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Originally posted by AceWombat04
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
It is in my opinion, because not flying is an unreasonable alternative for many, many people. In many people's cases, it would utterly and completely disrupt their lives, possibly even destroying their quality of life. Since, for those people at least, not flying is an unreasonable alternative (because driving or taking the train state to state or coast to coast is too time intensive,) these searches are de facto mandatory for many.
Flying has become an institution in this country and around the world. It has become as common place and integral to many people's lives, employments, and livelihoods as walking or driving. The air line and the TSA have the right and the authority to bar someone from flying if there is evidence of criminal behavior or safety threats in my opinion, but not to force them to undergo a pat down or full body scan. Not without a warrant. Especially since the TSA is a Federal Agency under the DHS. That is just my opinion and interpretation of the fourth amendment. Feel free to disagree. I respect your view. (And I could be legally wrong, too. I'm not a legal scholar or an attorney. This is just my opinion.)
Originally posted by Seagle
Originally posted by MR BOB
Originally posted by Danbones
you didn't see the guy running his hands all over the boys crotch?
it aint pretty
o:24edit on 20-11-2010 by Danbones because: (no reason given)
I didn't. i saw the guy turning the kids shirt inside out at that time. you can only see the back of the kid there is no way you can say that happend for sure.
im against them feeling people up, but that's not nessecarily what i saw here.
edit on 21-11-2010 by MR BOB because: (no reason given)
Who cares what he did or didn't touch or if they ironed the damn shirt before they put it back on, they are searching a young child!!! That is what is wrong here.
Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
Actually as I mentioned above not disclosing the full details of security measures before the purchase of the flights is in clear breach of your statutory rights.
Are you saying that if they started disclosing official detailed information about the searches during the sale of the ticket, the searches would then not be violating rights?
If I recall correctly, since the last time I flew on an airline in 2007, they DO tell you the security measures. They even tell you what is and is not allowed on the flight, and to prepare to have your shoes taken off, etc. Before you even walk to the security line they tell you again.
Why don't you prove that security measures are not disclosed? Until you do, your argument holds no merit.
Everyone should know the security measures by now, so STILL, no rights are broken.
Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
Why are you defending this? Your argument is the one which is fundamentally flawed here.
I am not defending anything, I am just asking how your rights are being broken. People keep claiming rights are broken, but I think they have fooled themselves. Nobody is forcing them to fly, and nobody is forcing them to walk to the security gate. They are walking on their own.
I am saying YOUR argument is fundamentally flawed.
Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
How on Earth can your rights be broken when nobody is forcing you to be searched? No body is forcing you to fly?
Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by wcitizen
Oh great cop-out. Yes ignore answering the question.
Enjoy being groped? That is really an immature thing to say.
It's absolutely DISGUSTING that you think these people are touching children sexually. It's very telling of your mindset.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
You have it completely backwards.
Why should anyone have to prove they have a right to fly?
Aircraft exist, humans can fly in them.
Why in the world should be have to submit ourselves to humiliation in order to board a commercial airliner?
Clearly falls under the category of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, whether you are flying for business or pleasure.
It is the mentality of people like you that allow totalitarian governments to take control.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
And Obama saying that strip searches and scanners are OK won't help.... because when that piece of filth speaks, millions follow him like he's god or something.