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[Important] TSA and Venereal Disease and YOU!

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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Now this is an interesting conundrum, people here will now cite an article as source that cites this thread as source... *brain pop*

Strange, strange place, this thing we call the Interwebz.

~Heff




posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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This triggered my BS alert:


I picked up shingles after going to a theme park.


Did you ever have the Chicken Pox before this incident? (It is important. Read this informative link):


Is shingles contagious?
Once got shingles, people may want to know, are shingles contagious? Actually, it is contagious to persons who have not had chickenpox (Information about what do chicken pox look like). Therefore, the people will catch chickenpox if they you come in contact with the rash/sores and fluid that is draining from the person who has shingles. However, you can’t easily get shingles itself directly from someone else. It is caused by the chicken pox virus, which has been dormant (staying quiet) in your body ever since you had chickenpox. Shingles occurs when the virus that causes chickenpox starts up again in your body.

Can I get shingles by kissing some one who is during the contagious phase?
Human being is the only object that shingles virus can live in. The virus can be transited to others by the infection of skin, mouth, eyes and genital organs, so it is possible that the virus exist in patients’ saliva, skin lesions, nasal secretions, vaginal secretions and feces. Thus, during the contagious phase, it is not suggested to kiss with others.

www.isshinglescontagious.net...


Seems like you must have direct skin-to-secretion contact. AND, actually, bare healthy skin doesn't usually allow a virus to enter into YOU.....quite a barrier it is. Needs a lesion/opening of some sort, and of course mucus membranes, which are more susceptible.


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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Congrats! You are now a referenced author and researcher!




posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Well, whatever my skin rash was, I got it from the park as it developed that day there. The doctor I went to said it was shingles. Take your BS meter up with him.


Maybe it was a different form of the herpes virus? Either way, it doesn't dispell the point that the TSA should be changing gloves.


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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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I have not seen it myself. I have HEARD here, elsewhere, TV news, video, radio talk... there is glove to skin and glove to bare genital contact. The TSA are untrained morons for the most part and wouldnt know clean protocol if it bit them. Ive seen the vids. its incredibly irresponsible. The gloved hand IS put into the underwear and genitals are touched. Id read a few days ago about a teen girl who was searched in this enhanced method and not the pat down and her labia were parted. Her father who was traveling with her has made a few radio appearances but it got hushed up since he retained an attorney. Because I wasnt there, I can not confirm or deny. The problem is that IF this is true, spreading "VD" is very possible. VD is a broad term for several diseases and not only sexually transmitted. I worked in an ER for a decade.. we'd have been fired and sued if we'd have touched ANYONE even outside of clothes with used gloves. Used means gloves that are put on and have touched anyone other than the PT or anything outside of the room in which the PT is in. Normally you use numerous pairs of gloves for one PT depending on what youre doing/touching.

Personally I feel it is unlikely to spread everything under the umbrella of the term VD, but likely with HPV and the other infections mentioned that arent of what we consider a sexual nature. HPV is skin to skin, mouth to skin, hand to skin, or any combination. Its HIGHLY contagious and very prolific among our population. SOme do not present with lesions or warts. Its very silent in some of the strains and yes, many strains cause cancer.There is NO cure and easily passed. I can swear that there are some gross infectious people out there who's underwear I wouldnt touch even from the outside due to fluids and contagion on the fabric. Ive seen scabies,infectious lesions, and staph infections/mrsa under the breasts that these TSA agents are handling glove to skin to check under the underwire of passengers bras on video. Theyre touching the hair.. another nice place for parasites. Remember, lice love CLEAN hair.. not dirty greasy obviously unwashed hair. Ive seen MRSA and a plethora of other bacteria and grossness between the fat rolls of obese patients including open oozing infectious ulcers. ANY ostomy bag is a mixing bowl for bacteria and contagion and the TSA are handling those with the same gloves they are handling other passengers. Dumping the bags on some passengers. AIDS has been mentioned. Nope, cant pass that but along with the compromised immune system with AIDS/chemo/transplants/etc the PT will suffer infections like bacterial pnumonia,staph of all kinds, bacterial infections that will make your hair stand on end, MRSA and etc.. and this can definitely be passed on to others with dangerous contact. Dangerous contact are hands or gloves that are contaminated.

WHen dealing with infectious diseases we have a clean protocol with is infuriating, but its necessary. You can NOT check each passenger's medical history due to it being illegal. You have NO idea what you can be contaminated with this kind of person to person immediate contact. The govt, CDC and TSA doesnt know just yet either.. keep that in mind.

I HATE fear mongering.. and I hate it when I see it here on ATS, but this isnt fear mongering. This is absolutely the truth and it IS a risk... not a possible one, but a probable one given the amount of people who are being handled with dirty gloves and hands. Time will tell if it isnt suppressed. I do know that no hospital on the planet would last long under these conditions and we have less traffic in a hospital settng than an airport... AND we have medical histories on people so we knew what we were dealing with.


I dont even want to get into the ethical and constitutional issues.. the above SHOULD be enough.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Sorry, but I have to add here that the "published" information on things you all are citing as proof is sometimes grossly incorrect. Everyone in the medical community knows this and knows that research changes constantly no matter what was published nad when. Im dealing with this right now with a liver transplant complication issue. NONE of the published data is correct and it conflicts. So whomever wants to support their argument one way o the other can do so.. with the same material. Your only safe bet is clinical experience rather than reading a pulished excerpt. Even within the material, there will be additions and more info past or before that excerpt that may change what you are quoting.

I know that here everyone wants a link.. but I can support anything or the opposite with published medical information. Its a dirty secret and how many lawsuits are destroyed when the victim is correct. Most of the latest medical information is NOT on the internet btw. I cant tell you what the latest research is and you cant find it, but I can damned well tel you what I know due to dealing with it daily for a decade.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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I got it from the park as it developed that day there.


Well, I'd say whomever was working in the medical department there needs some remedial training. I looked it up, there is a three to five day period after exposure for the rash, and associated pain, to develop. Up to fourteen days for full-blown symptoms.

This is going to be a sort of "epidemic", I predict (especially now as "GASP"!! This thread has been spotted, and now repeated, in some mainstream venues??? OH, gawd!)

Hypochondria, and hysterical claims will be next...and logic and reason will suffer as a result



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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From your own link:


Is shingles contagious during swimming?
It is not suggested to swim, as it can be contagious to others. It is reported that some of people get shingles during swimming in the pool or sea.


Did I mention it was a water park?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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I got it from the park as it developed that day there.


Well, I'd say whomever was working in the medical department there needs some remedial training. I looked it up, there is a three to five day period after exposure for the rash, and associated pain, to develop. Up to fourteen days for full-blown symptoms.

This is going to be a sort of "epidemic", I predict (especially now as "GASP"!! This thread has been spotted, and now repeated, in some mainstream venues??? OH, gawd!)

Hypochondria, and hysterical claims will be next...and logic and reason will suffer as a result


Well, it may not have been hypochondria that started this whole thing....but if it weren't for hysterical claims we would not be even discussing this topic.

Did you know you are 8 times more likely to die because of an officer than a terrorist?



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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I thought about starting a thread on this too, herpes for one thing, yes the transmission of other viral or bacterial matters to the public, this is bad stuff!

Good thread, S@F



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1

I got a mention on a news site.
Now you guys have to take me seriously.


HEY You better hit up Sceptic Overlord for a cut of the revenues all that extra traffic will bring

Told yawl that ATS is where the MSM gets their stories from these days

So now we CAN make a difference on the world front



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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I'm glad this matter is starting to get the attention it needs. It is a serious health issue.

And a freedom issue:

One can pretend the fondle/molest search didn't happen or was done 'for your own good', but you can't pretend you or your child got herpes, hpv, scabies or MRSA for their own good. You cannot rationalize that away.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
This is going to be a sort of "epidemic", I predict (especially now as "GASP"!! This thread has been spotted, and now repeated, in some mainstream venues??? OH, gawd!)


You know, as a proclaimed former pilot... I really do not understand your position on this matter. Are you so callous now that the safety of the public is of no consequence to you? Is you personal issue with VD such a touchy issue that you are blinded to all the other possible infections that can be spread so easily this way?

ONE case... just ONE of ANY disease spread this way would be wrong... yet the TSA's own website already lists several, scabies being one.

Do you really think this is fear mongering? Is not the whole purpose of the TSA supposed to be 'OUR SAFETY"? And yet they give no regard to that at all and seems could care even less about treating people with human dignity.

Just wait till the next SARS virus comes along...



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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Since Im a germaphobe these days and we have a daughter who is immuno-suppressed, if we need to go anywhere we will use a private plane and pilot. We dont go out of the country anymore, so I dont have to worry about that. My question since this has begun has been when will this be spread to transit,ps and trains, subway, buses, etc? This TSA nonsense also doesnt take into account private and charter flights.. with terrorist activities. Will they do it soon when you enter the airport or exit ?? Makes one wonder how far this BS will go.

As Ive said in a previous thread, it makes NO sense whatsoever to do this to the citizens and leave our borders completely open as they really are. Between he borders and the lacking security concerning cargo ships port security and cargo flights.... one wonders just what they are doing or if they have any idea what they are doing. While the American people are being assaulted and infected, if I were a bad guy Id have already used the ports and open border to fill every major city with enough firepower for a simultaneous attack to bring the country to its knees. We couldnt even handle Katrina... an attack on one city would be bad, but simultaneous attacks woudl be crippling. I dare say explosives of any significance will not be found in my underwear or a prosthetic limb/breast/colostomy bag. Dogs and other methods can detect that kind of thing at an airport with normal searches rather than this "enhanced" weirdness. Seems like a waste of resources and money when we could be appying it to securing our borders, ports, and cargo ( planes trains and auto)



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen, you know it is a serious infringement when Zorgon gets involved. In his profile, under "topics i don't like", he lists "politics...yuck".



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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You misunderstand...I am all for reform, regarding TSA, and better oversight, more sensibility and rationality, and aggressive clamp downs (to include prosecution, when appropriate) on ANY excesses that are committed by its employees or management.

I simply think this particular topic is overblown. There are many, many legitimate reasons to "pile on" to the TSA (and, as a flight crewmember, I have my own long line of beefs, about the illogic, and flat-out FAKE "security" that is part and parcel, nowadays....but, I've mentioned this in many other threads...)

THIS thread is about specifically (per the hyperbolic, over-sensationalized title) STDs and their potential for transmission, by a simple touch.

OTHER pathogens, certainly, can be vectored far more readily...so there IS A SOLID case for changing of the gloves. Has anyone pointed out that this is standard procedure in medicine?

(oh, and thanks for being so intrusive...side job at the TSA? No, I've never had a Venereal Disease. It isn't about whether or not someone has, or is "sensitive" to it, it is the ridiculous over-hyped claims of a "sexually" transmitted disease being passed on from such methods, and for reason, of a failure to change gloves, in between over-the-top of the clothing searches).

By all means, IF you are to be searched in this manner, pay attention, demand your rights (even if the consensus has yet to be determined about the Constitutionality, and other aspects)....you at least are within reason to insist on clean gloves, if it makes you feel any better.

But, this blanket "Chicken Little" attitude that isn't really medically substantiated, with some very limited and isolated (read, tiny percentage) of extreme instances??

This sort of trash thread does a disservice to the (former) standards of ATS, as I used to look forward to.

This is "National Enquirer" and "The Star" type of fodder.....


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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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You misunderstand...I am all for reform, regarding TSA, and better oversight, more sensibility and rationality, and aggressive clamp downs (to include prosecution, when appropriate) on ANY excesses that are committed by its employees or management.

I simply think this particular topic is overblown. There are many, many legitimate reasons to "pile on" to the TSA (and, as a flight crewmember, I have my own long line of beefs, about the illogic, and flat-out FAKE "security" that is part and parcel, nowadays....but, I've mentioned this in many other threads...)

THIS thread is about specifically (per the hyperbolic, over-sensationalized title) STDs and their potential for transmission, by a simple touch.

OTHER pathogens, certainly, can be vectored far more readily...so there IS A SOLID case for changing of the gloves. Has anyone pointed out that this is standard procedure in medicine?

(oh, and thanks for being so intrusive...side job at the TSA? No, I've never had a Venereal Disease. It isn't about whether or not someone has, or is "sensitive" to it, it is the ridiculous over-hyped claims of a "sexually" transmitted disease being passed on from such methods, and for reason, of a failure to change gloves, in between over-the-top of the clothing searches).

By all means, IF you are to be searched in this manner, pay attention, demand your rights (even if the consensus has yet to be determined about the Constitutionality, and other aspects)....you at least are within reason to insist on clean gloves, if it makes you feel any better.

But, this blanket "Chicken Little" attitude that isn't really medically substantiated, with some very limited and isolated (read, tiny percentage) of extreme instances??

This sort of trash thread does a disservice to the (former) standards of ATS, as I used to look forward to.

This is "National Enquirer" and "The Star" type of fodder.....


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You may agree. but medical professionals do not. I have talked with doctors and nurses today about this very issue. One doctor has cancelled his flight to India next month.

Find yourself and Infection Control Specialist that agrees with you. Then your rant will carry weight. You are bucking what I know to be fact, in favor of calling people "chicken little".



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
But, this blanket "Chicken Little" attitude that isn't really medically substantiated, with some very limited and isolated (read, tiny percentage) of extreme instances??


Hmmm...with less than a week of doing it, Logan Airport has already had an outbreak of scabies (three TSA personel infected and how many passangers?). Yet you claim this is not medically substantiated and with limited and isolated instances? ONE....just ONE instance is enough for me to demand a fresh pair of gloves. Thank you very much.



posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
THIS thread is about specifically (per the hyperbolic, over-sensationalized title) STDs and their potential for transmission, by a simple touch.

OTHER pathogens, certainly, can be vectored far more readily...so there IS A SOLID case for changing of the gloves. Has anyone pointed out that this is standard procedure in medicine?


Well what you fail to understand is that sensational TITLES both here and in the Media GET THE MESSAGE out. I proved that several times here at ATS already... that a proper thread with 'proper' title gets almost zero attention and gets forgotten

Why is that? because a sensational title brings everyone out to do battle... and in the end the MESSAGE does get out to more people. You may beef with nit picking details, but this topic has already brought out the other issues, that even YOU admit are wrong...

So what is the beef? Merely 'sensationalism'?

Get used to it... it is human nature and has been what media has been doing since the printing press was invented. Just look at headlines from the last war.... things have actually gotten better in news casts but we will always have sensationalism... why? because THAT is what stirs passions and motivates debate
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posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Nutter
...three TSA personel infected


Poetic justice

If we get enough of THAT maybe TSA employees will realize the error of their ways



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