Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by St Udio
I can't relate the "seven" to the "ten" in the way you suggest, because it seems to me that the "seven kings" and the "ten kings" are two completely
different sets of kings.
On the one hand, the narrative in Revelation ch17 makes it clear that the seven kings are coming in succession. Five kings, we note, have already
gone. Another one will only last a short time. This is a sequence of rulers, not an alliance of seven simultaneous rulers.
For that reason, I've been inclined to understand the seven heads of the Beast in the same way, as coming in succession. In support of that idea, I
would draw attention to the way that people in ch13 do not distinguish between the wounded head of the Beast and the Beast itself. The head recovers,
and they marvel at the Beast. It is as if each head of the Beast, in succession, is the current manifestation of the Beast for its own particular
On the other hand, the ten kings are plainly simultaneous, with each other and with the Beast. So I would regard them as two completely different
sure the Rev 17 and the Rev 13 Beasts; 7 heads/kings, 10 horns are separate... but they are also intertwined
Rev 17: scarlet Beast ( upon which sits the Babylon Whore)
has a duality-> in 17:8 we are told the red beast "Once was- Is Not- yet will Ascend from the Pit" once again
( ergo; the red beast is both a past earthly manifestation of Apollyon/Abaddon who ascends from the pit for 42 months
-and manifests on Earth as the 2nd beast of Rev 13:11)
this ties in with the final King (even as an Eighth King is One-of-the-Seven) of Rev 13
Rev 17 goes on to explain that the 7 heads = They are also
the phrase Are Also, means that the information is primarily about the End-Times/ 70th Week of Daniel...but also has a deeper & layered
significance...concerning humanities rule over the Ages from prior to Babylon up to the 10 toes and 7 rulers of the final 'beast empire'
Five of which had already fallen -
and One King is Now..... (i.e.Nero ? of Pauls' banishment time around 70-90 AD?)
and the final 7th king who is to share power with the beast for an 'hour'..
.and be immediately replaced by the 8th king ( AKA: the false prophet / beast that arises from the abyss of the Earth [2nd beast] of the AntiChrists'
the period of the 7 kings & 10 heads is both mega-history and
micro-history of the final 7 years and the period of 42 months which is the Great
Tribulation under the AntiChrists Empire
See, the reason for the imagery and mixed symbols and mixture of Numbers and the cross-over 'identities' of these Beasts (individuals, or sequential
empires- or geo-political structures - religious/social paradigms....)
is to befuddle the left-brain & right-brain hemispheres until the End-Of-Age time period when a deliberate lack of discernment (brain fog) is put in
place by the Holy Spirit, so we can not know the day or the hour.
as i said in earlier post(s) the scarlet beast/ beast from sea/beast from land, beast that is like Leopard, feet of Bear, Mouth of Lion is designed to
intermingle...the thought balloon is intended to be unclear in specific terms and work in many levels or dimensions of thought...
physical & spiritual in nature:
physical in nature with the Rev 13 beast
spiritual in nature as evidenced by Rev 17 beast
thanks for your time
edit on 16-11-2011 by St Udio because: spacing for easier clarity
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