How can the earth be millions of yrs old and we can't find a tree over 10K yrs old?, page 1


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Topic started on 23-11-2010 @ 08:15 PM by OldThinker
How can the earth be millions of years old and we can't find a tree over 10K yrs old?

I don't know how old the earth is...neither do you friend.

But can't you skeptics just admit this is puzzling to your worldview? I mean many of those that believe in a young earth put it around 10K years old...right in line with the age of this tree in Sweden...

World's Oldest Living Tree -- 9550 Years Old -- Discovered In Sweden
ScienceDaily (Apr. 16, 2008) — The world's oldest recorded tree is a 9,550 year old spruce in the Dalarna province of Sweden. The spruce tree has shown to be a tenacious survivor that has endured by growing between erect trees and smaller bushes in pace with the dramatic climate changes over time.

For many years the spruce tree has been regarded as a relative newcomer in the Swedish mountain region. "Our results have shown the complete opposite, that the spruce is one of the oldest known trees in the mountain range," says Leif Kullman, Professor of Physical Geography at Umeå University.

A fascinating discovery was made under the crown of a spruce in Fulu Mountain in Dalarna. Scientists found four "generations" of spruce remains in the form of cones and wood produced from the highest grounds.

The discovery showed trees of 375, 5,660, 9,000 and 9,550 years old and everything displayed clear signs that they have the same genetic makeup as the trees above them. Since spruce trees can multiply with root penetrating braches, they can produce exact copies, or clones.

The tree now growing above the finding place and the wood pieces dating 9,550 years have the same genetic material. The actual has been tested by carbon-14 dating at a laboratory in Miami, Florida, USA.

Previously, pine trees in North America have been cited as the oldest at 4,000 to 5,000 years old



Source:
www.sciencedaily.com...


I want to highlight this line...
The discovery showed trees of 375, 5,660, 9,000 and 9,550 years old and everything displayed clear signs that they have the same genetic makeup as the trees above them.


Notice that the various-aged-trees had the "same genetic make-up" meaning that the basic substances that the each tree were extremely similiar..so why haven't we found older ones with the same make-up....could it be something as simple as the earth wasn't here then?


OT


reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 08:20 PM by scooterstrats
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Look at Meadowcroft Rock Shelter. That might help also.


reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 08:20 PM by OldThinker
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Here's a great website with neat pictures of these old trees...I don't know how to put them into ATS...if someone does if you could help put a few "in" this thread I would appreciate it.



Link: www.wired.com...


reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 08:23 PM by mr-lizard
en.wikipedia.org...

Over time, the chemical and physical properties of the plant remains (believed to mainly have been fern-like species antedating more modern plant and tree species) were changed by geological action to create a solid material.


Trees die, tectonic plates shift, climates change, the raw material of the ex tree is compressed into the earth, broken down and crushed into coal over thousands of years.

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reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 08:27 PM by Quickfix
Here is a good thread about German spears that are 400K years old.

Try and argue with that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Good luck.

Edited to add: It proves there was trees 400K years ago.
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reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 08:27 PM by Sly1one
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I didn't know that the earth was created with trees? I though trees eventually grew on them when they could?

Your tree argument is actually in conflict with a theory that the earth is anything but millions of years old. Considering every other planet within this solar system has NO trees, yet they exist here on earth. There for trees on this planet by way of logic had to have grown here, which implies a drastic change from something like mars, mercury, or Venus (our closest planets) to what earth is today, it just doesn't make sense something like that could occur over a mere 10 thousand years...

There are multitudes of different way that all lead to the evidence earth is millions of years old. How old life is here though is another question all together.

You are right though, I cannot claim absolute knowledge and fact to how old the earth is.


reply posted on 23-11-2010 @ 08:29 PM by Shadowfoot
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Are you trying to posit some judeo-christian world view with this? Well the basic nuts and bolts can be explained by for instance...THE ICE AGE there have been countless. Now hows about the fern? they have been proven to be around for more then a couple 100 million years.

Here's my question to you....what test did they use on the tree in Sweden?...radio carbon dating...ok well in at least as far as that method is valid AND since it is from the same parameters...Radio Carbon dating has found any number of biological life forms that date back 100's of millions of years....yes from right here on this ol earth.

Is it possible carbon dating is flawed?...sure but the inverse of your conjecture subjects itself to the same parameters.
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