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Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile

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posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod
More than the world combined...thats scary on 2 points...

1. Either this dude know far more than we do about some kind of threat to warrant spending even more
2. The rest of the world must be ganging up and getting ready for some kind of war with the US...atleast Russia and China anyways!!!


Well he did say this:


This is no longer a threat to only our military thousands of miles from the homeland. This is a show of force sending a signal that downtown USA is now capably of being hit by an undetected submarine and at any time. It may very well be the beginning of the real power struggle between the United States and China. If so, I predict the next phase will be China's demand for the US to cease support of Taiwan, and so it goes.


That's pretty scary stuff.




posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by jrmcleod
You mean the Plaedian woman who everyone was sceaming HOAX at because of the rubbish she was spewing??? Now if she got this right, what else has she got right??? Again if she is right, maybe those who scream HOAX at her are the ones with their eyes wide shut!!!

Maybe


Well, not being one of the ones who called her a HOAX - even though I didn't put much stake in her words - I do have to say that this Chinese thing was one of the first things that came to my mind when it first happened. I think a lot of people had that feeling, not from channeling but from gut.


Ah i see...maybe me being across the pond in the UK, i wasnt too in-tune with current anxieties between the US and China, but whats good abot this...in a sense...is that ATS has once again proven that if someone puts there mind to it and constructively disassembles a conspiracy, it can be proven true...

All we need now are people to start analytically thinking about all possibilities instead of calling HOAX at all that seems outlandish...at the end of the day, this is a conspiracy site!!!



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
 


LA plane theory is blown out of sky by boondock-saint.


yes he deserves at least a pat on the back.


although i must admit the first place i heard that theory from was the crazy plaedian blonde lady with the big ____'s


Nah, even I mentioned it as just a possible scenario very early on in the first thread...
Although I was just stating it as an example of what may have happened, not fact..



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
 


LA plane theory is blown out of sky by boondock-saint.


yes he deserves at least a pat on the back.


although i must admit the first place i heard that theory from was the crazy plaedian blonde lady with the big ____'s


Nah, even I mentioned it as just a possible scenario very early on in the first thread...
Although I was just stating it as an example of what may have happened, not fact..


Yeah but suggesting something and putting your reputation on the line to try and prove something you firmly believe are 2 different things. Maybe if people got some kind of recognition for proving something to be true...(if this DEFINATELY IS) then it would encourage people to work together instead of against eachother!!

I have a renewed sense of faith in ATS!!!



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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Yeah but suggesting something and putting your reputation on the line to try and prove something you firmly believe are 2 different things. Maybe if people got some kind of recognition for proving something to be true...(if this DEFINATELY IS) then it would encourage people to work together instead of against eachother!!

I have a renewed sense of faith in ATS!!!

lol, Some are saying I'm the only fool on ATS that still doesn't think it was flight 902..
Not sure where the faith comes from



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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Yes it was a plane. My name is Tim Brummer, I am an aerospace engineer BSAE Northrop University 1978. I worked on the B-1 bomber program, and was later a rocket launch engineer at Vandenberg Air Force Base working for Martin Marietta on the Titan and Space Shuttle programs from 1981 to 1992. You can Google my name along with "Northrop University" or "Martin Marietta".

I have watched at least 100 rocket launches from Vandenberg AFB up close in person. This General has apparently never seen a rocket launch in person. It's a lot different seeing them in person as compared to a video.

At first glance the trail looks like a rocket launch, but it falls apart under scrutiny.
1. When you closely watch the video, the object creating the trail is moving very slowly, a rocket at this altitude would be going 5000 to 10,000 MPH.
2. The trail is too wide, rocket smoke trails are much narrower.
3. There is no flame shooting out of the object, rockets have a bright yellow flame at least as long as the rocket itself shooting out (it shows up as white on film).
4. After a few minutes a rocket exhaust trail zigzags all over the sky, due to high speed winds coming from different directions, this trail maintains it's shape.
5. You can HEAR a rocket launch at least 30 miles away, they have a very distinctive low cackling rumble caused by the supersonic exhaust, a Titan IV would really rattle the windows on my house 15 miles away, did anyone in the LA beach area or out on a boat HEAR it? No.

When I saw the closeup video shot, for I instantly knew it was a contrail coming off a jet aircraft because or reasons #1 thru #3 above. Further viewing confirms it's an aircraft by #4.

If nobody believes the above reasons I can post actual rocket videos.



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by TimBrummer
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
 


Yes it was a plane. My name is Tim Brummer, I am an aerospace engineer BSAE Northrop University 1978. I worked on the B-1 bomber program, and was later a rocket launch engineer at Vandenberg Air Force Base working for Martin Marietta on the Titan and Space Shuttle programs from 1981 to 1992. You can Google my name along with "Northrop University" or "Martin Marietta".

I have watched at least 100 rocket launches from Vandenberg AFB up close in person. This General has apparently never seen a rocket launch in person. It's a lot different seeing them in person as compared to a video.

At first glance the trail looks like a rocket launch, but it falls apart under scrutiny.
1. When you closely watch the video, the object creating the trail is moving very slowly, a rocket at this altitude would be going 5000 to 10,000 MPH.
2. The trail is too wide, rocket smoke trails are much narrower.
3. There is no flame shooting out of the object, rockets have a bright yellow flame at least as long as the rocket itself shooting out (it shows up as white on film).
4. After a few minutes a rocket exhaust trail zigzags all over the sky, due to high speed winds coming from different directions, this trail maintains it's shape.
5. You can HEAR a rocket launch at least 30 miles away, they have a very distinctive low cackling rumble caused by the supersonic exhaust, a Titan IV would really rattle the windows on my house 15 miles away, did anyone in the LA beach area or out on a boat HEAR it? No.

When I saw the closeup video shot, for I instantly knew it was a contrail coming off a jet aircraft because or reasons #1 thru #3 above. Further viewing confirms it's an aircraft by #4.

If nobody believes the above reasons I can post actual rocket videos.





Could you speculate on why a NORAD Brigadier General would say that a Chinese Missile was launched off the coast of California and this info was passed onto the POTUS.


edit on 21-11-2010 by Violater1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:23 PM
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Haha. I thought this was a serious thread until i saw the source!!!




posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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Do the experts have a strong evidence to prove that it is from China?
edit on 21-11-2010 by skyvia because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
You still think it was a PLANE? Please state your credentials for your assessment. Cash did.

my credentials: I am a nobody but an ATS member.

I had hoped people would see between the lines
here but some people just can't.

Cash is not playing up the fact that he thinks
it's a missile. He is playing up the fact that Obama
did nothing about it. It was an Obama bashing story.

For the past 6 weeks, the elite and the GOP have been
throwing rumors out there that Obama was incompetent
and insane and here comes another thread aimed at
bashing Obama and Cash used Obama's name
specifically to show Obama was incompetent.
In fact they will do almost anything to get Obama
out of office. Obama brought troops home from Iraq
and Afgh against the Military Industrial Complex's wishes.
They want to bomb Iran, Obama said NO. It kind of
reminds me a lil of JFK's actions in the Cuban invasion.
No, I did not compare Obama to JFK, just that anti-war
is a trait they share. When you have a president who is
anti-war elected to a country known for war, there is a
big problem. First it was the birther syndrome, then
the incompetent syndrome (depression, mental illness, etc.),
now there is the incompetence of defending the homeland.
There are some people in high places who want Obama
out of office it appears to me. And this latest garbage video
of a plane contrail was strictly designed to go after
Obama's credibility as president by playing it up
in the media as a missile. Even the Bildebergers
showed up in those TV interviews to claim it was
a missile. Ellsworth and McInerney are both connected
with Bildebergers and the elite. That should be a
big tip off that Obama is NOT following the rules
they set for him. It's a lot easier for them to show
him being incompetent and have him impeached
on several points than to try to cover-up another
CIA assassination.

And I'll bet Biden is standing in the wings just
waiting for the opportunity to appease the
Military Industrial Complex.



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
 

Haha. I thought this was a serious thread until i saw the source!!!




In regards to your moniker above your Avatar,"I'm the man behind the curtain." This is a reference to The Wizard of Oz: Where the Wizard states," don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain."

Well then, I will take your sound advice.
I don't think the full story is out, but time will tell.
My official position still stands, it was a plane.
But I could be officially wrong.



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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First its the Missile getting shot off the coast of L.A - Chinese

Then its the Fighter Jet getting shot down in Alaska - Chinese

Then its the announcement of -

Lockheed Martin to build 31 F-35 joint strike fighter aircraft under terms of $3.5 billion contract

Lockheed Martin to Build 31 Fighter Jets

Sounds like the U.S Military is either very upset or very very smart - either way its calls for an upgrade!



edit on 21-11-2010 by Mark_Frost because: Typo



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Mark_Frost
First its the Missile getting shot off the coast of L.A - Chinese
Then its the Fighter Jet getting shot down in Alaska - Chinese
Then its the announcement of -
Lockheed Martin to build 31 F-35 joint strike fighter aircraft under terms of $3.5 billion contract
Lockheed Martin to Build 31 Fighter Jets
Sounds like the U.S Military is either very upset or very very smart - either way its calls for an upgrade!

do not confuse ALL military with some of the
military that has been bought out.
There are 2 different factions.

Also, you forgot to mention the 20 new fighter jets
promised free to Isarel and the $600B Arms deal
to Saudi Arabia and the EU Missile Shield.

If you cannot get your own country to
do the fighting then you have to sell your
arms to other countries to do the fighting.
With our troops back home, to keep those
war profits up, arms have to be sold to
compensate for the loss in use by US forces.

The US has become the biggest exporter
of death in the world. I think Obama wants
to change that statistic and the Military
Industrial Complex is fighting him tooth
and nail.

You know, I use to remember a time in my
life when the US actually made good-natured
products. All we make now ......
is war.



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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I understand everything you are saying but I'm just not convinced Obama is as peacefull as you make out..
2nd



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
I understand everything you are saying but I'm just not convinced Obama is as peacefull as you make out..

one of the first things Obama did that led me
to this conclusion was the Netenyahu visit where
Obama pissed him off. Netenyahu wanted war
with Iran.

Next was the war strategy by Obama in Iraq
and Afgh. You had a Afgh commander
replaced when he objected.

Then you had the troop withdrawals.

Also notice as of this date
we have NOT bombed Iran.
Who do you think made that decision???

The same person in the hot seat right now.

or at least, that's my theory.



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:28 PM
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Obama may have brought home a few troops but they increased the contractors.

As for P'ing off Netenyahu , we'll I guess 20 jets and a promise that he will shield Israel from future actions, all just so Israel stops its illegal activities for 90 days??
Yep, that'll P Off Netenyahu ..



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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1. General Cash is 71 years old

2. He has never seen a large rocket launch in person, only small air to air missiles

3. He has never seen a contrail video using zoom lens, he has only seem them in real life.

Everything looks different on TV. He is a confused old man.

4. Is he a consultant for any military hardware supplier?


edit on 21-11-2010 by TimBrummer because: Clarification



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
Obama may have brought home a few troops but they increased the contractors.

As for P'ing off Netenyahu , we'll I guess 20 jets and a promise that he will shield Israel from future actions, all just so Israel stops its illegal activities for 90 days??
Yep, that'll P Off Netenyahu ..

I think u may be missing the larger picture.
The increase in contractors had nothing to
do with Obama. Those contractors work
for individual companies outside of Obama's
control. But he did bring home (most) of the
ones he was in control of.

As far as Israel goes, who do you think makes
the armaments (bombs) for those planes?
US companies. What good is a plane without
bombs and missiles. It's like giving a crack addict
a crack pipe. Sure, I'll give him a $5.00 pipe
if he buys $1,000.00 of crack in the future.
That was just an example, I don't sell drugs.

Plus, giving the planes to Israel increases the
chances that Israel will attack Iran ALONE
and not get US Military involved. That's anti-war
policy isn't it? And I think the tanks deployed
to Afgh is a defensive measure to protect Afgh
from being invaded by Iran should Israel attack
Iran's nuke sites. Iran may decide to come
south over the border as retaliation. And 90 days
gives Obama enough time to get those defensive
tanks into position.

The pieces fit in my opinion. Obama is trying
to keep us out of Iran IMO.

However, if Iran comes south, then he won't
have a choice.

edit on 11/21/2010 by boondock-saint because: clarifying



posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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Plus, giving the planes to Israel increases the
chances that Israel will attack Iran ALONE
and not get US Military involved. That's anti-war
policy isn't it?


Boon, anti war is just that, "anti war"...
You are not "anti war" if you give someone else the weapons to start a war...
You STILL increased the chance and scale of war by selling or giving away weapons..
"Anti War" would be if he cut weapons manufacturing, not increase it..



posted on Nov, 22 2010 @ 12:02 AM
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I'm just listening to Joel Skousan (world afairs brief ) on Rense
sunday repeat from thursday night
he is saying missle
he said when it happened there was an emergency meeting of the heavy brass in washington....

Joul Skousan seems to get a lot of respect,
and appears to be a very well informed and intelligent analist.
He said the chinese are letting the US know
don't be evil

in this case if that is true, I'm thinking the chinese are talking direct to the people
not the government...

PS he said the russian and the chinese are in gear and are lookin at the US...so
PERSONALLY the prophesy I follow hints at that...for what its worth
edit on 22-11-2010 by Danbones because: (no reason given)



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