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Originally posted by PronoEast
Remember, my argument is strictly on a Christian level. And I, as a follower of Jesus Christ, stand firm in saying you can NOT be a Christian and a Mason.
EDIT: I am not saying that everyone in Freemasonry believes this. But the organization does. So if you see something wrong with Masonry's stance on any of these issues, maybe you should question your committment to this "club"?edit on 22-11-2010 by PronoEast because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Skippy1138
Hi Ted-welcome to ATS!
Please believe me when I say I am NOT a "paranoid Mason-hater", but I wonder if you could address Albert Pike and his statements about Lucifer being God, and how initiates and lower degree Masons are intentionally misled as to what the organization is really about?
Albert Pike never, ever said anything about Lucifer being God. That was an anti-Masonic hoax invented and perpetuated by a Frenchman named Leo Taxil.
Pike did believe that the Blue degrees obscured and "intentionally misled" initiates as to the purpose of the organization. Pike believed that Masonry was really the Templar Order in disguise, and noted that the Blue degrees do not even mention the Templars.
We now know that Pike was in error in his thinking on that subject, so his comments about people being "intentionally misled" are no longer relevant.
Originally posted by network dude
On the other hand, If God is as I see him and he is all loving and all powerful, then I guess he can build a special room for you folks and just tell you that ya'll are the only ones there.
Originally posted by SirKnightE
That is why it pisses me off when people use Pike as the got to guy for masonry. There is no degree in masonry higher than that of Master Mason.
Originally posted by Skippy1138
Originally posted by SirKnightE
That is why it pisses me off when people use Pike as the got to guy for masonry. There is no degree in masonry higher than that of Master Mason.
I never said Pike was the "go to" guy for Masonry. Instead of being "pissed off" at me, you should be glad I'm willing to ask questions and educate myself and not just blindly believe everything I read on the Internet.....
Originally posted by SirKnightE
Originally posted by Skippy1138
Originally posted by SirKnightE
That is why it pisses me off when people use Pike as the got to guy for masonry. There is no degree in masonry higher than that of Master Mason.
I never said Pike was the "go to" guy for Masonry. Instead of being "pissed off" at me, you should be glad I'm willing to ask questions and educate myself and not just blindly believe everything I read on the Internet.....
Dont feel so special, I didnt even read your reply, I was talking about people in general using Pike as the poster boy for satan in masonry. But now that i think I did read some of it. Pike did say something about Lucifer being the bright morning star. Lucifer is the light bearer or light bringer. Which has absolutly nothing to do with masonry. Jesus said I am the way truth and Light. Pike may think of Lucifer as A god, but not the God. Even THE God acknowledges that there are other gods besides him. And in a since Satan is a god, THE God gave satan dominion over this earth. That is why we are born into sin. So like I said Pike may or may not said some off the wall sh!t that no one should take it as him speaking for all of masonry. Masonry is a beautiful system of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated through signs and symbols. So nothing in masonry can be taken to face value, its secrets are only there to teach a specific lesson and apply it to life. Making good men, better men