Boy gang-raped by 10 women:

Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
this leads to the second question, if the man is erect does it mean hes enjoying it therefor its consensual?

there is a very fine line, im not saying that what happened to the boy wasnt rape, but not rape in the sense of how a woman can be.

nor am i saying that he enjoyed it, but like i say theres a fine line between rape and sexual assault with regards to men.

If a woman is "wet" and has an orgasm does it mean she's enjoying it and therefore it's consensual?

Stupid, stupid questions...

Very good point, I also heard somewhere that it has been known for women to have an orgasm during rape. Apparently, that just makes it worse, because it adds to the shame factor and the loss of physical control over your own body.

The same could be said for a man being raped. It's an enormous indignity to be forced to have sex against your will, even more to be forced to orgasm against your will.

Gosh I am absolutely shocked at how much misunderstanding there is about female libido and their physic.

Firstly, a woman cannot reach an orgasm unless she is open to it mentally, allows it to happen. There is a whole field dedicated to sexual dysfunction in women which is mostly caused by mental and emotional stress.... Why do you think there are plenty of questions of if she did or was she faking it??

Secondly, Anyone whom thinks that men do not want sex all the time and will do it with pretty much any willing woman if they felt it was not going to harm anyone by doing so... is totally out of touch.

Thirdly and lastly, anyone whom thinks that a 17 year old boy would not jump at the chance to have sex with 10 willing women and has to be forced at knife point is either lying to themselves about their own nature or has zipo idea bout manhood.

Korg.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by mikelee

 

It is my understanding that, in a healthy male, physical reaction, or arousal, is basically autonomic and unavoidable. I think every guy in the world has memories of high school and that strange phenomenon where things would decide to "wake", for no good reason, 4 seconds before the class bell rang - or as I referred to it as - "Strategic textbook placement opportunities".

I am sure that stimuli overcame objection here, physically speaking.

~Heff

I see your point, but despite still being a young male myself, unless they were all 9's or 10's (out of 10) i would most likely need some viagra or something...... maybe I'm just spoiled, or just really picky.

Plus, when you think rape, you think normal intercourse. They could have easily been holding him down, knife to the throat, while they took turns sodomizing him with various objects. That would explain the hospital treatment as well.

Still think it sounds nice lads?

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Gosh I am absolutely shocked at how much misunderstanding there is about female libido and their physic.

Firstly, a woman cannot reach an orgasm unless she is open to it mentally, allows it to happen. There is a whole field dedicated to sexual dysfunction in women which is mostly caused by mental and emotional stress.... Why do you think there are plenty of questions of if she did or was she faking it??

Wrong, pure and simple. Many women can orgasm through nothing more than physical stimulation. It's a proven fact. Not all people are the same ya know.

Google "Orgasm during rape" and you'll find many examples of this.

Secondly, Anyone whom thinks that men do not want sex all the time and will do it with pretty much any willing woman if they felt it was not going to harm anyone by doing so... is totally out of touch.

Thirdly and lastly, anyone whom thinks that a 17 year old boy would not jump at the chance to have sex with 10 willing women and has to be forced at knife point is either lying to themselves about their own nature or has zipo idea bout manhood.

Korg.

Last time I checked, I was a man, so I'm pretty sure I know about manhood. I agree that at 17, you'll try and have sex with almost anyting, but if 10 women came at me with a knife, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy it.

Also to claim all men are the same when it comes to sex is ignorant. I'm happily married, with an active, healthy sex life and wouldn't even think about having sex with another woman, even if I was 100% positive I could get away with it forever.

People have got to take the sex out of the crime of rape.

Looking at it from a purely sexual point of view is what led to knuckle-dragging men saying things along the lines of ''she was gagging for it'' and ''she enjoyed it really'' in an attempt to ''justify'' raping a woman.

These primitive views should have been left behind in the last century.

It's a shame to see these same ''arguments'' cropping up again, by people who completely disregard another person's dignity, feelings and emotional well-being.


Some people have got to ask themselves ''why is rape such a serious crime ?''.

Aside from possible disease and pregnancy, the physical harm caused by rape is often not as bad as the physical harm caused by most other non-sexual assaults.

The reason that rape is such a terrible crime is largely down to the emotional and psychological trauma that is caused by it. There's a reason why rape is usually considered only second to murder in terms of the severity of a crime.

If more people were to detach the base sexual connotations away from rape, and understand it in terms of prolonged psychological torture, then maybe there wouldn't be such a flippant attitude towards it from some people.

Hi Rising Against,

Originally posted by Rising Against
This was an attack! Not a reward as you say. They used knives and then raped him. How you can see this in somewhat of a good light is beyond me.

If the sexes were reversed, I wonder how opinions would change also.

Yes yes I know it was an attack.

All I was trying to say is this: given the choice between having all those women beat and stab and mutilate me and then lie there and bleed to death, or have them give me an erection and copulate with me - I would choose option B. Because it is the less painful, and actually at least somewhat pleasurable.

If the sexes were reversed and if I were a woman and I get accosted by a bunch of men, I would rather they simply have sex and be done with it, instead of beating, stabbing, breaking bones, etc etc.

Sex is physically pleasurable, being stabbed with knives is not.

Make sense?

Gah, you're posts in this thread are unfortunately nothing but a campaign for ATS to bring in the negative star system. Pure and simple.

Oh, so you can all gang up on me and give me negative stars? I don't think so!

Basking in all the stars I got in this thread,

- coffeecups

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


You've just hit the nail on the head. It's all about controll; physical and mental control of the victim by the perpetrator.

If I could star you 100 times I would.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Secondly, Anyone whom thinks that men do not want sex all the time and will do it with pretty much any willing woman if they felt it was not going to harm anyone by doing so... is totally out of touch.

Another very stupid, sexist comment I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Thirdly and lastly, anyone whom thinks that a 17 year old boy would not jump at the chance to have sex with 10 willing women and has to be forced at knife point is either lying to themselves about their own nature or has zipo idea bout manhood.

See above.

I was sexually assaulted by a woman when I was 6 years old and back then my male role models told me I should have considered myself lucky, funny how much that view hasn't changed in the mindset of alot of men.

That kind of abuse effects men quite subtley and its hard to find any resolution as you have been let down by both genders, I overcame the physical act of abuse by 21 but it took until 40 to realise the emotional trauma and deal with that.

Please no sympathy trips, I just wanted to share that blokes are effected in the same way as women.

Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Secondly, Anyone whom thinks that men do not want sex all the time and will do it with pretty much any willing woman if they felt it was not going to harm anyone by doing so... is totally out of touch.

Another very stupid, sexist comment I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Thirdly and lastly, anyone whom thinks that a 17 year old boy would not jump at the chance to have sex with 10 willing women and has to be forced at knife point is either lying to themselves about their own nature or has zipo idea bout manhood.

See above.

I think you need to review what Sexist means....

I do not discriminate against women at all.

I do say it how it is though and for you clearly you don't like to hear the truth.

Korg.

reply to post by Hefficide

The one definite thing is that this crime does not appear to be about fun at all. This strikes me as an act of violence, not a crime of passion.

I 'bout fell off my chair when reading this . Rape=fun ????? Crime of passion ?????

ALL rapes are crimes of VIOLENCE . Are there really rape-cases where the Defense uses passion and fun , as a defense ?

Originally posted by okbmd

I 'bout fell off my chair when reading this . Rape=fun ????? Crime of passion ?????

ALL rapes are crimes of VIOLENCE . Are there really rape-cases where the Defense uses passion and fun , as a defense ?

You mistake my intended meaning, which may well be my fault. Please allow me to clarify.

That statement was my attempt at diffusing the "oh you know he loved it/wanted it/incited it" arguments. It obviously failed.

It was intended to mean "there is no reason to believe that this was consensual"

~Heff

reply to post by Korg Trinity

Anyone whom thinks that men do not want sex all the time and will do it with pretty much any willing woman if they felt it was not going to harm anyone by doing so... is totally out of touch.

The above statement says everything about yourself and nothing about (all) men . I am a senior citizen and I have had more than my fair share of 'relationships' . I have also , on NUMEROUS occassions declined to have sex with "willing" women .

Your statement does not represent all men , maybe it is you , who is out of touch .

reply to post by Hefficide


My mistake .

Apparently , I took it the wrong way . Apologies .

reply to post by SevenBeans


if a man gets something rammed into his anus then i consider that rape....if your a man/boy surrounded by 11 knife wielding women...do honestly think he wud have had an erection?...

here in the uk...its sexual assault or physical assault, not rape...rape is to penetrate another human being without consent, if a man has no erection its impossible for penetration .

Im sorry but being a young guy myself , that senerio sounds awesome.

My range of emotions during this thread have been huge. First I was stunned (by the story), horrified by some responses, absolutely infuriated by the responses to the responses, and now I am actually saddened by it. At this point, I think Pity is a good guage.

That an adult would not realize rape is an act of violence and not sex, that someone claiming to be a husband and father would make such sexist, crude statements and that ANYONE would support them.

I applaud the posters that have made very clear and well-thought posts to help educate anyone who simply doesn't understand what is involved in this kind of crime. I hope that perhaps a couple of people may have learned something. It is a crime that is often not talked about because of the stigma surrounding it.

I am hiding this thread now because I just can't stand reading it anymore.

What did they do, hold him down, give him Viagra and wait for it to kick in?

Then again he is 17, they could have disarmed him with a smile.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Secondly, Anyone whom thinks that men do not want sex all the time and will do it with pretty much any willing woman if they felt it was not going to harm anyone by doing so... is totally out of touch.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
I do say it how it is though and for you clearly you don't like to hear the truth.
Korg.

Are you a male? If so, have you informed your wife or girlfriend that whenever given the chance you will have sex with any willing woman?

It is difficult to consider the 17 year old on the same level as a woman under the opposite circumstances...but this is mostly due to cultural considerations. Western men are taught that we cant really be raped by a woman (or women). most mindsets outside of the situation will simply say "lucky dude"...(with the exception for the knife issue).

The issue isn't even the guys age...he is an adult...but that doesn't matter either...forced is forced...would there be any less compassion if it was a 16 year old girl being gang raped, verses a 20 year old girl being gang raped? end of the day, its still being raped.

However again...my view on this whole issue is totally clouded by what I, as a western trained man, finds acceptable. I have a innate reaction whenever I start judging other cultures as I know I have a bias on what is "right and wrong" based on western values which, to me, seem clear cut.

The boy is 17...he was forced to be with a number of women (perhaps as some sort of cultural ritual)..I am not sure if I have a right to judge. I have my opinions about it...but catagorically stating it being right or wrong is not my place to say. I barely understand half of our laws and cultural norms...much less someone elses.