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Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
What you fail to mention is that the archaic interpretations of the Torah known as the Talmud have no relevance in today's society and are not recognized or even known by the overwhelming majority of jews today. Look around my friend, jews today are either traditional or secular and many have married outside of their faith. Most jews I know here in Toronto are physicians and are in the practice of saving lives, not taking them.
As for your interpretation of biblical history, allow me to educate you. The jews did not murder Jesus. Jesus was a jewish priest and developed a significant following among fellow jews in the Roman province of Judea. In the eyes of the Sanhedrin, his teachings were considered blasphemous and he was reported to Roman authorities for declaring himself as the Son Of God and as an authority above the Roman emperor. Following his crucifixion, Judea was divided into two distinct sects; The supporters of the Pharisees (Sanhedrin), and the Nazarenes, which were jews that followed the teachings of Christ and formed the basis of modern day Christianity.edit on 24-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kram09
An interesting, if not particularly objective thread.
I don't really like the idea of you equating muslims with Nazis.
Does anyone know of any interesting books on this subject? I don't mean any sensationalised nonsense either.
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Thank you Skyfloating for this thread, i am stunned but not surprised by some ATS members here are calling for you to kill yourself and well some other members like I AM LEGION and others show complete lack of history, knowledge and even respect.
If you fear the truth, if you wont even accept the truth, then leave but don't attack the thread OP because your showing a total lack of respect.
Here are links to back up Thread OP
WW II. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haji Amin al-Husaini, inspects Nazi Muslim-Bosnian SS-troops.
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was also responsible for the deaths of jews, serbs, romas in bosnia.
I am sadden to see your the ones who are Deny Ignorance!
edit on 24-11-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by forklift
reply to post by something wicked
DNA tests reveal 'Hitler was descended from the Jews and Africans he hated'
Adolf Hitler is likely to have been descended from both Jews and Africans, according to DNA tests. Samples taken from relatives of the Nazi leader show that he is biologically linked to the 'sub-human' races he sought to exterminate. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to track down 39 of the Fuhrer's relatives earlier this year. They included an Austrian farmer revealed only as a cousin called Norbert H. A Belgian news magazine has reported that samples of saliva taken from these people strongly suggest Hitler had antecedents he certainly would not have cared for. A chromosome called Haplopgroup E1b1b (Y-DNA) in their samples is rare in Germany and indeed Western Europe. 'It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews,' Mr Vermeeren said. 'One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised,' adds Mr Mulders in the magazine, Knack. Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.
"The results of this study are surprising," said Ronny Decorte, a geneticist interviewed by Knack. "Hitler would not have been happy." Geneticists identify groups of chromosomes called haplogroups, 'genetic fingerprints' that define populations. According to Mulders, Hitler's dominant haplogroup, E1b1b, is relatively rare in Western Europe - but strongest in some 25 percent of Greeks and Sicilians, who apparently acquired the genes from Africa: Between 50 percent and 80 percent of North Africans share Hitler's dominant group, which is especially prevalent among in the Berber tribes of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, and Somalis.
Lousy piece of journalism? I don't think so...
Originally posted by Skyfloating
The entire "War on Terror" is actually a continuation of the War against Nazis. Nazism survived. After WWII, through Project Paperclip, many German scientists were recruited to America. But most of the military officers obtained Visas to places like Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon. This is why Nazi-literature started appearing there in the 1950s. This is why between the late 40s and 70s one war after another was waged on the Jews from Arab states.
The Wahhabis insinuate themselves as legitimate members of the Muslim community, but Wahhabism was created by the British, in the eighteenth century, to undermine Islam. It has since been promoted by the state of Saudi Arabia, which was originally established by the British to achieve Western control of the world’s primary oil resource. (author, "Globalists Created Wahhabi Terrorism") In modern times, the Wahhabis have aligned themselves with a still more pernicious deviation from Islam, the Salafi. These name themselves accordingly because they claim to follow the earliest generations of the Muslims, known as the Salaf, and therefore, to be nearest to the purity of the original faith. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Nazis were the result of a merging of the O.T.O of Crowley and the Thule Gesselschaft of Germany. It is presumably for this reason that Hitler, when he wished to create an arm of German Intelligence in Egypt, contact a leading Salafi and Freemason, named Hasan al Banna. (Loftus, John. "Al Qaeda Terrorists Nazi Connection") It was eventual head of the CIA, Allen Dulles, after WWII, who spearheaded the move to hire ex-Nazis to train the terrorists. This was part of the same plot that created the Stay-Behind or Gladio network, that were behind the “Strategy of Tension” that used the Red Brigade to destabilize Italy throughout the seventies. In 1954, after it was discovered that the Muslim Brotherhood was responsible for an attack on his life, President Gamal Nasser of Egypt ordered a crackdown. Interrogations revealed that the Muslim Brotherhood functioned virtually as a German Intelligence unit. As well, as divulged by Miles Copeland, a former CIA operative specializing in the Middle East, in his autobiography, The Game Player:
Hence Zionists (Jewish Settlers) must be exterminated. It was members of the Muslim Brotherhood that founded the Hamas, the Hezbollah, the Islami Jihad and Al Qaeda.
Originally posted by forklift
Originally posted by EFGuy
reply to post by Skyfloating
Dont bother dude. The unwritten rule of most of the forums is moderators have right to put up false info. and not get shoved in trash/ hoax, thats only for members. Heres whats gonna happen if you try
Nice image! Sums up ATS very well.
Originally posted by I AM LEGION
This is again factually incorrect. M.B was not created in Saudi Arabia as you tried to portray through a imaginary link to Wahabism to it's creation.
Saudi Wahhabis were "the largest funders of local Muslim Brotherhood chapters and other hard-line Islamists
The Muslim Brotherhood is banned in Egypt, and members have been arrested for their participation in i
Until the election of Hamas in Gaza, Sudan was the one country were the Brotherhood was most successful in gaining power, its members making up a large part of the government officialdom following the 1989 coup d'état by General Omar Hassan al-Bashir.
The Muslim Brotherhood currently advocates suicide bombing attacks on civilians to fight Zionism, and its self-admitted Palestinian wing Hamas indiscriminately targets Jews as such, both civilians and the military, in Israel. In its Charter, Hamas cites The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and prophesizes the ultimate complete annihilation of Jewry.
Wrong! they cannot all be traced back to M.B specially not Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda. You see as I have demonstrated above in my post Al Qaeda denounced M.B
Hezbollah - or the Party of God - is a powerful political and military organisation in Lebanon made up mainly of Shia Muslims. It emerged with financial backing from Iran in the early 1980s and began a struggle to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon.
The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was one of the thirty-eight divisions fielded as part of the Waffen-SS during World War II. Its recruits were composed of Bosnian Muslims
Originally posted by Moonsouljah
Skyfloating is, for me, the most detestable of all ATS offers. Not only is his logic deeply fraught but the way he/she presents it is equally sickening.
I have extensively studied the Middle East and Arab world at a college level and can conclusively say Skyfloating's writing has the air of a hack orientalist scholar (like Bernard Lewis) but without the scholarship. Please Skyfloating, go to Israel and never return. I wish you the best.
Originally posted by Muhajiir
Sorry to say this, but the OP post is full of BS.
1. Hassan Al-Banna founder of Muslim Brotherhood was NOT a wahabi (wahabism is Saudi, Al-banna was Egyptian)
2. Saudi/Wahabi HATES Muslim brotherhood and the brotherhood is banned in Saudi!
3. Arafat was NOT a Muslim brotherhood, Hamas is official palestinian Muslim brotherhood, and Hamas and Arafat hated each other!
4. Hizbollah is NOT muslim brotherhood as Hizbollah is Shia and Muslim brotherhood is Sunni and they hate each other!
So you have based a long post on false facts and posted pics of shia muslims and claim they are Muslim Brotherhood...you need to learn how to lie if you want to spread zionist propaganda succesfully!
Originally posted by Moonsouljah
reply to post by Steam
I am making the choice to not engage in this debate out of principle. Quality source material has little to no place on ATS. Instead, youtube videos and opinion pieces reign supreme.
It is well known the Nazi's collaborated with Arab militias. But what Skyfloating has extrapolated from such realties is not fact but very skewed and uneducable opinion. Consider how many will treat this very OP as their main reference for information on these historical topics as true and correct. It's really sad and pathetic.
So no, I won't engage in this debate any more than I already have.