N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

Dow dropped 120 at opening this morning.

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To those saying this is not serious and just another day in paradise - I think you are seriously mistaken. Nothing of this magnitude has happened since the cease fire. How should a country respond to having it's citizenry shelled, homes destroyed, people killed? I truly hope cool heads prevail - people just want to live in peace.

North Korea has condemned the annual exercise and warned they would fire shots, while South Korea has called it an exercise to enhance its military command capabilities. Observers said North Korea has strongly opposed to this exercise, an upgraded version of Team Spirit, saying that the large scale joint military exercise, including warships, air force and landing training, is aimed at attack on North Korea.

english.hani.co.kr...

I guess if china was practicing for an invasion just south of the border with mexico the US might pop a couple caps on em

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by die_another_day
Probably CIA.
US is faking this to do serious damage to NK before the economic collpase.

excellent point
I was just thinking the same thing.
All the reports are showing only
1 side of this. What is the other
side saying? Has NK denied doing
this ???

This is what NK has to say on the subject:

"The South Korean enemy, despite our repeated warnings, committed reckless military provocations of firing artillery shells into our maritime territory near Yeonpyeong island beginning 1300 (0400 GMT)," the state-run KCNA news agency quoted it as saying. The North would "continue to make merciless military attacks with no hesitation if the South Korean enemy dares to invade our sea territory by 0.001mm", it warned. "It is our military's traditional response to quell provocative actions with a merciless thunderbolt."

BBC - Koreas in border artillery clash

In my opinion this could escelate very very quickly if things like this continue. I sincerely hope it does not though.

MooseVernel

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
To quote a fav movie of mine , Tropic Thunder "I got a baaaaaaaaaad feelin about this one"

it was also in "Platoon" as well

I do think this has the potential
to go global. If war does start
u can look for the US Dollar
to crash even faster. It's only a
matter of time now.

Happy Thanksgiving.
I'll have an artillery shell
with my stuffing please, thanks

Han Solo said it first!!!!!

reply to post by xavi1000


Wow, that some crazy stuff there.

Brings the humanity to the situation! It wasn't just buildings and property being shelled.
These appear to be innocent civilians, running for their lives.

I know if that was my town, people would be up in ARMS (in Texas.....) literally. There would be a cry for retribution, damn the repercussions.

And there would be more blood spilled. Guaranteed.

I don't think an American president would be able to hold back. The people would demand a response.

I feel bad for the villagers. That one guy had a brown streak in his pants, look like he #ted himself.

Would scare the # out of me too.

North Korea is just having fun, they know that South Korea isn't doing anything, only blaming NK. Like trying how far they can go without going to war, just testing, testing and testing xD

reply to post by MegaMind


I will guess. Not a prediction the dow will tank, and the price of gold will have a record gain day...


even with the government meddling with the imaginary number scale I bet they cannot hide the truth.

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by concordant

 

I was thinking about this.

She predicted nuclear war in November 2011.

thousands of psychics predict war every single year...eventually someone is going to get it right.

reply to post by Recouper


Well, we are in agreement that we are at a loss as to what is the best course of action!

There is no good outcome of this as far as I can see it.
Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

If we go back into the 6 party talks, then NK won its objective, I guess the question with that is...is that a bad thing? Diplomacy has never worked with NK, they would say "Yeah, ok we will do that" and then turn around and the next thing you know, they are exploding underground nukes. Lil Kim is crazy, and cannot be trusted at all on anything he says. I don't know about his son who is supposed to be taking over, but from what I can see, chances are he is the same.

The potential here is loss of life on a very large scale, and quite possibly the triggerin of WW3. Is it worth it?

I'm torn here, as the deep dark part of me wants to see my worst nightmares come true, and the bright light being inside me says "Noooooooo"

Which side should I feed?

Personally, I think we should take out NK's navy in retaliation.....
I am feeding my dark side.

reply to post by infinite


And why is shellling an island any different than shelling over the border on the mainland?
As I said people are overreacting.

Also, I fully expected the conspiracy theorist nuts to be out saying America is behind it.

North Korea Times Tuesday 23rd November, 2010 (IANS) One South Korean soldier was killed and at least 13 injured Tuesday when North Korea fired artillery at a South Korean island near the two countries' border in the Yellow Sea, South Korean news reports said. Yeonpyeong island was shrouded in smoke, and its residents were fleeing by fishing boat. Television reports said civilians were also wounded. The South returned fire, targeting artillery positions on the North's coast, and also deployed fighter jets to the island, the Defence Ministry and Joint Chiefs of Staff in Seoul said. Houses on Yeonpyeong, which lies 12 km off North Korea's coast, were in flames. About 1,000 South Korean soldiers are stationed on the island, which has been a source of tension between the two neighbours because of its location and rich fishing grounds, and naval clashes have occurred nearby. South Korean President Lee Myung Bak called an emergency meeting in an underground bunker of ministers with security-related portfolios to discuss how to respond to the fire. A presidential spokesman said he urged the ministers to take measures to prevent an escalation. A Unification Ministry official told South Korea's Yonhap News Agency that the South was considering evacuating its citizens from North Korea. Relations between Seoul and Pyongyang have deteriorated this year after a South Korean warship sank in March in the Yellow Sea also near the inter-Korean border. Forty-six sailors were killed. Seoul blamed Pyongyang for their deaths, but the North has denied involvement. Colonel Lee Bung Woo, spokesman for South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff, was quoted by Yonhap as saying that the North fired dozens of rounds, some of which landed on Yeonpyeong, and the South fired 80 rounds. South Korea's military was placed on its highest peacetime alert, he said. The Blue House, South Korea's presidential home and office, said Seoul was examining whether the North fired in retaliation for a South Korean military drill taking place on the western coast and involving about 70,000 troops. Pyongyang had protested the annual exercise in a message it sent to Seoul earlier Tuesday, the Blue Housesaid.

story.northkoreatimes.com...


WOW drill with a 70000 troops ?

reply to post by Gazmeister


I find it interesting a Brit, would call any bombardment from another country, over reacting.

I am sure that if in the USA if mexico, or canada did something like this the SWHTF.


Nothing personal, I just did allot of research on WWII, and find your statement odd.

no need to explain.

Practicing for a attack they were not practicing attacking north korea they were PRACTICING... North Korea is a bunch of paranoid freaks with nukes that thinks everyone is trying to attack them when they are the one who wont chill out and keep egging things on...North Korea uses ANY reason to start stuff and even makes them up. If you believe they were practicing for attacking them don't you think they would just attack them OR ATTACK THEM NOW since North Korea started some MORE CRAP.... If this was practice for an attack on north korea then i'm your dad and your my basterd son,

Originally posted by Thebel
North Korea is just having fun, they know that South Korea isn't doing anything, only blaming NK. Like trying how far they can go without going to war, just testing, testing and testing xD

Perhaps, but nobody can tell for sure. Humans tend to be unpredictable. Think playground bullies. They are having fun too, but this ''fun'' can lead to serious consequences. Now exand this to the macroscale. Same idea.

reply to post by Regensturm


I think the Russian Foreign Minister had the most honest assesment of the situation. Red hot, and about to go White hot.

Try to blow to cool it down, it just gets hotter. Too many factors pulling on this center of gravity. War.

Drone wars anyone?

Now M1 Abrahms in Theater.

Dark clouds on the Horizon for Obama. Probably smoking more than 2 a day now, I suppose.

Hell, dark clouds for us all.

They better evacuate Seoul first, SK really doesnt want to see what the north will do within minutes to Seoul, let alone hours. With the largest artillery force in the world aimed at your capital- tread lightly and think about your next move carefully. The north would never win a sustained battle, but the initial damage would be hard to put in words

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by oozyism

 

Oozy.. Pick an appropriate thread... You do this to every thread you enter. You derail the topic with your garbage. You may have valid points on some issues... But they DO NOT corrolate with this topic. I am glad that everyone is seeing you for what you are.

Stay on topic for ONCE!!! this is about NK & SK shelling each other.. Just because you throw in the word "proxy" then switch to China/ US relations, does not mean you are on topic..

You are on Oozy topic.. Every one of your posts revert back to US and what you think... Haven't you figured it out.. Nobody cares what you think.

The previous poster is spot on.. You deffinetly ressemble a troll, more so than a contributing member. Just Sayin!

Actually, I have to sort of defend his position (which makes me feel a bit dirty..not a fan, but meh).
This is a bit bigger than just a couple small nations...if NK and SK drop the gloves and go at each other, America has to defend SK...and china has to defend NK...now, hopefully if things get really bad, we can negotiate direct with china and have china put the thumb down on NK...however, if it hits that tipping point, things could become tense between US and China simply for the stake we have

China doesn't want a war..proxy or not..however, the NK thing could force its hand if they can't control their retarded cousin.

I reckon it will tone down in a bit...I don't see this going out of control..but who knows.




the US condemned the action...that should teach em.

The North is starving, this could be an act of desperation, something along the lines of kamikadze. The situation around the world is unstable as well, which may be an additional stimulus for many ''fringers'' to test how far they can go. A vicious circle, really. If you stop one leak, two just spring out of nowhere.

Originally posted by Gazmeister
reply to post by infinite

 

And why is shellling an island any different than shelling over the border on the mainland?
As I said people are overreacting.

What does it being an island have to do with anything? Are you implying this is just an ordinary common occurrence? What specifically do you qualify as overreacting? Should the South Korean people just ignore the "crazy" man in the north?

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by Regensturm

 

I think the Russian Foreign Minister had the most honest assesment of the situation. Red hot, and about to go White hot.

Try to blow to cool it down, it just gets hotter. Too many factors pulling on this center of gravity. War.

Drone wars anyone?

Now M1 Abrahms in Theater.

Dark clouds on the Horizon for Obama. Probably smoking more than 2 a day now, I suppose.

Hell, dark clouds for us all.

There's just too many ways this can go very wrong very quick. I still wonder about China. Sure they have plausible deniability, but have you noticed how everytime the US p*sses them off, the NK start some crap?