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all forms of polygamy contribute to the discrimination of women and the sexualisation of young girls

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posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by Aeons
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Children are the innocents in this - they make no choices, and leaving them with OPTIONS is our job as a society and as decent people.


you must have me confused with some other posters because I am totally opposed to poligamy and prefer the one man one woman option


But if children are born into a group which has polygamy, you think their children should not recieve education and health care because of their parents.

I think that everyone recieves education - period. If you choose to homeschool, then your children should be required to demonstrate that their schooling is at certain levels by certain ages.

All children should be allowed the options given by education. Regardless of their parents choices.

Parents who opt out of the main system take on the responsibility of making sure their children have those options, and are required to demonstrate that they are meeting their responsibilities.

I don't give a rat's patootie how they feel about it.




posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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My best friend is a woman with two girlfriends. They know about and are friends with each other, and were dating for a while themselves until they realized they weren't romantically compatible. How exactly does this disadvantage any of them? And how are any of them agreeing to it because they're at a social disadvantage?



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Solasis
My best friend is a woman with two girlfriends. They know about and are friends with each other, and were dating for a while themselves until they realized they weren't romantically compatible. How exactly does this disadvantage any of them? And how are any of them agreeing to it because they're at a social disadvantage?


Because in many of these situations, the girl children born are raised to become nothing but brood mares to be auctioned off by their father. They are brought up with the sole idea that their place is to be submissive and sexually compliant to a man chosen by said father, and that education is not important.

That's a problem with it. It is the environment in which these groups exist and perpetuated themselves.


Oh, and I used to have two boyfriends at the same time who knew about each other. I would go out with both at the same time so that they could have a chance to talk. Both of them knew the entire time. And no, they were not into each other at all. My friends used to joke that I liked my studs in medium and large and nice to look at.

Still of a frak of a mess in the end.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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I think you are a bit off my Friend. Look at the way current society is.
I think most people can agree that modern society is for the most part
based on monagamy. Have you seen what is on TV lately? Sex in the
City and all of these other shows that sexualize women and make such
women role models for young girls. Hell, they even have beauty pagents
for kids! No, I think you have things backwards however the U.S. is
considered prude in some European nations.....Imagine that!



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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The U.S. is a prude nation.

The jesus freaks go crazy if someone happens to show a nipple on TV.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by megabyte
 


Children are the innocents in this - they make no choices, and leaving them with OPTIONS is our job as a society and as decent people.


Children are the innocents - - - in what?

Consenting adults deciding what kind of marriage works for them?

How children are treated has nothing to do with what type marriage consenting adults choose for themselves.

Let's talk gay children in hetero monogamous Fundamental Christian marriages. (not all Christians of course).



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
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The U.S. is a prude nation.

The Jesus freaks go crazy if someone happens to show a nipple on TV.


I so agree.

My friend from Australia says: "It's so much better to be in a country founded by criminals then holier-then-thou's"



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Because in many of these situations, the girl children born are raised to become nothing but brood mares to be auctioned off by their father. They are brought up with the sole idea that their place is to be submissive and sexually compliant to a man chosen by said father, and that education is not important.


What exactly does that have to do with polygamy?

Polygamy is multiple wives.



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 10:29 PM
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If you don't know that most of the people practicing polygamy are in sects which use indoctrination and religion to insulate their children, you are vastly naive or just looking for a fight.

And before you go off on what I do and don't know - I know people who've come from those sects. AND two of my exs are in the type of relationship you are talking about. I know about it up close and personal.

The fact remains - if you choose the lifestyle your children don't. Many people who are choosing it in the form you are talking about choose NOT to have children. The one's that do are the overwhelming majority to which subscribe the "woman as submissive brood mare" variation. Where Daddy gets to auction off his personally created brood mares to his friends.

That these culture-memes are almost invariably linked is clear. To pretend they aren't is a lie.
edit on 2010/11/24 by Aeons because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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I think they should all have to agree to be married to each other.

IE if A woman and a man marry another woman, she should have to agree to be wife to the first wife and the first man, and so on, and so on, and so on. IT shouldn't be one person's decision, oh, I'm going to marry 2 women. No, it should be WE are going to marry 2 women. It should be mandatory that everyone have to live in the same house too. No your kids, her kids. OUR kids.

Have fun.



posted on Nov, 25 2010 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
If you don't know that most of the people practicing polygamy are in sects which use indoctrination and religion to insulate their children, you are vastly naive or just looking for a fight.


Same story with monogamy, different religion. I guess the religion you claim to follow is the right one, though. That, or you're either vastly naive or just looking for a fight.



And before you go off on what I do and don't know - I know people who've come from those sects. AND two of my exs are in the type of relationship you are talking about. I know about it up close and personal.


Me too, I'm not completely ignorant to Western society. Monogamous relationships are just as likely to expose children to the same caliber of religious brainwashing as polygamous relationship.


The fact remains - if you choose the lifestyle your children don't. Many people who are choosing it in the form you are talking about choose NOT to have children. The one's that do are the overwhelming majority to which subscribe the "woman as submissive brood mare" variation. Where Daddy gets to auction off his personally created brood mares to his friends.


Sensational pseudo-feminist nonsense. This would be a non-issue to you if the victim had a penis and that's all I can see out of this whole thing. Ridiculous
. Men from arranged marriages don't get to choose their wives either, so I guess they're just "branded studs" to be auctioned of and bred with mares. Treated like garbage and forced into a family that they never wanted! Daddy just gets to auction off his son's sexual life, family, and dignity to the highest dowry bidder no matter how gruelingly trollish she behaves or poorly motivated she is! Shame! Protect only the one with the body parts that match mine! Rational!!111!!1 I know what they want, I am a man and I will say what men want because I know! Men are a group think! Feminists told me so!


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posted on Nov, 25 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Solasis
My best friend is a woman with two girlfriends. They know about and are friends with each other, and were dating for a while themselves until they realized they weren't romantically compatible. How exactly does this disadvantage any of them? And how are any of them agreeing to it because they're at a social disadvantage?


Because in many of these situations, the girl children born are raised to become nothing but brood mares to be auctioned off by their father. They are brought up with the sole idea that their place is to be submissive and sexually compliant to a man chosen by said father, and that education is not important.

That's a problem with it. It is the environment in which these groups exist and perpetuated themselves.


Yet your entire thesis is that ALL forms of polygamy contribute to it -- when in fact you're arguing that most of the people who are polygamists are dangerous. Please, do not diss a valid subculture because its biggest proponents are invalid. Let's open a dialogue about forms of polygamy that can work.

My best friend's situation can't work for everyone. A lot of people are too jealous for that too work, or even just too committed to monogamy. They're fine. The "property" model that the cults practice, even when they pretend they don't, is horrible and offensive. But for people who can love multiple people, and be loved by multiple people, and find people who can also love multiple people or accept being one of multiple loves --- it works out fine.

I understand your point, but you have presented it wrong.



posted on Nov, 25 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
If you don't know that most of the people practicing polygamy are in sects which use indoctrination and religion to insulate their children, you are vastly naive or just looking for a fight.



And . . . .

No - I am not naive at all. As a matter of fact - - I was Mormon for 5 years.

It is you who chooses to focus on particulars and the negative aspects publicly presented forced marriages.

Which has nothing to do with consensual adult polygamy.



posted on Nov, 25 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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I am going to go ahead and call you out on something here and say that you lie in order to make yourself sound more credible by having some sort of connection to a number of issues.

a) In this thread you have :



Oh, and I used to have two boyfriends at the same time who knew about each other.


and



And before you go off on what I do and don't know - I know people who've come from those sects. AND two of my exs are in the type of relationship you are talking about.


Not sure whats going through your head, but you seem to think those 2 statements gives you credibility to make broad, sweeping generalizations about all supporters of polygamy.


b) Now, in another thread, you also made it a point (which given the context of the post, you had no reason to state the following)




They were all not the people in the lime light. At best you might have heard of Kennedy's lawyers, who I am related to.

Found here

c) Next up, you make a small connection to an issue by claiming you have family that live on some small island in which a pedophilia ring exists



I have family that live out there, and this summer while going to visit some guys on the ferry over to Gabriola / Mayne

Source

d) In a thread about witch burning in Africa, you also claimed to have had an ancestor who was about to be torched



One of my German ancestors was put to the fire, but her husband paid for the fire to be botched.

Post found here

e) And finally, you claimed to have "encountered a few people who took part in some secret drug lord protecting operation in south america



Over the years I've encountered a number of people who were involved in this .... operation?


Found here

f) You also claimed to know a retired general who knew about something and just happened to know someone being rotated to south america



If it weren't for that I also knew a retired general who knew about it, and someone who was rotated down there.



So in essence, your claim of being a polygamist knowing, kennedy attorney related, relative of some folks who live on Pedophile Island, who just happens to have an ancestor that was almost burnt at the stake for being a witch, and yet you still managed to find time to come across some operators and a general who participated in a quiet south american operation just arent believable.


Maybe you just like to falsely boost your own ego....otherwise there would be no need for a comment like this:



My friends used to joke that I liked my studs in medium and large and nice to look at.



edit on 25-11-2010 by BigTimeCheater because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 25 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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Your worship is duly noted my dear.


I like the way you spliced it up.

Yes, two of my exs are in polyamourous / polyandrous relationships.

One of them I was engaged to when I was much younger, and at the time I had a boyfriend as well. So yes, I've "encountered" the sub-culture.

And yeah - I bragged about being able to walk away in public with as many pleasant to look at and intelligent men as I please. It is a fault.
One I don't really feel that badly about.

No I did not claim to be related to the Kennedys. I am related to the man who was Kennedy's lawyer. My great-aunt did have an affair with him. Another great-aunt was Frank Sinatra's nurse. And as you might imagine, Frank was mobbed up to his ears.

If it makes you feel worse, those people then all tie back into the Orange and Purple gangs, Capone, the Capone-Kennedy pissing match (when Capone said he hated "the Irish" he wasn't talking about the people in general - his wife was Irish, as were numerous of his closest worker bees....also relatives. He was talking about Kennedy's mob.)

Yes, I did know an ex-general. His mother gave me the most fascinating book of spells.

My about 8xgr-grandmother of the Conradt line in Nova Scotia was indeed attempted to be burnt as a witch. The rest of her birth family was. I'm hardly the only person with extensive long term roots in Nova Scotia who is descended from her. You can find others pretty easily on the web even. I happen to like genealogy. I promise if you look you'll find some other genealogical resources referring to her. She's on my female side. The other group is on my male side.

I've suggested that there is evidence of a pedophile ring operating out of the Islands. I backed it up with connections which may not be coincidental between open public cases. And yes, I have family living there. It isn't a "pedophile island." It is really a beautiful place - which is probably why so many aging "culture" people so live there. It also happens to be a good set of Islands to "disappear" onto. Which would be why so many US-draft dodgers are still there.

I can make it worse - you missed the one where I identified one of the gentlemen in the Bohemian Grove thread - I identified where he was from and what his family was because.......of family photos.



And my dear - I am just a regular married working mom living in the prairies.

By far these aren't even a scratch on the surface of the list of strange and interesting people I've met or talked to. It is an interesting accounting of some of the odder relatives - though not an extensive list. And I picked mostly the dead ones, and not the live ones. And it's still not a full account of the sub-culture groups I've dropped in on for a time to check out the atmosphere by an stretch of the imagination.

This is very amusing to me. Because every last sentence I wrote is true.
And you find it so hard to imagine.


How boring has your life been man?
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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by megabyte
 


Children are the innocents in this - they make no choices, and leaving them with OPTIONS is our job as a society and as decent people.


you must have me confused with some other posters because I am totally opposed to poligamy and prefer the one man one woman option


But if children are born into a group which has polygamy, you think their children should not recieve education and health care because of their parents.

I think that everyone recieves education - period. If you choose to homeschool, then your children should be required to demonstrate that their schooling is at certain levels by certain ages.

All children should be allowed the options given by education. Regardless of their parents choices.

Parents who opt out of the main system take on the responsibility of making sure their children have those options, and are required to demonstrate that they are meeting their responsibilities.

I don't give a rat's patootie how they feel about it.


once again I wish to stress that I do not agree with poligamy



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by hadriana
I think they should all have to agree to be married to each other.

IE if A woman and a man marry another woman, she should have to agree to be wife to the first wife and the first man, and so on, and so on, and so on. IT shouldn't be one person's decision, oh, I'm going to marry 2 women. No, it should be WE are going to marry 2 women. It should be mandatory that everyone have to live in the same house too. No your kids, her kids. OUR kids.

Have fun.


the way the moslems practise it is by giving each of 4 wives her own home [or tent if they are poor] and the husband chooses between the tents or houses for the night

it is so perfect for rorting our social security here in Australia because if you can swear that toy do not have a male in the house for more than 3 nights a week then you are entitled to single parent benefit

really strictly speaking this is rorting the social security system because our laws are unable to get around any goy who wants to have as many wives as he wants to so long as he does not live there for more than 2 nights a week

this is a sore point for me and other law abiding taxpayers - that these guys can choose polygamy and we taxpayers fund the lifestyle for him and he is not responsible for any of his wives or his children financially. it is so morally wrong!

it is one thing where adults choose to do this and pay for themselves but it is morally despicable when they suck from taxpayers instead



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 07:48 AM
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Worship? No. Just calling out a liar.

You keep telling yourself whatever fantasies you need to in order to make yourself feel better.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
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Worship? No. Just calling out a liar.

You keep telling yourself whatever fantasies you need to in order to make yourself feel better.


Okay. My Real Life is your Fantasy. I'm flattered.



posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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I am not suggesting you do.

I am suggesting that you don't realize that by pretending that these people's children should be abandonned to their parents vision of education that you are sure to be re-enforcing the entire lifestyle and the cultish nature of it. You are also assuring they continue to have a brainwashed uneducated source of girls on which to increase their population.

You can't ignore the consquences of other's choices, even if you don't like their choices.



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