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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by GoodOlDave
It's strange because I doubt any of these firemen have ever seen a skyscaper collapse before.
So I find it strange that they thought this one would.
I haven't seen any pics of this huge damage to WTC7, the bulging walls or the massive fires.
Could you please share them with us?
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
And you never will. Just like you will never see video or photographic evidence of a commercial airliner striking the PentaCon. So, for the time being, you will have to settle for GOD directing you to planted witnesses and bad actors.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by TrueFalse
reply to post by GoodOlDave
omg dave again.
Show me please one report of a fire fighter that talks about the 3 story bulge that the WTC 7 supposedly had. We have videos and pictures form all sides of the WTC and still i havent found ANY evidence to your "knowledge" of the bulge.
Absolutely. The following is from an interview with Deputy NYFD chief Peter Hayden, who was physically there at WTC 7 tryign to get the fires under control:
Firehouse: Other people tell me that there were a lot of firefighters in the street who were visible, and they put out traffic cones to mark them off?
Hayden: Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o�clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o�clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that�s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn�t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
The full interview can be found here. Give the page time to load.
www.firehouse.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">FIREHOUSE.COM Interview
Your arguments are just ridicoulus. I could also say that Aliens from the Moon highjacked the planes and destroyed the WTCs and it would make as much sense as your story...
You are being intellectually lazy here. The conspiracy people, almost to a man, never actually investigate what the people who were there actually said, or did, or saw. They rely entirely upon prepackaged second or third hand information rations from these damned fool conspiracy web sites that are telling them only what they want them to know. I, on the other hand, am literally quoting the people who were there as they'd necessarily be the best sources to find out what was going on there. Deputy Chief Hayden was there. You and I were not.
I will believe him over your friend Dylan Avery who does nothing but make internet videos in his dorm room, if you don't mind.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by GoodOlDave
It's strange because I doubt any of these firemen have ever seen a skyscaper collapse before.
So I find it strange that they thought this one would.
I haven't seen any pics of this huge damage to WTC7, the bulging walls or the massive fires.
Could you please share them with us?
I'm not going by pics, I'm going by eyewitness accounts. Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 when WTC 1 fell on it, and he said in an interview that when rescue workers were pulling him out he went out through the lobby and it looked like King Kong came by and trashed the place. I'd post the transcript, but I have a hunch you've already seen it.
FYI this wasn't from a cadet firemen. This was from the deputy fire chief with decades of experience under his belt. I dare say that if it happened in New York, he's seen it.
I'm not going by pics, I'm going by eyewitness accounts. Barry Jennings was inside WTC 7 when WTC 1 fell on it, and he said in an interview that when rescue workers were pulling him out he went out through the lobby and it looked like King Kong came by and trashed the place. I'd post the transcript, but I have a hunch you've already seen it.
FYI this wasn't from a cadet firemen. This was from the deputy fire chief with decades of experience under his belt. I dare say that if it happened in New York, he's seen it.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
And you never will. Just like you will never see video or photographic evidence of a commercial airliner striking the PentaCon. So, for the time being, you will have to settle for GOD directing you to planted witnesses and bad actors.
??? So are you saying that Deputy Fire chief Peter Haden and Barry Jennings are planted witnesses and bad actors? That they're involved in a coverup that caused the murder of 343 fire fighters? Go ahead, accuse them of being secret agents. I double dog dare you.
You are making up childish excuses to avoid having to accept the fact that your conspiracy stories are wrong. You know that and so do I.
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
This may be a stupid question, but how does Mr. Jennings' eyewitness account prove the claim that there was a three story bulge in WTC 7? Why would there be all this damage to the interior lobby of WTC 7, while the exterior of the building only showed some isolated fires on about four floors? Could it be that the damage to the interior lobby of WTC 7 was cause by bombs within that building?
WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of "collapse"
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
3.Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
7. Fore-knowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY
In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendary devices was discovered:
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
10. Chemical signature of thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples
WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
The building's older design utilizes thick masonry and gives the building added strength, which helped the building withstand the attacks and remain structurally sound. The building has thick, heavy masonry in the infill exterior walls, which encloses the building's steel frame. Brick, cinder, concrete and other masonry materials encase interior steel columns, beams, girders and other structural elements. The masonry allowed the structure to absorb much of the energy from debris hitting the building. Nonetheless, the building had extensive damage to its east and south facades. Underground cable vaults belonging to Verizon, along with other underground utility infrastructure were also heavily damaged from water and debris.
Because of their close proximity and the devastating nature of the collapse of World Trade Center Towers 1 and 2, 140 West Street suffered severe structural and façade damage to its south face, with entire column bays destroyed as high as the 13th story. To the east, a mere 60’ away across Washington Street, stood a 47 Story building identified as 7 World Trade Center. When 7 WTC collapsed later that same day, it fell to the west, causing even more structural damage to the eastern portions of the first 9 floors of Verizon’s most critical equipment floors. The burning rubble from its remains piled seven stories high against and through the east façade of 140 West Street. While the sturdy Verizon building did remain standing, extreme damage was suffered in the surrounding streets by the collapsed steel and concrete, severely damaging Verizon’s underground cable vaults, and severing incoming Con Edison feeders, DC power and steam service, domestic water mains and sanitary sewage piping.
Reason Verizon survived while WTC 7 failed lies in the construction
type. Verizon had heavy masonry shell which resisted penetration by debris.
The masonry allowed the structure to absorb much of the energy from debris hitting the building. Nonetheless, the building had extensive damage to its east and south facades. Underground cable vaults belonging to Verizon, along with other underground utility infrastructure were also heavily damaged from water and debris.
Your statement about Verizon escaping is false.....