I can't beleive this... the ACLU is out of thier mindss

RICHMOND, Virginia (AP) -- A lawsuit filed Tuesday challenges a new state law that effectively bans nude summer camps for teenagers, saying it violates the constitutional right to privacy.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued in federal court to keep the state from shutting down a no-clothing camp for juveniles in late July at the White Tail Park nudist camp in Ivor.

The law was passed in March in response to a weeklong residential camp for 11- to 18-year-olds last June at White Tail. It was the first in Virginia and only the third such au naturel camp for juveniles in the nation, according to the American Association of Nude Recreation.

www.cnn.com...

The law, which takes effect Thursday, denies a state license to "any hotel, summer camp or campground ... that maintains, or conducts as any part of its activities, a nudist camp for juveniles." It defines the camps as those attended by "openly nude juveniles" not accompanied by parents or legal guardians.

Similar youth camps have been held in Florida and Arizona, according to the American Association of Nude Recreation, with which White Tail is affiliated.

Can you beleive what you just read ? I cannot. I'm a parent of a 12 year old girl. I would NEVER, NEVER allow this.

I can't even start listing the reasons why this is wrong. Do parents want thier kids to learn about the "birds & bees" this way ? That's exactly what would happen.

Not to mention that an 18 year old ADULT, seeing MINORS in the nude !!!

So ATS parents, would you allow you kids ages 11-18 attend this camp ?

No...but apparently some one else would. And though I loathe the ACLU, I'm figuring that the existence of such a camp is in some way connected with some group of really weird people who nonetheless have the right to be really weird.

Long story short, if there is some "movement" out there to raise your kids as naturalists - which means that being naked doesn't have the same degree of erotica that it would with a child raised in a "clothing not optional" family, I guess they ought to have the right to have nudey-camps for their kids...whatever!

But, as a parent, I think the parents of these kids are dumb as stumps. I have no problem with naturalists...but this is throwing common sense out the window.


[edit on 7-1-2004 by Valhall]

[edit on 2004-7-2 by Teknik]

openly putting your MINOR children in situations where hormones and urges can take over is not what parents should be doing.

Yes I understand that if a "kid" wants to have sex, they'll find a way and do it, but, this is just opening the door to "letting" it happen.

Not to mention the possibility of "peepers" getting close to the camps, armed with cameras and the next thing you know, you're kids pictures are all over the net at child pornography.

I wonder if the ACLU would change their mind on this if a few of the "teens" ended up pregnant from attending one of these camps.

I don't see it as telling people how to live thier lives, but come on, use some common sense, you don't allow children / kids / teens to run around eachother "nakked" all day !!!!

and we wonder why the rest of the world hates us? we dont need another law. what we need is common sense. dont take your kids to a nudist camp...derrrr....it amazes me. you need a license to drive, a license to fish, but any idiot can make a baby, and its ok! we dont have the right to tell them how to raise their kids? please....

[edit on 2004-7-4 by Teknik]

People, you must understand being nude is not taboo or erotic for these people. The kids have grown up naked all their lives and are not like someone who was raised clothed. To a person who sees clothes as a need to have item, you may think a bunch of kids running around naked is just letting the kids have sex and nothing else. But the kids grew up naked, they always were naked, they are just going to a camp naked. It isn't about being naked, it is about being free. So yes to us that wear clothes year round and think anything naked is taboo and erotic, kids running around naked is wrong. But to the kids and parents of those kids there is nothing wrong or taboo or erotic about being naked. "It is the way we are born into this world, it is how we should live."A nudist of some sorts. Now I I was to go around and see a hot girl naked, then yes there would be something erotic about it for I live in a world where nakedness is taboo and not common. But for the nudists there is no difference.

Now as said if they were to walk around your neighborhood trying to get your kids signed up, well, then there is a problem. But if the camp and lifestyle is not affecting you, then shove it! I find it sad I am the first to bring this fact up. The fact that being naked does not lead to sex if you are naked all the time. To nudists, as said, nakedness is not erotic or taboo like it is for people who wear clothes, it is their lifestyle. Now for us clothe wearing people, it is erotic and taboo to think about walking around, talking, eating, playing baseball, sailing, so forth, naked, but for nudists it isn't, that is life.

Nudists dont run around with big stiffies. If these kids were raised around nudist lifestyles, then I dont see whats wrong with a nudist summer camp. They arent gonna get excited and start screwing like rabbits. These kids are used to it, and it sounds like the councilers are also nudists.

Id not let my kids, if I had them, go to a nudist camp, because Im not a nudist, nor would i raise my kids as such, but, different strokes for different folks.

that camp sounds like one weird place, and if i had kids, i wouldn't let them come within 10 miles of it. BUT, like some others have posted already, it's not uncle sams' right to say people can't be weird (so long as no one is being forced into these camps, which i don't think is the case). it's up to parents to do the parenting in america, not the government, and i'm glad the ACLU feels this way too.

-koji K.

See, we wouldn't let our kids(if we had them) go, but that is because we are not nudists. I for once in my miserable experience called life agree with the ACLU. Skadi is correct, saying the same thing I did with a little less uh, class? I don't think I can find stiffies in the dictionary.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
See, we wouldn't let our kids(if we had them) go, but that is because we are not nudists. I for once in my miserable experience called life agree with the ACLU. Skadi is correct, saying the same thing I did with a little less uh, class? I don't think I can find stiffies in the dictionary.

It's not as if people are being raped and molested. It's not an orgy camp. It doesn't bother them, it doesn't bother me. And I too am someone who 80% or more of the time disagrees with the ACLU.

[edit on 1-7-2004 by Eastern_Diamondback]

Well, fi you cant find stiffy oin the dictionary, James, try boner, maypole, or Senior Woodrow. If none of the above can be found, it is clear the religous right has seized all dictionary production in the US!

Normally i cant stand the ACLU, especially when they support the TRULY sick bastards like NAMBLA, but on this, Im with them. Parents have a right to be strange, and raise thier kids in thier strange way, so long as those strange ways dont include, physical, emotional, or sexual abuse or neglect, which is not the case here.

If the kids were raised to be nude around others, then the camp should be allowed. I read some where that, over time they become used to seeing everyone nude and the men would not get erections over seeing other girls nude.

However no parent in a normal neighborhood, where clothing is mandatory should send their kids to a nudist camp. Ones who do that should be slapped upside the head.

Though, at ages 11-18 it is kinda weird. I mean a horny, hormone raging 17 year old guy, in the same place as a 11 year old girl? Something like that is too wrong for pubescent children.

I have no problem with nudists. I loathe the ACLU but they do have a point on this, thats the way these children were raised. But the ACLUE supporting sickos like NAMBLA is just wrong.

But it isn't a 17 year old hormonal kid around a 11 year old. It is a 17 year old nudist around a 11 year old nudist. And yes, if you beleive in clothes mandatory and send your kid to this, you need to be smacked. And NAMBLA is horrible and the ACLU is just as bad for supporting it, but NAMBLA has the right to exist in this country as long as they don't do what they say they want, and that is to become catholic preists.(rape little boys) Now if NAMBLA just wanted to get together and have a circle jerk(find that in the dictionary) while thinking about little boys, then you should let them for they are doing nothing illegal. We are not christians, we do not believe thought is a sin or illegal. You can think all you want, just don't do it.

Edited part. Elevate, where are you? Or did you just put this up to see what people would say?

[edit on 1-7-2004 by James the Lesser]

OMG!!! There might be kissing and sex at summer camp??? Call the president! I take it some of you didn't go to a summer camp. Lots of sex and the ones I went too were not nudist camps.

Has anyone seen the average teenage girl walking around lately? I think the whole US is a nudist camp.

Seriously, if this is their lifestyle and the children do not object to going to the camp then what is the problem? It's not like this is a new thing. They are nudist and nudist camps are legal in the USA. This is just a summer camp for teens that happen to also come from nudist families.


[edit on 1-7-2004 by zerotime]

Hey there always the chance that one of the older kids may take advantage of a younger one. But overall, if thats their lifestyle running around nude and their used to hit let 'em.

Zero, I do look at the average teenage girl walking around and pleased to say who needs a nudist camp?

Anyways, I think we can agree that hey, that is the lifestyle of the nudist, they lived with it all their lives, why would they all of a sudden become sex fiends?

YEAH BABY mommy i wanna go to that camp!!!!!
(come on guys and gals gimme a break im 12!!!!)
but yeah if i had kids i wouldnt let them go.
but if they went for a peek i wouldnt mind

imo its more erotic to have the woman partially clothed, say in a tight string bikini than running around boobs aflapping. i say let them have their nudie camp.

Originally posted by Valhall

But, as a parent, I think the parents of these kids are dumb as stumps. I have no problem with naturalists...but this is throwing common sense out the window.

[edit on 7-1-2004 by Valhall]

Val, I fully agree with your above statment and don't like it on bit! CommmonSense does not take kindly to being thrown out the window!