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posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:36 PM
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Hey people!

Just wondering whether anyone has any recent stories about alleged downed UFO's?

The only ones i can think of is the apparent encounter during the first Gulf War when an unidentified craft buzzed some American and British warships which resulted in the fleet opening fire on the thing and shooting it down apparently. Is there some evidence to back up that claim?

I've also read about an alleged encounter in Dallas, TX when ordinary people were on a bus minding their own business as you do on a bus
hehe when suddenly they noticed a silver disc/cigar (can't remember which!) shaped object streaked across the sky only to be pursued by two F-16's which were firing at it to no apparent effect. The passengers claimed they saw mini explosions coming off the UFO as the F-16's were shooting at it.

Can anyone shed light on these stories or any other for that matter?

Feeling a bit philosophical...

If our Militaries have downed UFO's then what can it mean for us, if anything?

Is it our right to shoot anything out of the sky in the name of 'self defence' and protecting our skies?

If E.T's have been captured, would they be protected under any law? Would they fall under the Geneva Convention? What classification would they fall under, POW's, Detainees...

Please dicuss!




posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:43 PM
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There hasn't been. If intelligent life from another planet was to somehow crash, the science community will run all kinda of tests on it so that they can learn more about the race. After it dies or they kill it, it would go under more tests to study organs and that.

If the government(s) was to know of another race, the threat of it would be monitored first. After that, the government would slowly bring out the truth because it could throw the world into chaos if we find out that little grey men like to come by now and again. It basicly all comes down to public reaction, if the government really does know of aliens, this is probably why its not telling us.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:12 PM
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"Recent" stories on downed UFOs? I think the most recent I've heard of was from a Disclosure Project witness.

U.S. Lance Corporal John Weygant has made statements that in 1997 he was part of a team sent to secure a UFO crash zone in Peru. It was a very large, teardrop shaped craft which oozed some kind of weird anti-freeze looking stuff. He claims that it was shot down by somebody, possibly the Peruvians. A UFO retrieval specialist team came in and relieved him of his duty at the crash site, but not before tying him up, threatening him with his life and the lives of his family members, and making him sign some secret documents to keep his mouth shut (which he apparently didnt
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I think the most recent shot-down UFO story that had the most evidence going for it is the Varginaha Brazil 1996 incident. Lots of reports about it in the Brazillian media. Cigar shaped craft with around seven living aliens captured. I think a few Brazillian soldiers talked as well, but its hard to bring this out of my memory. Anyway, it had lots of press and seems to be one of the most legitimate cases of of a downed UFO in recent history.

As for incredibly recent downed UFOs. This month (June), has seen a number of alleged large fiery meteors coming down. Sometimes exploding in the air, but mostly having little in the way of confirmed crash zones. Are they meteors? Is it possible that we're already engaging in intensive warfare against UFO type craft? The media isn't talking much about it. Though the media really never has to begin with concerning any celestial events.

Its my belief that since whatever ETs are and their purposes for secrecy, they haven't actually attacked in any overt fashion so they cant be all bad. All I can think of is that these are other civilizations who are highly interested in this planet and will go to extreme lengths to keep the citizens of earth from panicking due to such a shocking revelation as superior beings watching them and potentially experimenting on them like we do with lab rats. They may be performing benign experments for perhaps the benefit of man, but their deafening silence and avoidance of disclosure leaves this part of the subject mostly a mystery. All I really can tell is that they do not like us using nuclear power and it seems that a few are concerned over how we treat our planet. From global warming to other global disasters like a polar shift, some ETs seem to at least feign enough concern for us to scold us in secret.

Our governments likely see the problems of disclosure similarly to the ETs, but for more personal and likely selfish reasons. Nobody who is currently in power on earth wants to lose their positions of power. The status quo wants to remain as it is for as long as possible and its plain for anybody to see that ET revelation will likely destroy our current way of life, thus destroying the status quo that those in power so desperately want to hold on to.

Any captured ETs, since they do not exist according to our governments, likely have no legal protections and our governments most likely treat them as hostages. Using these beings for interplanetary political purposes and likely doing horrible things to them as warnings to other ETs to stop dropping by.

[edit on 30-6-2004 by heelstone]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:25 PM
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Cheers mate! Some really interesting stuff there. I personally believe that a few UFO's have been shot down so who knows.

Maybe the people in power aren't as power crazed as we think, even if existance of E.T's was disclosed to the public, you still need a working government to govern everything and have some sort of order.

The most interesting story for me is the one of a craft buzzing the Coalition fleet during the 1st Gulf War. Whether it's true or not remains to be seen.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:26 PM
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you would think, if they had the technology to travel all this way and build flying saucers, they'd be able to evade some fighter planes!! especially with the manouverability that you see in some UFO videos.

Reminds me of when I watched Independance Day for the first time, how I found it so unrealistic that some fighter planes managed to shoot down a load of alien craft armed with lasers and god knows what.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:37 PM
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I don't necessarily agree with the argument that because they'd have the technology to get here that they'd simply pick us off with ease. Ok they'd have better manoeuvrability but maybe their weapon system isn't as advanced? Maybe they'd have no defence against our heat seeking or radar guided missiles? Maybe their hull wouldn't be able to withstand a burst from a 20mm M61A1 Vulcan Cannon? God knows what else the American military has got in it's arsenal that we don't know about. What about the Aurora plane with pulse detonation jet?

I loved Independence Day the only thing that was unrealistic about the film was how he used the Apple Mac to stick a virus in the Mothership. The dogfights were real enough, although they could have used B1's, B2's and B52's in the final attack but there we go it's only a film lol Plus a lot of fighter planes got blown up in the film.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Flyboy211
I loved Independence Day the only thing that was unrealistic about the film was how he used the Apple Mac to stick a virus in the Mothership.


lol - yeah forgot bout that - was a classic surreal moment! like it would happen....


as for the shooting down, I still believe that their technology would be far superior as much as to edade and attack from our reletavely primitive aircraft.

I also believe that if they were any sort of intellegent race, they would have intelligence on our defense and weapons systems before they are let loose in our skys and possibly mingle with our aircraft, and would probably know what to do and what we are capable of in case we attacked them.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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Apparently they don't have the same war protocol as we do:
"Leave no man behind"

I wonder if that could be evidence for a more hostile species...or maybe their bodies are the downed ships - I've seen pictures taken at night of supossed alien spirits - questionable validity of course - photoshop is a remarkable tool



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:55 PM
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True but that's what happened in Independence Day, they had studied us for at least 50 years and that's how they knew when to strike the military bases across the world. Although i highly doubt they could destroy all the military in the world, not to mention a base like Nellis Air Force Base which if i'm not mistaken is the size of Switzerland? They probably have a car park the size of Wales or something lol

Again yes we are less advanced but perhaps advanced enough to defend ourselves, our fighter planes aren't that primitive and are improving. The latest generation of aircraft like the F/A-22 is stealthy with the addition of thrust vectoring which means it can manoeuvre the engine up or down unlike before which gives it that little extra manoeuvrability.

It's a pitty they don't make more alien invasion films like Independence Day (perhaps with less cheese and more epicness).



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:59 PM
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As far as the methods for downing UFOs goes, as has been mentioned either in this thread or the other created by this thread's author, early radar apparently created enough interference to crash ET craft.

These days I suspect reverse engineered ET technology is being used to eliminate unwanted UFO presence. For one, several Dislcosure Project witnesses who have come forward with their real names and ranks in the government allege reverse engineered weaponry is being used against UFOs.

There is also the infamous 1991 NASA video from the STS-48 Shuttle mission. Which apparently shows some as yet unknown ballistic weaponry being fired at a UFO-type target which zips back out into space. Dr. John C. "Jack" Kasher who is professor emeritus of physics and astronomy at the University of Nebraska (and head of MUFON in Nebraska) used his background to prove that what was shown on the video was not ice particles but intelligently controlled objects much farther away from the camera (meaning UFOs). Another scientist, Mark Carlotto, published a report in the Journal of Scientific Exploration also coming to the same conclusion as Kasher.

[edit on 30-6-2004 by heelstone]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:02 PM
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As long as they don't make anymore movies like Fire in the Sky - when that first came out it gave me nightmares for a month solid.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:03 PM
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the only reason we won in independance day is the whole god bless america thing. in real life, if they came at us like that, we'd be dead in a few minutes! its only a film.

Anyway, I think shooting down an alien craft would be kind of like a medieval archer trying to destroy a tank, or the Wright brother's plane having a dogfight with an F16.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:04 PM
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That wasn't a nice film, to think it's allegedly true :S



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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It can be hard to question someone's credibility when they put such a hefty reputation on the line - Some are just looking for tenure, but you can sort through the muck...



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:06 PM
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you would think, if they had the technology to travel all this way and build flying saucers, they'd be able to evade some fighter planes!!


No matter how many times I hear that....it still amazes me... As I've often said, even a caveman can bring down a helicopter, if his arrow hits the right spot...

There is ample evidence that early crashes were due to the unexpected effect that our primitive radar had on their drive systems....(especially when you look at WHERE the early crashes occurred (early radar wasn't very common, yet that's where the crashes are).

It has been stated by many supposed insiders that have come out, that we at least have the tech to effect the current stalemate. True, the average jet's machine guns may bounce off the hull (looking like little explosions)...but there are also other weapons that won't (and are emp hardened to thwart that old trick...)

Too many times, it seems people on the board want to sell us humans short....



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:07 PM
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Anyway, I think shooting down an alien craft would be kind of like a medieval archer trying to destroy a tank, or the Wright brother's plane having a dogfight with an F16.


Or like Spinal Tap opening for Godsmack...haha...like your avatar



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:12 PM
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It has been stated by many supposed insiders that have come out, that we at least have the tech to effect the current stalemate.


If you're willing to rely on their testimony. I'd love to believe half the stuff I hear but sometimes you got to question private motives and profits. Sure the government keeps things from its citizens...but to that degree??



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
No matter how many times I hear that....it still amazes me... As I've often said, even a caveman can bring down a helicopter, if his arrow hits the right spot...


very true - i stand corrected. although a fully armed helicopter would be able to take out a caveman in seconds. Another side to this is the manuoverability of the arrow vs chopper - the the chopper was as manouverable as UFOs are supposed to be, i would think it would be able to avoid the arrow. You've seen the clips of supposed UFOs manouvering in the sky - you would have thought that it could out manouver any missile fired at it, unless it was complete point blank range, which considering the speeds and objects invoved, is highly unlikely...



Or like Spinal Tap opening for Godsmack...haha...like your avatar






posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by EnronOutrunHomerun
If you're willing to rely on their testimony. I'd love to believe half the stuff I hear but sometimes you got to question private motives and profits. Sure the government keeps things from its citizens...but to that degree??

If this subject has any reality to it, then it has to also be true concerning much of the claims of extreme cover up measures by government agencies. Murder certainly would not be out of the question if indeed this subject was as top secret as we are led to believe.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:45 PM
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If Aliens have the technology to get to earth it would be a safe bet to assume there forms of travel would be far more advanced then ours. But you cant assume the same of there weapons or defenses. They may be a race that gave up weapons a long time ago and put all there time and resources into making better forms of travel and other more friendly types of technology that help instead of hurt. Humans could be the most war like weapon crazy race in the galaxy. Ofcourse aliens could be way more warlike then humans who knows.



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