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N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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reply to post by Komodo3
 


Ummm NK has claimed they fired on SK,how can the US be involved?




posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by thecinic
The video was calling it rockets boon dock... Some news was calling them morter fire, let me get some different links. They are calling the *ammunition used*??? different things,

the 2 articles I read and the video I got that grab from
all claim it was artillery. It's not. It's a rocket.
I'm trying to find out if it's a NK rocket or a US
rocket. These type rockets can be fired from
US Navy Destroyers too.
There is no plume on this rocket. So it was in
freefall after burnout.


I beg to differ this artillery fire looks like long slender shells also and look as the damage that north korea has used it is ARTILLERY FIRE

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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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According to the updates two of the soldiers have died. Eighteen are wounded.

This has to be scary for the citizens.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Res Ipsa
How about showing us a picture without that "projectile" in the shot.

u got it brother



it's a rocket,
long and skinny one.
2 sets of fins
it appears
mid section and rear

fins are too small to be
a US Cruise missile,
so I'm ruling that class
out already.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Bicent76


It seems this act has cost asia, and perhaps even the World allot of Money..

This is what is concerning..


this might make it real.


There's that big picture again.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Fox news just reported that they are uncertain of the number of casualties so far. They are also referring to "Shelling". Looking at the pictures and damage - certainly doesn't look like standard artillery to me. All kind of hush, hush at the moment. Very interesting developments today and just the way that NK like to bring attention to themselves. It's a game they have been playing for a long, long time - it's the same old - SK coming back and saying one more time and we fire - then NK gives it a few months and starts again. Let us just hope the NK follows their current trend of the past few years and cuts the crap.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Mr. Boondock you need to be careful when you're playing definition games to criticize the report of reuters.

SOURCE: dictionary.reference.com...




ar·til·ler·y   
[ahr-til-uh-ree]
–noun
1. mounted projectile-firing guns or missile launchers, mobile or stationary, light or heavy, as distinguished from small arms.
2. the troops or the branch of an army concerned with the use and service of such weapons.
3. the science that treats of the use of such weapons.



and...

SOURCE: en.wikipedia.org...




Originally applied to any group of infantry primarily armed with projectile weapons, artillery has over time become limited in meaning to refer only to those engines of war that operate by projection of munitions far beyond the range of effect of personal weapons. These engines comprise specialised devices which use some form of stored energy to operate, whether mechanical, chemical, or electromagnetic.



It would seem that rockets would fall under these two definitions as being artillery. I understand that there is a difference between artillery shells and rockets, but I believe that you may be referring to guided missiles not being artillery, which they are not. However, unguided rockets used to bombard an area or surrounded structures do in fact fall under the term artillery (review definitions.)

HOWEVER, this is all besides the major point that whatever it was that was fired caused damage to homes and humans on the South Korean island. Speculation of the naming is of no consequence to the damage caused. I am not trying to attack you personally, only saying that discrediting of the term 'artillery' has no bearing on the consequences of the actions.

Now on to a more relevant topic:
China seems willing to back N Korea and the United States seems to be backing S Korea. I believe that nuclear war is a definite possibility and I know somebody quoted the assassination of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand as the beginning of World War I as being a 'small act' that led to something big. The real issue is that this is not a small act in that a minimum of 14 injuries were caused and many homes were destroyed. The tension between these two countries has been mounting since the end of the Korean War which formally separated the two and it seems we may be coming to a head. This act of malice is incredibly upsetting because I believe that N Korea is trying to make its way to the world stage by use of force, and due to necessity China is giving it formal backing. The best case scenario is for S Korea to go to the UN and ask for China to cooperate in the situation. If China refuses and continues its support of N Korea then we may very well have some serious issues on our hands (keep in mind this situation is highly likely as it has already happened before). Hopefully China and the US can let these two nations settle this on their own, but the odds of this are quite unlikely. All of this is moot speculation, however, as both governments seem bent on disproving and destroying one another. I am not predicting doom, simply highlighting its ability to reach this region. I hope a resolution can be reached, regardless of its likelihood. Anyone have any new news?

-Matthew
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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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More stunning flaws in Cheonan evidence
An experimental finding has emerged indicating that, contrary to the announcement of the Defense Ministry¡¯s Civilian-Military Joint Investigation Group (JIG), the adhesive substance found on the Cheonan and a torpedo propeller was not formed by an explosion. This is not something to be taken lightly, as it is scientifically incompatible with the government¡¯s announcement that the Cheonan was attacked with a torpedo launched by a North Korean submarine.

english.hani.co.kr...

thats a south korean paper.

The US has been lyin about the chousan all along. The odds they are telling the truth about this incident, like Iraq and wmds, and afghanistan doing 911...are NIL



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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Huge hype. Cool down. Nothing is going to happen. It was a practice firework gone awry.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by notsoperfect
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Huge hype. Cool down. Nothing is going to happen. It was a practice firework gone awry.


200 of them, I think not



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
... have you noticed how everytime the US p*sses them off, the NK start some crap?


I have to admit that unleashing the "little gargoyle" would definitely tie up some of our assets. The US military can chew gum and walk, but how many war fronts can the US really afford? Our economy is weak and our Government is almost bankrupt.


WW2 got us completely out of the great depression...who knows..might help us out to have the economy start building cans of whoopass..just so long as we don't outsource the jobs to china...that would be self defeating



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Castaway
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Ummm NK has claimed they fired on SK,how can the US be involved?


Oh, they are involved...they are always involved...nothing can happen anywhere ever without the states being the one behind it. Are you new to ATS? there is only America.




posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Maybe everything would be nicer if there was chaos. Because then people can shoot and stab all the bureaucrats and politicians they want.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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[[BBC]]

1538: US defence department spokesman Col David Lapan says no additional US military assets would be moved into the region following Tuesday's incident in South Korea. It is also "too soon" to discuss ways the US might deter North Korea from another attacks, he adds.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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I think most of us would rather see the depression continue, than profit from war. I would like to see the evidence that proves this theory. If it is true, than why is the US still in big trouble after our war in the Middle East?


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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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They did not fire into the sea as the title of the thread suggests. They fired on a South Korean island 100km off the coast of North Korea which has a population of around 1200 people. The Island has been evacuated and things have gone quiet for now.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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here is th differences in the explosion signatures.
u can tell the difference between the artillery
explosion on the left and the rocket explosion
on the right. totally different




posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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Good god Boon... You have some sort of agenda lately.. You will take a bugs bunny cartoon and turn it into a intergalactic war.. Are you on med leave in the military or something? I don't mean that disrespectfully.. But I mean like a physical injury, that require meds? Pain meds can make people act out of sorts.. I am just saying.. I have never known you to make such out rageous claims.. Part of me believes you are doing it for fun, to watch people flip out over the absurdity of your claims.

Rocket/Missles... Is there any picture that you DONT see a missile or rocket in?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by xavi1000
Artillery fire on Korean border RARE VIDEO

www.youtube.com...
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ummmmm
I hate to bring bad tidings here
but that is NOT artillery shelling
in that video. That was an explosive
device going off. I live near Bragg and have
seen artillery and that ain't it.

If they are saying that is NK shelling
the south, then we are looking at
a false flag operation pinning it on
NK. It's US Propaganda.

The US is gonna start this war and blame
it on NK as a patsy.


You are wrong I have taken a screen shot from the clear video and have captured the shell itself,


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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
[[BBC]]

1538: US defence department spokesman Col David Lapan says no additional US military assets would be moved into the region following Tuesday's incident in South Korea. It is also "too soon" to discuss ways the US might deter North Korea from another attacks, he adds.


ooh, I know...few deep cover sniper seals and sas troops should do the trick...let the country figure out what happens when kimmy and son disappears.

ok, chances are the heads would simply start launching everything they have at SK and Japan...not an option...but would be nice to think all you gotta do is take out the head and the body will fall...however, if it was that easy, I imagine it would have been done long ago.

Imagine if Iran was making moves like this...we would be breathless in "liberate them" fever.



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