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N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by peter_kandra


If you have an issue with the sanctions, take it up with the UN.


UN was created for the DOGS to wage war without any accountability.

US can start war anywhere in the world without any accountability, that is exactly why UN was created, to keep the DOGS safe, so the DOGS don't get angry and destroy humanity through a nuclear holocaust




posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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reply to post by Romantic_Rebel
 

Spend two minutes in the sandbox and get back to me.
See if your views change any.

Yes. I was in the sandbox. THREE TIMES. Get back at me once you have a pot to piss in.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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What do you mean by "sandbox"? I'm a Liberal Capitalist. Trust me if war was to break out it would already be happening. How long does it take?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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Though I do agree with what your saying here, you too should take a look at recent history. The Liberals make no mistake about their disdain for the US Military. Look at what they have recently done, with base closures, tying their hands, micromanagement, how they give aid to the enemy by giving them constitutional rights, prosecuting its own Military Service Members... Can you really say "In it to win it?"
Has the government built up the military and respected it. Or have they cursed it and tried to destroyed it.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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The Gulf. Combat. You would piss yourself.
Second line.

I also caught you said they brought it. What exactly did they bring? The Dear Leader is going to get his people slaughtered wholesale. Do you understand we just activated the 23 F-22 Raptors? Those alone could DESTROY, the ENTIRE defense system. Follow up with a hefty dose of Stealth Bombers, Followed by the traditional F-16's, F-15's, and cruise buzz bombs, and a floating city. AKA a carrier or 3... F/A 18 Super Hornets... Submarines, and anything else I am forgetting. Kim Dum arse ILL in the head, is about to get the butt whippin of a life time.

At least he gets to be a martyr?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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China is arming... fast. And it's causing problems... reducing US military options.

Sale Of Russian Fighters To China Undermines Gates Decision On F-22

China has acquired advanced air superiority and strike aircraft from Russia while simultaneously focusing on domestic production of ever-better aircraft.

"Today many, but not all, of China's fighters can fire beyond-visual-range missiles." The report goes on to warn about the growth of China’s air defense capabilities. China now has "one of the world's best ground-based air defense networks” and, “would pose a difficult challenge for even the most modern air forces in the region.”

Had Secretary Gates decided to go with the Air Force’s proposal to acquire some 332 F-22s the situation today would be very different. Without an adequate F-22 fleet, the F-35 became the defense department’s most important modernization program.

Reducing US military options if Korea were to go to war... and certainly upping US fighters getting shot down by a lot. Just imagine if the US had hundreds of F-22 right now instead of a dozen F-35s? Yeah.

It's in Russian... :
China requests AL-117S engine, S-400 system from Russia

But the export of S-400 systems is only possible after 2017, because of production limits, and because they have to enter service with Russia first.


S-400s can shoot down any US airplane and US cruise missiles and US ballistic missiles...that we know of.
edit on 23-11-2010 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by bigyin
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Correct me if I'm wrong but last time the USA ventured into NK is when China crossed over to NK and beat them back.





Ahh yes of course but im not saying we should put a ton of troops on the ground. Instead just take out some key military buildings to show them their bullying will not be tolerated. We let the little pest that is North Korea get away with too much. I think it would be smart to teach them a lesson.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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Well I'm going into the military. I have relatives in the Marines, Army and Navy. I understand where you're coming from on this topic. Yet you don't see how difficult a war with North Korea would be. Two or one current war in the Middle East. Politics, propaganda on both sides of the fence, the economy, trying to work with other nations and communicate with our troops. I just hopes this doesn't turn into another Vietnam. We're totally unprofessional in that war.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by oozyism

Originally posted by peter_kandra


If you have an issue with the sanctions, take it up with the UN.


UN was created for the DOGS to wage war without any accountability.

US can start war anywhere in the world without any accountability, that is exactly why UN was created, to keep the DOGS safe, so the DOGS don't get angry and destroy humanity through a nuclear holocaust


I must have been sleeping in history class that day back in 1984 during World History class

So Russia and China being permanent members of the Security Council is just for show?
I've seen you butt heads with lots of other members in this thread as well as others. Since you seem to have all the answers, how would you propose we solve the SK/NK issue as well as all the worlds other problems?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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Sun Tzu.
"Ch.6 Weak Points & Strong/Illusion and Reality explains how your opportunities come from the openings in the environment caused by the relative weakness of your enemy in a given area." -Wiki

The South were in training near the north at the time. The North took exception and knew that they could get away with firing some "love rounds" at the south. This directly after releasing info about the new reactor etc. It's PsyOps and gets people talking, makes people "fear them".

No war here, but when you hear of virtually all the 18k artillery going off followed by the immobilization of the 4500 tanks and then the Military movement in a Blitzkreig style thrust, you know it's on.

Also

The six stratagems. -China
Chapter 3: Attacking Stratagems
Stomp the grass to scare the snake
Do something unaimed, but spectacular ("hitting the grass") to provoke a response of the enemy ("startle the snake"), thereby giving away his plans or position, or just taunt him.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by 1FutureMarine1
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All I got was porn. That makes me
. No, but seriously that ain't cool.


If you really saw porn, I'm not hitting the link, use the alert button to alert a mod, it's a serious issue joking aside.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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St. Petersburg, Russia - China and Russia have decided to renounce the US dollar and resort to using their own currencies for bilateral trade, Premier Wen Jiabao and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin announced late on Tuesday. Chinese experts said the move reflected closer relations between Beijing and Moscow and is not aimed at challenging the dollar, but to protect their domestic economies.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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If America gets involved in korean conflict they should take into consideration what happend last time.(cut and run) I hope that America has the resorces to commit to another conflict and it doesnt deteriate the US economy further and the american peoples quality of life . [ maybe time to invest in more money printing machines]



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by kyrebelyell2004
I think some just under estimate the capability of the united states. So we may not have the biggest army in the world. But what we do have is:

1. One of the highest skilled military, if not the highest of all [very high accuracy of each shot fired].
2. "Spec Ops & Black Op" teams as well as the inside CIA agents for inside information of current activities.
3. The highest defense budget of the entire world.
4. NATO[Of which united states is a major part of]
5. Nuclear capability stronger than any other nation. [North Korea fires 1 nuke? In return they will be hit by 20 if necessary]
6. And as we all know, the U.S. has many, many advanced things that only a few people know about.

This is pure opinion with relevant facts to support each claim that can be found simply by doing a google search.


Ok here is what most people get wrong...Why even worry about any other country? Sure some generals come out and say we are worried about china and so on, but this is a tactic only used to gain more funding. In reality they know their are no future wars probably with any other organized Military. Yes a threat is out there, but the only peoples we will be fighting are terrorists/rogue militant groups. America is too large to be invaded and no other country has the naval capabilities to invade us. Everyone seems so worried about china and there 1.4 billion people and 200 million man army. Lol 99% of that army could care less about conflict than they do about having a place and title within there society. Look at Chinese history...Under Mao chinese fighters switched sides as often as the momentum changed. And anyone who really thinks china will ruin their economic future by striking the US is an idiot. So here's a recap. China's navy does not have the ability to launch any sort of invasion and China does not pose a risk anyway for fear of risking their economic future. It's a culture that has struggled for a long time.

Also, fine NK has nukes, but they have no delivery system. Even if they did the US has capabilities to shoot any out of the sky and a retaliation Nuke is the last thing NK would want to deal with. It's well known that Kim and his son very much want to live as Americans and Europeans live admiring the fancy cars and technology. They act hard, because they have to so they can keep their slaves in line and believing that they are the greatest country on Earth lol.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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Well I think its about time you use those stealth bombers on his nuclear power and centrifuge plants,these have been developed purely with the intention of creating a nuclear arsenal,what North Korea has not got yet is sophisticated rocketry to deliver warheads accurately or that can hit the US yet but Im sure they're working on it so you might want to take out their rocket factories also.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by peter_kandra


I must have been sleeping in history class that day back in 1984 during World History class

So Russia and China being permanent members of the Security Council is just for show?
I've seen you butt heads with lots of other members in this thread as well as others. Since you seem to have all the answers, how would you propose we solve the SK/NK issue as well as all the worlds other problems?


Are you suggesting Russia and China are not DOGS?

Russia was heavily involved in the cold war, the UN saved us from a nuclear holocaust, that is the only thing it is good for.

Do you think the world can sanction US/Russia/China... and other DOGS who are playing with little countries for their own interests? Risking millions of lives, literally millions in the process>?

What is the solution to N and S?

The eviction of US military bases.

That way N and S can work towards a peace treaty.

I for one believe the US is the only obstacle to peace:

U.S., South Korea Reject North's Peace Treaty Demand

and I for one believe sanction is an act of war, if US and its proxy state wants war, then it shouldn't play the victim when it is attacked.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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DOGS?

What does that stand for?

Or are you being a tad racist?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Ok because this a U.N originally sanctioned Truce
Now that INDIA is the NEWEST member of the Security Council how are they going to vote??
Of course Canada would have voted restraint ie: peace keepers, but they just lost their seat to India.
Soooooo???
Will this even have an effect on the U.N decision?
Curiouser and curiouser,,



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by BobAthome

Am i wrong?


I don't know, what did you say?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
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DOGS?

What does that stand for?

Or are you being a tad racist?


DOGS, they have no sense of humanity.

Just ask their victims




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