Are people who work at banks "innocent"?

reply to post by aching_knuckles


With knowledge comes responsibility.
If the tellers are ignorant of what is really going on then they are ignorant because they choose to be. The information is available everywhere for them to know what is happening in this world.

Innocent? No, they are accomplices. It's the way the entire masonic system works. The lower rungs do not know what the higher rungs of the ladder are doing, but nevertheless, the "innocents" execute the orders they have been given. They are kept in the dark about the "big picture" but still, anyone in that field should have some clue that things aren't right. If they cared they'd ask questions and search it out.

What's the difference between a bank teller and a TSA security person? They are both just working to keep a job. Are they innocent because they have to rub people's butts all day? They have to take care of families, too, you know.

I would venture to say there are many, many people in many different fields who are executing the orders and doing the dirty work for the big corporations.

But I am not even thinking of bank tellers as villians. How about the lowly grocery store stock boy who is told to use nail polish remover and take the inked expiration dates off packages? How about the person, like me, who was told you must clock out and still continue to work off the clock for 45 mins. to an hour if you want to keep your job. Things like this happen all the time to many people. And by complying, yes, we are helping the corporations. People always have a choice between right and wrong. You can sacrifice your morals and dignity, or you can sacrifice the job and find another one.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


First off...I never said they are helping the "banking elite"...I said they can be seen to be promoting corruption.

Person who works in a homeless shelter.

There are a lot of people who are against homeless shelters because they see it as promoting lazyness. If homeless people know there is a shelter to go eat and sleep...what motivation do they have to get a job and try to survive on thier own? I don't have that opinion...but many do. So from the perspective of people who have this opinion...workers at a homeless shelter are enabling the problem to continue.

Woman who runs a home for battered women.

I'm sure this person wouldn't be too popular in a Muslim country who practices Sharia law. Or someone may see women shelters similar to homeless shelters...it gives women a place to run and hide instead of trying to face the problem. Some may think they are places just to further condition women to feeling helpless and weak against men. To those people...the woman running the shelter will be viewed as "guilty" in promoting those negatives.




You may not agree with those rationales above...I certainly don't...but I am sure there are some people that do. The point is just because YOU see bank workers as "guilty"...doesn't make it true...because like I said...I'm pretty sure I can take ANY job and show it from some angle as being negative from some perspective.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


You are stretching badly here. I asked for examples how these things are helping the "banking elite". The banking elite generally are not those that practice sharia law.

As far as the homeless shelter, being lazy is not illegal, you can make an argument for immoral. Using the banking system to suck up all the wealth and basically ste4al from everyone is illegal AND immoral.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The point is just because YOU see bank workers as "guilty"...doesn't make it true...because like I said...I'm pretty sure I can take ANY job and show it from some angle as being negative from some perspective.

My hwole point is the entire banking system is flawed, illegal in alot of cases, and immoral. Im not a Christian, but the Bible (as well as the Koran) forbids usury, or interest. So why would any Christian work at a bank?

So its not "me" saying people are "guilty". Im merely just point ing out the (not so) obvious.

You have to wonder, why do so many people feel this way? Has our point of view been manipulated? Why would we curse a politician, but not the teller enforcing the actions?

Everyone is outraged at TSA employees right now. But they are just employees doing their job right?

Originally posted by Traydor

Some advice - Before you start pointing fingers at somebody make sure there's none pointing back.

I very much doubt the bank tellers are waking up each morning planning on how to mess up someone's day. Also so far the people who have posted so far are defending the lower staff and not the actual policies or the ones who make these policies which is what you were asking us in the first place. The people who have posted so far understand that things are not as black and white as you appear to stating.

Its very easy to say "the world is not black and white", but the choice between right and wrong is. If you went to work, and your boss handed you a gun and asked you to shoot Johnson in accounting, would you do it? Just doing your job? So why is theft OK?

As for calling us hypocrites, that is more than harsh and very childish, you have asked us for our opinion and when you have been getting responses that you don't like or understand you lash out at them, why is that? we are only stating our opinions on this subject nothing more.

What would be the name for someone that says "person x is just doing their job, but person y is a hateful socialist fearmonger" when both X and Y have the same boss?

reply to post by aching_knuckles

You are stretching badly here. I asked for examples how these things are helping the "banking elite". The banking elite generally are not those that practice sharia law.

I don't really care what you asked for...it isn't what I stated.

I said most jobs can be viewed in a negative way from some perspective. Never did I say that "most jobs help the banking elite"...that is you trying to twist my words to better fit your needs.

My hwole point is the entire banking system is flawed, illegal in alot of cases, and immoral. Im not a Christian, but the Bible (as well as the Koran) forbids usury, or interest. So why would any Christian work at a bank?

It's not illegal...and it doesn't matter what the Bible or the Koran says...we don't use those to determine if something is illegal or not. Please show me the law that makes banks illgeal.

You have to wonder, why do so many people feel this way? Has our point of view been manipulated? Why would we curse a politician, but not the teller enforcing the actions?

Tell me something...do you use a bank for any of their services? If you do...aren't you a bit of a hypocrite...and if you don't...then why do you care?

Everyone is outraged at TSA employees right now. But they are just employees doing their job right?

manufactured outrage is popular these days...and it is all being fed to everyone by the "evil media" that people on this site usually hate and don't beleive...but they are allowing them to lead them by the nose on this issue.

Yes, they are innocent. Most people are completely unaware of the fact that the heads of the world's banking systems rule the world.

Your analogy to the Nazis doesn't fly. It's one thing to try a "just following orders" defense when you forced a line of Jews at gunpoint to dig a ditch and then stand over it while you shot them. It's quite another to perform the service of giving somebody a cash withdrawal from their account.

The level of ignorance as to both the big picture and the moral consequences of one's individual actions, is starkly different between the two cases.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


You are being willfuly ignorant.You are the one chaging things to better fit your needs - you didnt answer my question, and you cant, so therefore you have to twist it around.

I never said banking in itself is illegal. I said many policies are illegal. I also said the Christian bible places moral limits on lending money, NOT LAW, and there fore any Christian that endorses and uses our banking system is going against their own bible.

And I put my money where my mouth is, I dont use a bank account at all. THey make it hard to do so, but I would rather have my life be harder than feed a parasite. Thats how they get you to play a long...they make it EASY for you to join in, but HARD to opt out.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

I don't really care what you asked for...it isn't what I stated.

I said most jobs can be viewed in a negative way from some perspective. Never did I say that "most jobs help the banking elite"...that is you trying to twist my words to better fit your needs.

No, you said that any job can appear to be "corrupted", and in your previous response, you still didnt show corruption either, you showed that some people dont agree with it. So you failed on all counts.

Originally posted by NewlyAwakened

The level of ignorance as to both the big picture and the moral consequences of your individual actions, is starkly different between the two cases.

edit on 22-11-2010 by NewlyAwakened because: (no reason given)

So at what point does ignorance not become allowable as an excuse?
Is it dependent on who got hurt, or how much?
So as long as I am ignorant of how much resources I am wasting by typing on the internet, its all cool, right?
As long as I dont know that Chinese manufacturing is killing america, im not complicit in that, even though i CHOSE to buy from a thrid world economy?

reply to post by aching_knuckles


You just have to ask yourself if you have made all the right/moral choices that has NEVER had a negative effect on ANYBODY in your ENTIRE life. I will say for certain that you are no saint but i would never condemn you if you have or do something that i don't agree with, i simply don't have that right and just as importantly neither do you.

This could have been an interesting debate but you don't seem willing to take aboard other people's point of view. If your not willing to do this then why bother start this topic? Whatever your answer is it doesn't really matter now, you have demeaned yourself by not being open to other people's view and went straight on the attack, therefore, no room for debate. This topic is now pointless.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


That's not entirely true. These people who work at the bank branches do not necessarily like or endorse bank policies. Myself, for example. I liked trying to help people get mortgages, help them invest their money and plan for the future. Financial responsibility is a good thing! If there was a way where I could circumvent bank policy (if possible) in order to help someone out, then I would do it. Which then led to conflics many times with the interests of my employers, and led to the eventual demise of my banking career.

A lot of times (where I used to live), the only half-decent paying job one could get (that was not working in a factory of some sort) was working in a bank or credit union.

Cut these people a break. It's the people at the TOP of the banking structure/hierarchy who set policy who are the one's you're after.

Originally posted by Traydor
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You just have to ask yourself if you have made all the right/moral choices that has NEVER had a negative effect on ANYBODY in your ENTIRE life. I will say for certain that you are no saint but i would never condemn you if you have or do something that i don't agree with, i simply don't have that right and just as importantly neither do you.

This could have been an interesting debate but you don't seem willing to take aboard other people's point of view. If your not willing to do this then way bother start this topic? Whatever your answer is it doesn't really matter now, you have demeaned yourself by not being open to other people's view and went straight on the attack, therefore, no room for debate. This topic is now pointless.

Well, all you have done is attack me, and you claim I ruin the debate?
I am merely pointing out the flaws in everyones reasoning, the hypocrisy, and everyone just keeps saying the same things, the things they are programmed to think.

Of course I have hurt people. But apparently, I care about these things, whereas most other people dont as long as they are "surviving", and "doing their jobs."

Not one single perosn on this thread has attacked the truthfulness of what I say, they just claim it is "different", or i am using "bad analogies", but not one person can give me a reason "Why".

Originally posted by kommunist

Cut these people a break. It's the people at the TOP of the banking structure/hierarchy who set policy who are the one's you're after.

But if these people didnt do the dirty work, who would?

Its like claiming "Soldiers dont do anything about war, its the politicians that start them." Well, thats true, but unfortunately, its not the politicians triggers pulling the fingers.

What I am talking about is personal responsibility to the human race. At what point does this come into play?

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
So at what point does ignorance not become allowable as an excuse?
Is it dependent on who got hurt, or how much?
So as long as I am ignorant of how much resources I am wasting by typing on the internet, its all cool, right?
As long as I dont know that Chinese manufacturing is killing america, im not complicit in that, even though i CHOSE to buy from a thrid world economy?

Okay, sure. We're all accomplices. We all have a part to play in the disintegration of civilization. I will readily admit that. Happy?

But becoming aware of specific ways you are responsible for this stuff, and experiencing true remorse, is an individual spiritual path. External condemnation never helps anyone, as pretty much every great spiritual teacher throughout history, and any decent psychologist or sociologist, can confirm.

Motes and beams, you know.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


Have you ever had a loan? Mortgage, car loan, student loan?

Have you ever used a credit card?


If you have never used any of the banking services...then they banking industry has no control over your life and therefore you shouldn't be concerned with it. And yet you are....why is that?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Have you ever had a loan? Mortgage, car loan, student loan?

Have you ever used a credit card?


If you have never used any of the banking services...then they banking industry has no control over your life and therefore you shouldn't be concerned with it. And yet you are....why is that?

Because I see it destroying my country and my society.

You seem hellbent on defending the banksters.....why is that?

reply to post by aching_knuckles


So you are comparing a nazi killing a jewish person to a teller asking someone to be fingerprinted? Really? There is no comparison for one, two (and maybe I'm wrong here) the jewish people who lived through WWII I've not heard blame the grunts who followed orders. More they (and most people) blame the people in charge of Nazi Germany for the attrocities.

How you can get upset with a teller makes me think you need some anger management classes. There are higher ups who makes these rules and regulations, and for the most part, they think it is for our safety.

reply to post by aching_knuckles

Because I see it destroying my country and my society.

The banks have created the country and society that you are living in. Without the banks we wouldn't have near the quality of life that we do now.

You seem hellbent on defending the banksters.....why is that?

They provide a valid service to those people who wish to use it. If you don't want to use it...don't...if you do...then it is there for you.

It's that little thing we call "freedom".

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The banks have created the country and society that you are living in. Without the banks we wouldn't have near the quality of life that we do now.

True. Without the current pyramid setup with the Fed on top, we would have a much better one.

There's nothing (inherently) wrong with bankers in a free banking setup, but those days are long gone.