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N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Vietnam protests China's military exercise in South China Sea

The defence exercise was carried out by China's South Sea Fleet on February 3.

This action seriously violated Vietnam's sovereignty over the archipelago, the state run newspaper Viet Nam News quoted Nguyen Phuong Nga, spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as saying.

The area is contested... some islands are... and of course China says most of it (80%) is theirs.

China calls on Russia & Japan to handle territorial row properly

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Thursday called on Russia & Japan to properly handle their recent dispute over the sovereignty of the Southern Kuril Islands in the Pacific.

Interesting that China talks on this issue... since they side with Russia...

North wanted military talks with Washington

A South Korean government official said Saturday that North Korea sent a statement from Minister of Defense Kim Yong-chun to his U.S. counterpart Robert Gates on Jan. 25, requesting high-level military talks between the North and the United States. The statement was delivered to the U.S. Embassy in China, the official said.

North Korea had suggested the two parties discuss denuclearization, the recovery of the remains of U.S. soldiers killed in the North during the Korean War and measures to ease military tension along the Northern Limit Line off the west coast of the Korean Peninsula. The request was made just five days after a similar statement was sent to South Korea’s Minister of National Defense Kim Kwan-jin.

The North’s request was met with flat refusal from the U.S., which reiterated its stance that inter-Korean talks should come ahead of any other international engagement, the official said.

And North Korea has left the inter-Korea talks... so... yeah, time for another provocation.

Is N.Korea Getting Ready for Another Nuclear Test?

North Korea has dug a new 800 m-deep tunnel at its nuclear test site in Punggye-ri, North Hamgyong Province, it emerged on Sunday. Experts believe it will be ready for another nuclear test once it reaches a depth of 1 km.

A South Korean government source said, "If they continue digging the tunnel in Punggye-ri at the current speed, they could likely conduct a third nuclear test anytime after early April."

After early April uh? Like April 15 perhaps? Like I said back in early december?


So now there's three possible provocation in the next few months by North Korea.

- Nuclear test
- MRBM/ICBM Missile test
- Invasion of the Baeknyeong island.

It should be interesting. Me thinks North Korea will do the first two to have direct talks with the US... and if the US sticks to it's position of not talking to them... they'll do the third one....and then it'll hit the fan.




posted on Feb, 21 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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So this worries me, I do remember back in December there was specualation about an amphibious assault on the islands. Most likely during the night, at a time when there is no moonlight. There will be a new moon on March the 4th. Obviously if they are starving they will be in desperation. Any idea if the uprisings in the ME might be effecting dissidence in NK?

I remember when you said April 15th would be a likely day for provocation, V. I have a feeling that day will bring more than another nuclear weapons test. How long can they afford to bark and not bite for, especially if they are literally starving? Why waste your best bargaining chip underground?

Also I disagree that the hovercraft would be wiped out easily. Remember how the artillery bombardment went? The South Koreans didn't hit any of their targets, right? Their technology may be dated, but I think in light of their past successes in attacking the south without any effective retalliation at all speaks volumes about being quick to underestimate their tactical capabilities. Why expect them to fail now?
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Any idea if the uprisings in the ME might be effecting dissidence in NK?

Yes it is.

N.Korean Protesters Demand Food and Electricity

Small pockets of unrest are appearing in North Korea as the repressive regime staggers under international sanctions and the fallout from a botched currency reform, sources say. On Feb. 14, two days before leader Kim Jong-il's birthday, scores of people in Jongju, Yongchon and Sonchon in North Pyongan Province caused a commotion, shouting, "Give us fire [electricity] and rice! "

A North Korean source said people fashioned makeshift megaphones out of newspapers and shouted, "We can't live! Give us fire! Give us rice!" "At first, there were only one or two people, but as time went by more and more came out of their houses and joined in the shouting," the source added.

"When such an incident took place in the past, people used to report their neighbors to the security forces, but now they're covering for each other," the source said.



Also I disagree that the hovercraft would be wiped out easily. Remember how the artillery bombardment went? The South Koreans didn't hit any of their targets, right? Their technology may be dated, but I think in light of their past successes in attacking the south without any effective retalliation at all speaks volumes about being quick to underestimate their tactical capabilities. Why expect them to fail now?

Well hovercraft are kinda weak. Any hit on them, even with only small arms fire, and it's almost over. Not to mention, since the incident, South Korea has deployed more troops on the island. And again... the US-SKorea will be in the middle of war exercises... which start in less than a week... and ends on April 30.

Taiwan pushes for U.S. arms: Interview

In an interview with The Washington Post, Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou said the deal was critical despite his attempts to ease relations with China.

"Taiwan is a sovereign state; we must have our national defense," Ma said. "While we negotiate with the mainland, we hope to carry out such talks with sufficient self-defense capabilities and not negotiate out of fear," Ma said.

Taiwan requested purchase of 66 F-16 fighters in early 2007. Washington, though, has held up the deal, apparently heeding concerns from Beijing.

U.S. officials have long indicated that the deal would be followed by plans to gauge the design and construction of diesel-powered submarines for the island, which China deems a wayward province.



Taiwan, China hold historic trade meeting

"The meeting was very fruitful," Liang Kuo-hsin, deputy economic minister and also the chief Taiwanese negotiator, told reporters at the end of the one-day gathering in Chungli.

However amid warming ties, trade between Taiwan and China totalled $145.3 billion in 2010, up 36.9 percent from the previous year.

Great.


Presidential aide to visit U.S. for possible talks on missile range

A key South Korean presidential aide on national security said Tuesday he will soon visit the United States amid speculation that his trip may focus on the allies' ongoing talks on boosting South Korea's ballistic missile capability to cover anyplace in North Korea.


Korean Bank Run Spreading: Eighth Bank Closes Following "Massive Withdrawals"

This ain't good... if it continues.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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Vitchilo, do you think the N Korean people will break through their government and have it fall as what happened in Egypt or will it end up with more violence than what is occurring in Libya. You seem to be aware of much is going on there, so I ask you: how long do you think it will take?
Keep up the good work BTW.

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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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I hope the starving NK's continue to look out for each other instead of reporting one another. All that money for tunnels and nukes - no food for the people, sad!



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Vitchilo, do you think the N Korean people will break through their government and have it fall as is happened in Egypt or will it end up with more violence than what is occurring in Libya.

IMO very very very remote chance they successfully revolt.

North Korea have a bunch of tanks in the capital exactly for that kind of situation. Not to mention, China would probably send troops in to save Kim.

The hardship for North Koreans is not over... by a long shot. Most likely, only total war with South Korea/North Korea will save them... if that's even ``saving them``... or they'll be absorbed by China... which might be the ``best case`` for the North Koreans... but not for the international relations.


What COULD happen... but very unlikely... is that if the US government shuts down on March 4... would the US military exercises in South Korea be canceled?
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by crazydaisy
I hope the starving NK's continue to look out for each other instead of reporting one another.

Which is what they are doing.

N.Korean Forces Crack Down on Protesters in Border Town

Hundreds of people clashed with security forces in the North Korean town of Sinuiju on the border with China on Friday, a source in the Stalinist country said Wednesday.

The military was deployed to quell the demonstration, leaving some protesters wounded.

The source said police officers cracking down on traders in a market in Sinuiju after the public holidays marking leader Kim Jong-il's birthday beat one of them unconscious. The victim's family protested and many other traders went along to support them.

When it looked as though other people might join the traders, security agents and military troops moved in. Rumor has it that four or five people were killed in the resulting clashes, but no details of civilian casualties are known.



China FM pledges efforts to revive stalled nuke talks

China will work to revive stalled talks on North Korea's nuclear disarmament and to maintain peace on the Korean peninsula, Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said Wednesday during a visit to South Korea.

But Yang, in comments made before he began private talks with his counterpart Kim Sung-Hwan, did not mention the North's uranium enrichment programme which has sparked international concern.

China will seek an early resumption of the talks "to realise denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula and normalisation of relations between related countries", Yang said.

Hopefully it works.


How N.Koreans Communicate with the Outside World

The outside world is learning about the latest news from North Korea with unprecedented speed these days. Information that used to be impossible to obtain, about such things as living conditions or protests, is becoming available through photos and video clips, while South Korean pop music and TV dramas are spreading quickly throughout North Korea.

The most common conduit is North Korean traders who frequently travel to China. They store the pictures and videos on USB memory sticks and bring them out with them. "In February last year we developed 'stealth' USBs and distributed hundreds of them in the North," said Kim Heung-kwang of defector group North Korea Intellectuals Solidarity.

+1



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Keystone Kops Of Kim's Korea

South Korea intelligence recently revealed that in late 2010, after North Korea artillery fired on South Korea (Yeonpyeong Island), North Korea quickly made preparations for war. These preparations were apparently ordered without much warning. So too, apparently, was the attack on Yeonpyeong Island.

What the South Korean intel analysts were particularly amazed by was the poor performance of the North Korean air force. It was known that North Korean pilots had been getting less and less flying time in the past decade, but when ordered into the air on a large scale to practice war plans, the results were amazingly bad. The flying skills of combat pilots was particularly bad, as was the performance of many aircraft (indicating poor maintenance). There were several crashes, and many near misses in the air, and a general sense of confusion among the North Korean Air Force commanders and troops.

Epic fail!

N.Korea on Alert for Signs of Resistance

The North Korean regime is on alert after signs of public unrest mainly in North Pyongyan Province, the chief conduit of information from the outside world into North Korea. On Feb. 14, dozens staged nighttime protests in Jongju and Yongchon in the province demanding electricity and food, while on Feb. 18, hundreds in Sinuiju clashed with security forces to protest a crackdown on open-air markets.



Can N.Korean Protests Grow Into a Revolution?

Small pockets of resistance have been springing up in North Korea since last year, with protests sometimes turning violent, sources in the North say. On the night of Feb. 14, two days before leader Kim Jong-il's birthday, scores of people in Jongju, Yongchon and Sonchon in North Pyongan Province gathered and shouted, "Give us fire [electricity] and rice."

But North Korea experts say these protests are largely motivated by immediate material concerns like food shortages, rather than by any desire to overthrow the regime.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 05:06 AM
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N. Korea says S. Korea provoked deadly shellfire

North Korea reiterated Thursday that its deadly artillery attack on a South Korean border island last November was provoked by Seoul, in a statement which dimmed hopes of an easing of tensions.

Seoul says Pyongyang must accept the blame for the shelling, and for the sinking of a South Korean warship last March, before any high-level talks can be held to improve relations.

Preparatory military talks broke down this month when the North refused to accept responsibility.

An uncompromising 6,300-word statement released by Pyongyang's official news agency made it clear no apology will be forthcoming.

And so the rhetoric is back on...

Taiwan protesters throw flowers at China envoy

A senior Chinese official Thursday travelled to south Taiwan, a hotbed of anti-Beijing sentiment, as protesters threw eggs and flowers in a reference to Tunisia's "Jasmine Revolution".

Nice!

US, S. Korea envoys discuss N. Korea nuclear program

South Korea's nuclear negotiations chief met Thursday with US special envoy for North Korea Stephen Bosworth to discuss Pyongyang's uranium enrichment program, officials said Thursday.

The program disclosed last November potentially gives the North a second way to make nuclear weapons, in addition to its plutonium stockpile and envoy Wi Sung-Lac's visit came a day after the North's main ally China blocked publication of a United Nations report criticising the program.



Why N.Koreans Are Starving

According to South Korean government statistics compiled between 1991 and 2009, North Korea had bumper crops in 2005 (4.54 million tons) and 2006 (4.48 million tons). The 2010 crop yield has not been officially announced yet, but the UN Food and Agriculture Organization presumes output last year totaled 4.48 million tons, making it the best harvest in 20 years. North Korea's annual food demand is estimated at around 5 million tons.

Hoarding Rice for the Military

In September last year, Grand National Party lawmaker Kim Moo-sung said North Korea has stored 1 million tons of rice for a war. That is enough to feed the country's 24 million people for three months.

Preparing for 2012

"The North needs to stock up on food for use in the celebrations next year.”

No Assistance from China

China does not want a crisis in North Korea that could complicate the political status quo in Northeast Asia, but it has not responded to North Korea's requests for food aid yet.

According to data from Statistics Korea in January, North Korean mines contain an estimated 2,000 tons of gold worth W61.3 trillion (US$1=W1,133) and 5,000 tons of silver worth W1.9 trillion. North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has apparently stashed away more than US$4 billion in secret bank accounts overseas. Yet there are no accounts that the North sold any of the gold or silver to buy food or that Kim tapped into his funds.

Seriously, this is so sick... one million people died of starvation in 1995-1997... The government didn't even sold some gold to buy food... or at least stop putting food aside for the military in case of war... sickos.

Seoul to Train 30,000 Reserve Snipers

The Defense Ministry will train about 30,000 snipers in the reserve force to counter the threat of North Korea's numerous special forces beginning this year.

More spec ops for SKorea... good for them.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Pres. Obama poised to nominate Joseph Donovan Jr. as next Ambassador to #ROK


Two-Thirds of S.Koreans Support Nuclear Armament

Two out of three South Koreans believe the country should arm itself with nuclear weapons in response to the North Korean nuclear threat, according to handouts distributed at the National Assembly on Thursday by former Grand National Party chairman Chung Mong-joon.

Except the South would actually be able to deliver them... while the North isn't capable of doing so... as of yet.

S. Korea, U.S. conduct joint air force rescue drill: officials

South Korea and the United States on Friday conducted a joint air force drill to enhance their coordination in search and rescue for pilots stranded after an emergency bailout on enemy soil, officials said.

Which COULD happen...



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Korea :
GNP reps want return of U.S. nuclear weapons

Senior members of the ruling Grand National Party yesterday argued the U.S. should reintroduce tactical nuclear weapons in South Korea to protect the country against a military threat from the North.

In a National Assembly session on foreign, unification and security affairs, Chung Mong-joon, former chairman of the Grand National Party, made the proposal, calling it a cautionary move against a nuclear-armed North Korea.

The US had nukes in SKorea, from 1958 to 1991. The US doesn't really need to do that... since according to new treaties they've made, the full nuclear support of the US is behind SKorea... it was signed in December I think.

South Korea drops leaflets in North telling people of Egyptian uprising

South Korea’s air force has been dropping leaflets in North Korean cities informing the local people of mass uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, a member of parliament told Reuters Friday.

The South has been dropping news releases to inform the people of North Korea of unprecedented events in North Africa and the Middle East as part of a psychological effort aimed at mobilising the people to call for change.


Chinese Businesses Pour into N.Korea's Rajin-Songbong

North Korea's Rajin-Sonbong special economic zone is seeing a rapid influx of Chinese businesspeople as the impoverished country becomes more desperate amid international sanctions and the aftermath of a botched currency reform. The zone was established in 1991 to attract hard currency but had been practically idle except for a few small traders, due to tight controls by state security.

But now sources say Beijing seems to think it is high time to persuade the North to reform and open up as the economy is on the verge of collapse. It is pressuring the regime to develop Rajin-Sonbong into a model of Chinese-style reform, and it needs to use Rason Port for its own Tumen River project. This is swiftly attracting Chinese investment to the area.

Beijing reportedly even plans to supply electricity to the Rajin-Songbong area. "The replacement of transformers aimed at getting electricity from China is underway, and Chinese electricity is expected to be supplied from April," said a North Korean defector.

Will North Korea become a Chinese province once Kim Jong Il dies?

Fresh N. Korean provocation likely around March: minister

North Korea would most likely mount a military provocation, if it chose to, either before and after an 11-day joint military exercise South Korea and the United States plan to launch next week, Seoul's top defense official said Friday.

So in the next few days uh? Since there's no talks, and the US refuses to talk to NKorea... and the fishing season will soon begin... not to mention people revolting in NKorea...a little provocation to rise tensions so people stop protesting...

All point toward a new provocation in the next few weeks.

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China :

The new Chinese tanks are scary!


100 New U.S. Stealth Bombers For First Strike Against China

$3.7 billion. That's how much the US Air Force proposes to spend over the next five years developing a new, stealthy, long-range, manned bomber likely specifically intended to penetrate Chinese air defences. The plan, included in the Obama administration's 2012 budget, could lead to the production of around 100 new bombers by the mid-2020s — and could significantly tip the Pacific balance of power.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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$3.7 billion. That's how much the US Air Force proposes to spend over the next five years developing a new, stealthy, long-range, manned bomber likely specifically intended to penetrate Chinese air defences. The plan, included in the Obama administration's 2012 budget, could lead to the production of around 100 new bombers by the mid-2020s — and could significantly tip the Pacific balance of power.


That's not gonna buy 100 stealth bombers..
That's about what it was estimated to cost for giving 20 F35's to Israel...



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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That's not gonna buy 100 stealth bombers..
That's about what it was estimated to cost for giving 20 F35's to Israel...

The 3.7 billion $ is not about buying 100 stealth bombers, it's about DEVELOPING them... 100 stealth bombers of that type are probably gonna cost at least 150 billion since a B-2 costs about a billion each... and that is not counting the developing and maintenance cost.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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is that a real tank for the military or just a model for something else?



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by RizeorDie
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is that a real tank for the military or just a model for something else?

Nah it was a joke... it's some tank a chinese farmer made at home. Pretty cool uh?



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
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That's not gonna buy 100 stealth bombers..
That's about what it was estimated to cost for giving 20 F35's to Israel...

The 3.7 billion $ is not about buying 100 stealth bombers, it's about DEVELOPING them... 100 stealth bombers of that type are probably gonna cost at least 150 billion since a B-2 costs about a billion each... and that is not counting the developing and maintenance cost.


The article makes it seem as if the US military industrial machine is now officially preparing for war with China. I guess terrorists just didn't justify massive defense spending since the Soviets left the stage 20 years ago


I see this as pretty serious though. Why does the US need to produce a bomber fleet to preemptively attack China? Perhaps the Americans should just stay on their side of the pacific, and no one would have to be bombed.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:35 PM
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Both sides are preparing for war.

And it seems North Korea might really be thinking about doing another provocation...


#DPRK charm campaign ends -- makes threat to fire on #ROK psyops facilities if Seoul doesn't halt leaflet balloon. #Korea about 1 hour ago via ÜberSocial

Yonhap: #ROK Defense Ministry received notice from #DPRK that North will fire "aimed shots" at psyop sites if propaganda campaign continues.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Both sides are preparing for war.

And it seems North Korea might really be thinking about doing another provocation...


#DPRK charm campaign ends -- makes threat to fire on #ROK psyops facilities if Seoul doesn't halt leaflet balloon. #Korea about 1 hour ago via ÜberSocial

Yonhap: #ROK Defense Ministry received notice from #DPRK that North will fire "aimed shots" at psyop sites if propaganda campaign continues.


I'm curious about how these leaflets are even delivered to North Korean territory. Are they dropped from ROK planes? Because if so, then I don't see why the DPRK can't shoot them down.

EDIT: doh, I guess your post says balloons. Still though, seems provocative to me.
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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North Korea Warns it Would Attack South over Joint Drills with U.S.

It accused South Korean activists and lawmakers of flying balloons carrying hundreds of thousands of leaflets critical of North Korea's government, one-dollar bills, DVDs containing corrupt animation files and other materials on the North's most important national holiday, an apparent reference to leader Kim Jong Il's 69th birthday, which was Feb. 16.

Pyongyang has called the drills a preparation to invade North Korea, though South Korean and U.S. officials have repeatedly said the maneuvers are purely defensive and that they have no intention of attacking.

The 11-day drills are aimed at rehearsing how to respond to any potential emergency on the Korean peninsula. About 12,800 U.S. troops and some 200,000 South Korean soldiers and reservists will take part in the drills, which involve computer war games, live-firing exercises and other field training, according to the U.S. and South Korean militaries.

Now they just not say they will bomb SKorea over leaflets... but over the drills they are about to start...tomorrow Korean time... in less than 24 hours.

No talks + protests in North Korea + food shortage + transition of power + drills + new missile test site + nuclear test preparation + invasion of border island preparation = a new provocation, probably before the end of April, is very very very very likely...

Probably not tomorrow... since they have not started the war propaganda in DPRK.

New #DPRK threat not aired yet on domestic radio -- top story: Kim Jong Il enjoys performance of Interior Force's Song & Dance Ensemble.

But after all, before the island bombing the DPRK didn't talk about it... and only a few days later they talked about it in the news, and not as the most important item.
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 06:04 AM
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BREAKING :

"We officially notify that our army will stage a direct fire at the (Imjin) Pavilion and other sources of the anti-DPRK psychological warfare to destroy them on the principle of self-defense, if such actions last despite our repeated warning," the official added. "The group of traitors in South Korea must stop the anti-DPRK psychological warfare at once, squarely seeing the seriousness of the prevailing situation."


They have sent this to the UN and through the military hotline between SKorea and NKorea...

THEY ARE SERIOUS.



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