Here are are just two example quotes of those who say yes:

Evolution is just as compatible with the existence of a deity as heliocentrism....

That is why so many Christians accept the truth of evolution. It is also why acceptance of it is official doctrine in the Roman Catholic church. Are people who accept evolution not to be considered Christians by your estimate?

What do you think? Are they both correct?

Here's my take:

I agree with the statements above only for those who were misled, whose faith's were corrupted and not solidly founded on the Truth. Watch/consider this simple test: you can tell right away where they stand – mention the Bible, the Holy Scriptures and they will right away go on attack mode. They will come up with so many excuses to disregard and disparage the Bible. Belittle it and treat it as merely just a book written by as they love to say it here “goat herders” and not as it is truly is The Word of God – the Truth.

Why the adverse effect? IMHO, because it destroys the very foundation of evolution, it annihilates their ENTIRE belief system. It shows it what it really is a mere set of belief. A phylosophy if not a psuedo-science based on nothing with no real foundation, no real meaning and with no real purpose in the end. Above all it puts them in direct contradiction with the Bible and it's author - God.

(note: real science that inhance our lives and helps us understand the awesome universe is not the issue here but psuedo-science.)

Now please consider just this simple analysis:

If God used evolution to make men from beasts or directed bacteria to develop into fish and then to continue developing through reptiles and mammals, so that finally a race of apes (common ancestor) became humans. Then how can they reconcile these Bible verses.

(The creation of the first humans Adam and Eve)

“And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” – Gen 1:27

Jesus Christ confirmed it by quoting it.

In reply he said: “Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female.” – Matthew 19:4

The physician Luke verified it through genealogy: Luke 3: 23-38. Confirmed that Adam was a real person just as Jesus is a real person.

Furthermore, Jesus himself, when he commenced [his work], was about thirty years old, being the son, as the opinion was,
of Joseph,
[son] of He′li,
24 [son] of Mat′that,
[son] of Le′vi,
[son] of Mel′chi,
[son] of Jan′na·i,
[son] of Joseph,
…

38 [son] of E′nosh,
[son] of Seth,
[son] of Adam,
[son] of God.

There are many more verses but the ones quoted above should be more than enough to prove my point.

Thus from the time they were created they (Adam and Eve) were perfect and beautiful in every way endowed with very impressive statures and thinking abilities possessing the attributes (image) of their Creator such as love, wisdom, power and justice.

In other words they were not a brute ugly creature as depicted by evolution.

So based on just this one simple analysis just an ounce of common sense tells you that evolution is truly incompatible with Biblical Creation (not creationism or ID).

Only someone who was misled, whose faith was corrupted and not founded on the Truth that one will fall victim to it.

And last but not least. If you still INSIST that they compatible, please answer this one simple question:

What would Jesus say if he was asked the question: Is evolution compatible with Biblical Creation?

I know what he will say but what about you?


Ty,
edmc2

Note: this thread was created so as not to derail an active thread.
I will continue the conversation here in order to reply to my last post on that thread.

I believe it can be compatible with CREATION not the bible. All a creator would have to do is set things in motion, after all he can see the end from the beginning..

Im a little confused... what exactly is your question?

The theories of evolution are based on scientific methods and empirical research. Observation and measuring of the ongoing genetical and organic process of adaption/variation/mutation.
Its basically modern biology... based on measurable facts, aka "the truth".

Creationism on the other hand is a religios motivated belief and directly rejects scientific research, bares arguments or facts and even contradicts known facts (like in this fundamentalist young-earth fantasy).
Its religion - and no, quoting the bible is no scientific approach.

Those two are definitely incompatible.

Then we have this rotten compromise called "Theistic evolution".
Its like an approach towards modern science by the catholic church and other religious groups, trying not to look too out of touch imo.
Theistic evolution makes the least sense to me: The allmighty spacegod created everything perfect but nature is still improving it.
This concept is both, rejecting science AND its not even supported by the bible, more specifically, it opposes the central biblical teachings.
Fundamentalists call it blasphemy, Scientists call it just more BS.
Creation and Evolution are too divergent to find a compromise.

My post might come across like a rant but thats not what Im trying to do here.

My take is you just have to choose one:
Either pick Science with its empirical methods
OR pick Religion and just believe in whatever you want to believe.

PS: Jesus would probably say: "What is this bible-thingy you are talking about?"

you should check out the site of Rupert Sheldrake, hes a sort of flip side Dawking. see what you think.

atheism is a science based comfort faith. check out Rupert Sheldrake for differing ideas about evolution and how it may work [or may not work].

in theory,everything IS created. after all,we all came from the very same source: the big bang. atheists are usually rebelling against a strict religious upbringing and are thus too blinkered.

They are compatible.

From an all knowing creators point of view everything was created the moment the first atom was sent bouncing about the void, not just theoretically, but everything would immediately be perceived (ie. send the atom off and an all knowing, all seeing being would immediately perceive everything to follow, being unlimited by time).

Originally posted by edmc^2

Thus from the time they were created they (Adam and Eve) were perfect and beautiful in every way endowed with very impressive statures and thinking abilities possessing the attributes (image) of their Creator such as love, wisdom, power and justice.

I actually agree with you that it's incompatible IF you takes things literally. I need to ask you though, do you really believe the above quote? Cause we know that's not what happened, the human fossil record is so incredibly complete, there's no doubt we evolved from ape-like creatures.

Look, if your argument against evolution is "evolution contradicts creationism and I therefore don't believe in it"...then no facts will ever convince you. You have officially closed your eyes and ears to reality in favor of a man-made fantasy world that doesn't reflect reality. If it makes you happy, no worries, everyone has the right to be happy....

But you come on here challenging science and reality, a fight you cannot win. Facts, evidence, and truth will always trump blind belief in the longrun. Just like we now don't believe fire was made by gods like cavemen believed because we have the facts and evidence to know how it works. The same is true with what life started. Just because scientifically we don't have a definite theory for abiogenesis yet doesn't mean you can fill that gap in knowledge with a mythical creature. You're essentially acting like a caveman.

Not only do I think evolution is compatible with Creation, I also think all of the religions could be the direct outcome of evolution. That ~97-98% of "junk" DNA could contain every sacred book, holy vision, work of art, invention, discovery, etc. ever conceived by man.

Everyones gonna hate it when im right.... Gook luck with the next few years.

Although the begining is obviously abiogenisis and from there evolution through natural selection does the rest. Its not out of the realm of possibility that one day this planet will change enough that humans will have to leave and allow the next species to evolve. Its also possible that humanity may go to other worlds and bring with them their genetic designer furbies who when left behind would rule the planet with an iron fist.

Its also not out of the realm of possiblity for a trillion trillion years from now for humanity to be using networks of machines that stretch trillions of light years to move stars and planets.... Beyond that what form would humanity take when looked at from a larger perspective..... a single celled organism?

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Its also not out of the realm of possiblity for a trillion trillion years from now for humanity to be using networks of machines that stretch trillions of light years to move stars and planets.... Beyond that what form would humanity take when looked at from a larger perspective..... a single celled organism?

What if trillions of years ago, stars and planets formed a network that stretched trillions of light years to create and move humanities?