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Originally posted by mikelee
reply to post by Chinesis
You people sound like a bunch of tyrants trying to make others think as you do when they express anything to your own contrary. Not everyone is a truther, dis-info type, skeptic or whatever you types call folks. Some of us are Americans with opinions. Don't like it?....Tough pal.edit on 11/21/2010 by mikelee because: Punctuation
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
"I don't claim to know everything about what went on, but a building doesn't get hit by a plane, burn for upwards of an hour, and then have nothing happen to it."
Watch out! A one hour fire caused the global collapse of two decrepit asbestos filled cash draining modern skyscrapers which were designed to withstand multiple airliner strikes, hurricane force winds and earthquakes. Yep...they designed those buildings to withstand cataclysmic natural disasters, but a one hour oxygen starved fire was enough to turn them into complete dust. I can see your point.
By the way, we won't mention the three hour fire which occurred in the North Tower in 1975; a fire which apparently burned hotter than the one on 9/11 and caused little structural damage to the building.
whatreallyhappened.com...
Fire spread through the core to the 9th and 14th floors by igniting the insulation of telephone cables in a utility shaft that ran vertically between floors. Areas at the furthest extent of the fire were extinguished almost immediately and the original fire was put out in a few hours. Most of the damage was concentrated on the 11th floor, fueled by cabinets filled with paper, alcohol-based fluid for office machines, and other office equipment. Fireproofing protected the steel from melting and there was no structural damage to the tower.
pulverized into dust
wasn't hit by an airplane and wasn't directly near the two towers
many people heard explosions
the evidence was cherry-picked to coincide with or fit that theory
Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by demonseed
"We are also talking about a LOT of weight, causing the building to collapse faster as it progresses. "
Ever hear of gravity?
Let's see..
- Asbestos filled: False. Tower 1 had abestos used to up the 40th floor, Tower 2 had none. Asbestos was banned while the towers were being construced.
- Cash draining: False. The towers held a 98% occupancy rate in February of 2001. www.panynj.gov...
- Designed to stand multiple airplane strikes. Which they did. However, noone had calculated the effects of the massive fires.
In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans.
The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.
It is yet another example of a severe fire that failed to induce even the partial collapse of a skyscraper... the Mandarin tower is notable for the magnitude of the fire it withstood -- a fire that dwarfed the fires that preceded the "collapses" of each of the the WTC skyscrapers.
No... it didn't pulverize into dust. That is truther fallacy at its best.
Source: www.technologyreview.com...
With funding from the U.S. government, Sandia National Laboratories, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory are researching how to manipulate the flow of energy within and between molecules, a field known as nanoenergentics, which enables building more lethal weapons such as "cave-buster bombs" that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs such as the "daisy cutter" or MOAB (mother of all bombs).
Source:www.technologyreview.com...
Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminum with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives Science and Technology group at Los Alamos.
"The advantage (of using nanometals) is in how fast you can get their energy out," Son says.
Son says that the chemical reactions of superthermites are faster and therefore release greater amounts of energy more rapidly.
"Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times," Son says, resulting in a very rapid reactive wave.
Source: www.technologyreview.com...
Son, who has been working on nanoenergetics for more than three years, says that scientists can engineer nanoaluminum powders with different particle sizes to vary the energy release rates. This enables the material to be used in many applications, including underwater explosive devices, primers for igniting firearms, and as fuel propellants for rockets.
However, researchers aren't permitted to discuss what practical military applications may come from this research.
Originally posted by SuperZepto
Fantastic post OP, You've done well to debunk each of their claims piece by piece. Well done! Deny ignorance!!!
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by roboe
Let's see..
- Asbestos filled: False. Tower 1 had abestos used to up the 40th floor, Tower 2 had none. Asbestos was banned while the towers were being construced.
Well considering that one tower did have asbestos, then I wouldn't say his statement was inaccurate. I believe he was trying to imply that it would have costed far too much to demolish the building legally, which is true.
- Cash draining: False. The towers held a 98% occupancy rate in February of 2001. www.panynj.gov...
Well, just because the building had near close to full capacity, doesn't mean that it wasn't cash draining, as it costs a tremendous amount of money for heating, cooling, power and maintenance. Also, the size of the buildings compared to the available office space, which directly correlates to the cost of upkeep, should be considered. Furthermore, the building lost occupants directly after February of 2001 so at the time of the attacks, the building was not 98% occupied.
- Designed to stand multiple airplane strikes. Which they did. However, noone had calculated the effects of the massive fires.
Fail. The fires were not massive, relatively speaking and were obviously choked and starved for oxygen, as is evident from the thick black smoke. To my knowledge, the buildings were not constructed out of plastic, nor did they contain enough plastic to warrant so much visible black smoke. A few copy machines and computer cases would not produce such large amounts of black smoke.