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posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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i have an idea

ATS should close all threads and just put up an explanation for every possibility

its the same that happens anyway

if its a UFO... its not, -its a plane
if its a Rocket.. its not its a plane
if its a chemtrail.. its not its a plane
if its an oil spill... its not its a plane leaking oil
if its the NWO.. its not its a plane with initials NWO

if its secret.. its not it cant be everybody will know
if its advanced.. its not it cant be because we all know whats possible
if its a fact.. its not it cant be only HOAX are allowed as label on ATS

so my dear favourite website what has become of you

its not fun reading not even about the rocket launch, the debunkers are so eager the spoil every thread

i really fell like programming a whole lot of a better site

and belive me, its only because this is the biggest its good, its very bad at proving anything at all

so ATS mods, ATS manegement, where are youre kills.. where are the things thats been PROVED

where is the FACT label

how come you only have a HOAX

are you a HOAX???

deny ignorance... well you sure do a good job in keeping this site for ignorant people

when i started conspiracy, the internet was only for a few. conspiracy were for the chosen

now its fashion, not to be investigating conspiracies, but to be the opposite, a debunker

people think its some kind of fashion thing, like them posting some crap on their facebook pages but not really beliving, just as people would wear pink if everybody else did

i hate people.. or no i hate sheep, dumb people, trying to do what they think are right for others

so ATS this is your last chance

fix this site up so that FACTS are clear, you must make some profit on this, so put the money back into it

or you will loose in competition like any other company not being truth to its core users

im a programmer... i could make this a lot better

but i guess you are not interested as you are afraid of your own words "deny ignorance" and your government US of Assholes



it would save a lot of people a lot of time
how is it to see a UFO, to witness several, and to find other people making photos etc of the same thing
just to see every thread about it being ridiculed

i hope for every real UFO photo someone discredits, for whatever reason they do, that they will burn in hell

i think god will do exatly that to these people, if God exist
i dont belive in heaven and hell but i do belive in heaven and UFO's

because ive seen them... they might be from earth but they sure are REAL


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posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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You are angry at people who try to find out the truth and show people that not everything is a conspiracy?



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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im not angry

i know the truth

the truth will set them free

not lies

which truth are you referring too?

what have been proved?
edit on 22-11-2010 by skywatch because: spells



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Well, the so-called missile has never been proven as such. The people you are angry at are doing us all a service. They are not running around screaming about China attacking us, they are using logic and trying to find out what it really was.

If it was a missile, launched at the US by China, where is it? Is the missile not bound by the law of gravity?



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Different strokes for different folks man. I'm TOTALLY not into the Aliens and UFO's stuff. I'm here for the political discussion. That said, I got into CT because of other aspects of ATS. And I'm happy with that. I think you may be limiting yourself here.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by skywatch
 


Well, the so-called missile has never been proven as such. The people you are angry at are doing us all a service. They are not running around screaming about China attacking us, they are using logic and trying to find out what it really was.

If it was a missile, launched at the US by China, where is it? Is the missile not bound by the law of gravity?


im not talking about a missile

and i dont even want to reply to your question as this thread is not about any missile but about the posts here and how ATS present them...

actually you make the point yourself, your reply is asking me a question, trying to make me divert from the threads topic

not a chance

only thing i wanna clear to you.. ive seen so many UFO's that i really dont care about people doing you a service, it the service is a lie

nothing been proved here
nobody belives deep inside
only thoose who have been witness are in the know

i just think that people who dont belive in conspiracies should join facebook or some forum dedicated to debunking.. but then again it would'nt be fun if there are no real witness, no belivers,

now would it?



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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I don't wholly agree or dissagree with you..
There are many on ATS that are open to reasonable, civil debate.
There are others that think their opinion is the only one that matters but I choose to ignore them.
I do dislike that some members opinions are taken as fact by many on ATS although we know little about why their opinions should hold more weight than others.
At the end of the day, just say your piece, ignore the trolls and have a good debate..



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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The point I am making is, the "debunkers" are trying to find out about whatever incident, just as everyone else is.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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This might help:

The Rise Of The ATS Invertebrate: or, it takes a spine to be a conspiracy theorist.


Skepticism is not "anti-conspiracy"

We've seen, on many occasions, where newer members are often shocked, if not put-off, buy the general amount of skeptical contributors on ATS. Those members should be aware that there is a significant difference between "skepticism" and "denial." All too often, we've seen exuberant conspiracy followers automatically assume that the skeptical point of view is that of a habitual debunker and knee-jerk denialist. This type of thinking is counter-productive to seeking the truth. Skepticism and critical-thinking are vitally important attributes to anyone who is genuinely concerned with any conspiracy theory. A healthy dose of skeptical questions hones our theories and aids in the process of discarding speculative aspects that may not be properly supported. With that in mind, however, there are those who appear to practice reflexive-denial toward anything conspiracy related, and those people can be disruptive to the type of environment we seek to foster. However, they should not and shall not be ignored because they provide a valuable metric that our suppositions and conclusions must surpass.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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If you post a theory that goes against accepted theories then surely you would have thought about the arguments that could be made against it before you posted?
If your whole theory can be derailed by someone saying "it looks like a plane" then I guess you didn't have much to back that theory up with in the first place. How about presenting an argument that's harder to argue with?
Thats how people get theories accepted, by having something to back them up with.

Newton: I have an idea that there is a force in the universe that attracts things toward heavy objects.
Skeptic: HaHa look at the moon that looks really heavy and it just floats about in the sky
Newton: Damn I didn't think of that


The above conversation didn't happen because Newton took some time to work through the consequences of his theories before he published them. He didn't publish first and think about it later
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posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


im not new at ATS

thank you..

i was on the net in 1996 lisining to Art bell.. i dont belive many of you had internet in 1996

im a senior computer programmer

i think ATS could do a lot better job with this website, its not even possible to go to page 84 of one thread, you have to browse...

and their are no FACTS only HOAXS

why is that

have nothing been proven

where are the KILLS?



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners
reply to post by skywatch
 


If you post a theory that goes against accepted theories then surely you would have thought about the arguments that could be made against it before you posted?
If your whole theory can be derailed by someone saying "it looks like a plane" then I guess you didn't have much to back that theory up with in the first place. How about presenting an argument that's harder to argue with?
Thats how people get theories accepted, by having something to back them up with.

Newton: I have an idea that there is a force in the universe that attracts things toward heavy objects.
Skeptic: HaHa look at the moon that looks really heavy and it just floats about in the sky
Newton: Damn I didn't think of that


The above conversation didn't happen because Newton took some time to work through the consequences of his theories before he published them. He didn't publish first and think about it later
edit on 22-11-2010 by davespanners because: (no reason given)



it doesnt matter how thick the proof

if people dont wanna believe they want believe it

even if they saw it with their own eyes

think of Tesla... how much did he have to go through, because the sheeple asslicking scientist wouldnt belive him

and he not the only one..

ATS should be for the brave people who have open minds and belives not for the majority of afraid small world beings on this planet.. go to facebook for gods sake



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
This might help:

The Rise Of The ATS Invertebrate: or, it takes a spine to be a conspiracy theorist.


Skepticism is not "anti-conspiracy"

We've seen, on many occasions, where newer members are often shocked, if not put-off, buy the general amount of skeptical contributors on ATS. Those members should be aware that there is a significant difference between "skepticism" and "denial." All too often, we've seen exuberant conspiracy followers automatically assume that the skeptical point of view is that of a habitual debunker and knee-jerk denialist. This type of thinking is counter-productive to seeking the truth. Skepticism and critical-thinking are vitally important attributes to anyone who is genuinely concerned with any conspiracy theory. A healthy dose of skeptical questions hones our theories and aids in the process of discarding speculative aspects that may not be properly supported. With that in mind, however, there are those who appear to practice reflexive-denial toward anything conspiracy related, and those people can be disruptive to the type of environment we seek to foster. However, they should not and shall not be ignored because they provide a valuable metric that our suppositions and conclusions must surpass.



WHATS WITH THAT AVATAR

ARE YOU THE SITE OWNER`???

or are you mod??

what the # is going on, so youre a sceptic overlord, then let me ask you

WHAT'S BEEN PROVEN HERE AT ATS???

and i dont mean disproven.. WHATS BEEN PROVEN?



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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I thought you said you are not new to ATS. In that case, you should know that SO is site owner. Lots of true things have been discussed here, though I don't know that you could say anything has been 100% proven, solely on ATS. In addition to these great discussions, there is also lots of nonsense about fictional missiles and UFOs that are really planes.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by skywatch
i was on the net in 1996 lisining to Art bell.. i dont belive many of you had internet in 1996

And I was running a BBS focused on conspiracy theories in 1988.



im a senior computer programmer

Wonderful. If I had 0.50 for every person I ever interviewed for a programming position who said that, and couldn't respond correctly to my "test" questions... well... I'd have enough to treat the entire ATS staff to In & Out for burgers.



i think ATS could do a lot better job with this website, its not even possible to go to page 84 of one thread, you have to browse...

I have no idea what you're referring to, and certainly not sure how browsing a thread might improve your perception of whether or not the material contained within is accurate.



and their are no FACTS only HOAXS

You're probably not looking in the right places.



where are the KILLS?

I have no idea what you mean here.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by skywatch
im not new at ATS

Then you should know that the use of vulgarities is not allowed. Please stop.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by skywatch
 


I thought you said you are not new to ATS. In that case, you should know that SO is site owner. Lots of true things have been discussed here, though I don't know that you could say anything has been 100% proven, solely on ATS. In addition to these great discussions, there is also lots of nonsense about fictional missiles and UFOs that are really planes.


So, nothing have been proved, and their dont exist a FACT label only a HOAX

ATS is not working for people who are dedicated to solving certain ongoing issues

The owner is "Sceptic Overlord" what does this title mean... is he in charge of the Sceptics or is he a Sceptic?

If he is and still dont belive that we have UFO's. please go out at night and look up, quit your computer go find the facts.. You got the money.. or no you have no money from this site... you dont get a dime right

for gods sake go and look at UFO's and tell me they arent real



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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Apparently I need to remind you that the term "skeptic" may be applied to those who are skeptical of the government, official stories, and cover-ups.

Regardless of the knee-jerk reactions of "true believers" who have labeled anyone who doesn't believe even the most whacky theories a "skeptic," those who are truly skeptical in nature are the purest form of conspiracy theorist.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:32 PM
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There is no need to have a FACT label. A HOAX label is to let uninformed readers know that a particular subject has been researched and disproven. Any topic without the label could be called TRUE if you like.



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by skywatch
im not new at ATS

Then you should know that the use of vulgarities is not allowed. Please stop.


what vulgarities?

and where is the FACTS page?

and how do i get to page 84 of a 154 pages thread without having to browse 8 pages at a time

ok so you are not interested in any new ideas for your site, well perfect i will keep them all to myself then

the sad thing about things getting popular is that they have to give in to the popular belief

so know that youre the owner and also had a BBS since '88 and also is a sceptic, let me ask you, if youre willing to reply

What have you learned?

What if anything discussed here can you confirm is true and of the extraordinary kind?

if you want to answer

i understand if this is personal question

but i dont see ATS as proving things, its to messy and the same subjecs with new videos keep surfacing



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