Cavscout, you seem to be arguing that not only would a minimum wage increase hurt the working poor, but ANY minimum wage at all hurts the working
So you'd like to not have a minimum wage? Something similar to China perhaps?
Someone mentioned Wal-Mart, the world's largest employer, and also the largest employer in many defunct communities (mine included) now that
America's manufacturing infrastructure has been decimated by the efforts of cheap labor importers like Wal-Mart.
Considering Wal-Mart pays as little as possible (being the only game in town) at around $6 an hour and also does it's best to avoid benefits by
scheduling 20 to 35 hour weeks whenever possible, you do realize the typical "FT" working poor in the Wal-Mart example is lucky to earn $210 a week,
or $840 a month, or a little over $10,000 per year.
Kerry's goal to establish a $7 minimum by 2006, only increases the working poors salary to about $12,740 per year in the new 35 hour per week model
being established by Wal-Mart. $14,500 if you get 40 hours. Overtime is a thing of the past. Doesn't happen anymore in non union environments like
So that's where we'd be (or some 20 million working poor anyway) in 2 years even with the wage increase. With people working full time to earn a bit
more than twice what I paid for my private insurance (when I had insurance).
You're right in that it may
cause some employers to scale back, but wha't the alternative? Get rid of it? Do you trust an employer like
Wal-Mart that can get away with anything "the market (they own) will bear" to do the right thing? Or would they pay $5, $4, $3 an hour?
How long would it take before we're back to sweat shops? Where you spend your life toiling for pennies, buying necessities from the company store on
credit, and dying in debt? That's slavery. It's aparthied.
from a racial standpoint, but class structure. If the government draws at least some
line in the sand saying, the
wealthiest nation on earth has the obligation to offer it's full time workers this
minimum living wage (keeping in mind we're
taking about less than $15,000 per year :shk: ) I think we should.
There's capitalism and then there's just insane. I'm all for the success of the few that can work the system, but not at an unfair advantage
stacked against the majority on the bottom. I just find it hard to believe you're really
worried about the working poor here. Get rid of the
I'm more inclinded to use trade agreement requirements to attempt to enforce a minimum wage in other countries that will improve the conditions of
the poor around the world, limit the ability of multinational corps to play God and import pain and suffering and salvage what's left of the once
proud American tradition of being able to be blue collar and middle class at the same time.
Getting rid of the minimum wage pretty much makes that impossible IMO. I've had minimum wage jobs in my youth where the employers would have paid me
less in a heat beat if they could get away with it. And I've held prestigious jobs where the employers fell all over themsleves to pay me more than
they probably should have. And that's where we'd go. A two class economy. And frankly, I don't see the need to make the poor suffer any more so
that we can increase CEO salaries. You think they'd just make more jobs with the savings?
Right. Maybe some, but give me break.
Throughout history there have been two class societies with the few ruling the many. The obscenely wealthy and the obscenely poor. The middle class
which made this country great is AN INVENTION of the government inspired largely by efforts of FDR. A living minimum wage is a prime example of this
gloriously engineered society called the USA.
And now you think we don't need it anymore because it hurts business. No I'm sorry, you said
it hurts the poor. Bah. I like America just fine with a middle class thank you. One where at least getting an education and having reasonable
healthcare is a possiblity for someone not born rich. My apologies to the fuedal lords of corporate america. No pay raise for you at the citizens
[Edited on 30-6-2004 by RANT]