken literally, is not worthy of love and is a being of unspeakable
A Father should not, when his children leave the house, grab them as they leave and say, "Obey my every word, or I will kill you, but don't forget
that I love you. You must do only what I say if you want my blessing or my help" - That is not the love of a loving Father, it is a conditional love
and a threat of violence, yet that is how the Bible makes Yahweh come off.