"How I Went Through TSA Security Without Being Scanned or Touched"

Originally posted by pianopraze
I am very impressed by his civil disobedience. How long until it's illegal to record the TSA in action do you think?

There are a bunch of articles out today about cameras being confiscated. I was waiting for the wire-tapping charge to be levied at him - then they could have gotten serious about abusing his rights.

reply to post by Calender


The past few days I have been wondering what brought on the new procedures. The Christmas Day "bomber"? Almost a year ago. The printer "bombs"? Cargo. Plus none of these flights orginated in the US. So why extra security now?

Then I saw this yesterday:

U.S. intelligence has picked up terrorists discussing the use of prosthetic or medical devices to conceal explosives, sources tell ABC News.

Source

Really?!? Seems too perfect that this information gets released AFTER people with disabilities start getting humiliated. Besides, if their goal is to give extra screening to people with disabilities, seems they could have gone about it alittle better. Spun it as "extra care" to make them "more comfortable" with private screenings and better information upfront. But they probably saw that as 'tipping their hand'.

I also think that if there is a credible threat, they should release that intel. But the fear could have been people avoiding flying. I guess they figure stripping Americans of their rights is better then lost airline profits.

Originally posted by ararisq

Originally posted by pianopraze
I am very impressed by his civil disobedience. How long until it's illegal to record the TSA in action do you think?

There are a bunch of articles out today about cameras being confiscated. I was waiting for the wire-tapping charge to be levied at him - then they could have gotten serious about abusing his rights.

And here's a video of that!


From the YouTube info:

While legally filming a TSA enhanced screening pat-down at Nashville International Airport I was confronted by an Airport Police Officer and told to stop filming. The officer later removed my iPhone from my hands, despite my protests, saying "I don't need a warrant."

When TSA officials told him I was within my rights to shoot footage of the checkpoint, he gave the phone back to me. As I was leaving, TSA agents insisted that I could not show the footage without their permission, which is false.

This occurred at Nashville International Airport in Nashville, Tenn., Monday November 22, 2010. at 5:30pm CT.

Originally posted by OneisOne
This guy did a great job!!!

But it does bring up a very interesting question. Why all the security POST flight.

He was headed home from his flight, not getting back on a plane to another destination. If the TSA is truly only trying to keep passengers safe, why have exit security? I think this just goes to show there is something else going on with these new procedures.

Now you must clear security to LEAVE the airport, makes no sense.

Did you not read the entirety of the post/blog? He was returning from Europe. No different than crossing the Canadian or Mexican border to get back into the US. One is always potentially subject to additional screening upon re-entry to the States.

Good for this guy, but rest assured, if enough people use this technique, TSA will be allowed exemption from the "laws" to carry on with this ridiculousness called "safety. "

reply to post by surfinguru

I read the entire post, twice. I understand he was coming home from an overseas trip, but the security he faced getting on the plane was not good enough to let him out of the airport? Seems insane!!

reply to post by OneisOne


This is one of the things I actually DO understand!

Why should an American airport trust the security of a foreign airport? What if a passenger originated in Yemen, and stayed in secure areas until eventually reaching here? What if the target wasn't the plane, but some target within the States?

I don't agree with all the plans or methods, but I actually agree that anyone entering the US should be thoroughly searched.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by OneisOne

 

This is one of the things I actually DO understand!

Why should an American airport trust the security of a foreign airport? What if a passenger originated in Yemen, and stayed in secure areas until eventually reaching here? What if the target wasn't the plane, but some target within the States?

I don't agree with all the plans or methods, but I actually agree that anyone entering the US should be thoroughly searched.

I used to think that as well.

But upon further reflection, if a person lands peacefully at a US airport from another country, obviously they aren't a terrorist otherwise the plane never would have made it here.

Thus, the people entering the US are the last people we should be concerned with searching.

Further, the US Constitution was created to protect the rights of individual citizens. Those rights do not suddenly disappear because a person decided to travel overseas.

The most the government should be able to do is check their IDs to ensure they are actually citizens. If they are, then the 4th amendment applies.

reply to post by Calender
And that is what we should all do in the same situation,especially if traveling with small to teenage children,if threatened with arrest I would have my lawyer on the phone as well.
I think it's time to play hard ball people,time to stop these people from taking what little rights we have left.The tsa is nothing but criminals,if we don't do it now they'll be nothing to stop them in the future.

reply to post by mnemeth1


But even US citizens can be criminals and terrorists. There is a lot of danger in returning from a foreign country. Are they a spy or operative? Are they a terrorist? Are they bringing diseased plants or animals? Are they bringing illegal drugs? Are they bringing non-native plants or parasites, etc., etc.

I am a US citizen, and I was actually concerned at how little security I went through upon my return. It would be a BREEZE to meet some cohorts on some Caribbean Island, collect some contraband, weapons, drugs, explosives or whatever, take them onto a Cruise ship, and then bring them back into the US. No problem, no risk whatsoever!

I actually interviewed with the CIA a couple of times, and I eventually got screened out due to my young family. I think they need more "forward thinkers" in our Intelligence Agencies! Instead of putting entire budgets in preventing what already happened, why are they not being proactive and hiring people to plan what "could" happen? Why not prevent the NEXT attack, instead of overreacting to the Last one?

The thing that upsets me the most, is the amount of paranoia that is illustrated by all this "security". I see the eerie reflection of J.E. Hoover's Communist-hunt that wrecked so many people's lives, gave police, FBI, CIA far-reaching power and was close to turning The States into a Soviet-style police-state. At the moment we are, again, dangerously close to said police-state.

Hoovers' institutional paranoia is still echoing today in the older generation that gets a knee-jerk panic reaction if "Communism" or "Socialism " is mentioned. Heck, even my Grand-Parents were totally scared I'd turn a Commie, the moment I got a job in Europe. They were TRULY scared for my well being.

I am just lucky that my family lives close to the Canadian border, so I have the luxury to be able to fly via Canada..never had a search when getting off the plane..

Does anyone know where I can get a realistic looking mouse skeleton? I have a funny place to put it before I walk though the xray machine.

Think Lemiewinks or Richard Gear.

Finally someone with enough sense to challenge these criminals. Imagine if just 10% of people tried to do this. It goes to show that we DO have a voice and we must exercise it. Granted most people will just conform and lay down like the usual sheeple, but we must stand up for what is right. We all know that the things taking place in our country are UNCONSTITUTIONAL yet we don't seem to care. In NYC illegal search and seizures is a common occurrence nowadays. O the big bad terrorists...the message on the trains goes a little something like this, "Ladies and gentlemen if you have a bag or stroller you may be subject to random searches by the NYPD" or something to that effect. You want to the know the crazy thing? These cops setup tables in the "ghetto" area train stations of NYC and just pull random people for searches. Ef the patriot act..Ef the TSA..and Ef the totalitarian tyrannical government. I'm sorry I'm just fed up with all the BS that goes on in this country. Also states passing laws deeming it illegal to film a police officer on duty, but it's okay for the citizens to be filmed with their dashboard cameras and all the other cameras we pass everyday. When will enough be enough ATS? Is violence the answer? Is peace the answer? Protesting? I wish I knew where to start because I'm lost.

reply to post by OneisOne


I agree, and there is most definitely more going on here than what meets the eye.

reply to post by getreadyalready


" Are they a spy or operative? Are they a terrorist? Are they bringing diseased plants or animals?"

A naked body scan or physical molestation will not stop terrorists or spies from entering the country.

Further, consider that several billions of dollars of coc aine come into this country illegally every year followed by millions of immigrants and you will suddenly realize that naked body scanning returning US citizens is a joke.

Any state sponsored spy or terrorist isn't going to land at a US airport, and if they do, they aren't going to be engaging in any activity that would cause a body scan or pat down to expose them.

Security should only be concerned with people boarding flights, not getting off of them.

reply to post by JonInMichigan


Just take some cues from Jackass


Skip ahead to about the 4 min mark

reply to post by mnemeth1

A naked body scan or physical molestation will not stop terrorists or spies from entering the country.

I agree. The measures are ineffective and intrusive and unneeded. I was stating that if there was anywhere that a search was appropriate, then it would be searching people entering the country.

As you say, it is not effective, so why are we doing it at all? These searches should not be done to anyone!

reply to post by Calender


I am wondering,out of curiousity, if one was to be wearing very tight pants (you know the leggins they wear nowadays) that had no pockets, the tightest tank top you could find and no bra, Would they still need to grope you I mean, after all wth would you be hiding something then?
Or would this lead to a orifice search???

reply to post by ldyserenity


Supposedly that would preclude you from the search. They are targeting women in skirts and loose shirts because they can't see the contours of the body to tell if something is hidden. I think it is BS, because what if the Boobs are prosthetics full of explosives?

It would be interesting to see if they did search you after stating their reasoning behind the other searches.

reply to post by Calender


This is a good start to motivate people to stand up for themselves. There is still a lingering issue here with the fact he had to spend 2.5 hours technically detained while these tools figure out how they are going to handle the situation. I call them tools because that's exactly what they are, tools of enforcement that ultimately goes against their own better judgment as I couldn't imagine any of the police officers or TSA agents being cool with their kids having to be subject to a strangers touch.

If they were educated on the lack of definite information,data regarding the x-ray machines they would be hesitant to send their children through that as well. But alas something tells me they aren't and they could care less, and THAT is why the got the job and continue to show up to the job.

The guy that bypassed this, basically bypassed a "nerfed" check anyhow as they already knew he had been searched prior to boarding the plane he obviously just got off of. He also admitted he was searched prior because he was concerned about making his flight, so this tells the officers and TSA that he has been through the "screen" already so letting him through this part probably wasn't such a huge ordeal.

I don't particularly believe that if anyone tried this same maneuver with the same patience and calm as he did would be as successful. I'm pretty sure if you pulled this prior to getting on a plane, they would just simply not let you get on the plane and then detain you for very vague reasons of suspicion via refusal. Now suddenly you have had several hours of your life rerouted because you chose to stand up for your rights to be innocent before proven guilty.

I'm glad this guy had the situation to be as patient as he was to get through like he did, however majority of people have a life to get back to and shouldn't be forced to groping and xray bbq to get back to that life in a timely fashion.

The whole TSA policy is the most blatant disregard for constitutional rights, common sense, and safety and security. It should be completely obvious to anyone who is able to clearly analyze the situation to see they aren't concerned about safety, they are concerned about conditioning for control.

I didn't believe it he was forced into screening afterlanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heres a newl ow!from the website:
"This past Sunday, I was returning from a trip to Europe. I flew from Paris to Cincinnati, landing in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

As I got off my flight, I did all of the things that are normally requested from U.S. citizens returning from abroad. I filled out the customs declarations, confirmed that I hadn’t set foot on any farmland, and answered questions about the chocolates that I had purchased in Switzerland. While I don’t believe that these questions are necessary, I don’t mind answering them if it means some added security. They aren’t particularly intrusive. My passport was stamped, and I moved through customs a happy citizen returning home.

But wait – here was a second line to wait in.

This new line led to a TSA security checkpoint. You see, it is official TSA policy that people (both citizens and non-citizens alike) from international flights are screened as they enter the airport, despite the fact that they have already flown. Even before the new controversial security measures were put in place, I found this practice annoying. But now, as I looked past the 25 people waiting to get into their own country, I saw it: the dreaded Backscatter imaging machine.
WTF?