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T.S.A. : Birth of A Monster, Coup Against American Rights, F.E.M.A. Started and D.A.R.P.A. Finished

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posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 06:33 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Another great OP, SKL~

You know, I was one that really hesitated to buy into the "microchipping" of people theories
until this new scanning rules started up...
Then I realized exactly what they are doing... making it so
offensive that people will want the chips, instead of being

It is stark and chilling. I am always willing to revisit ideas I previously thought were crap.

Though, I must say I don't know whether or not it is the "mark of th beast"...
I know that sounds crazy of me! But the antichrist MUST appear before his mark can be
implemented. And he has not appeared as of yet. No one is on earth that fills his requirements.

Also, this HAS to be why John McCain and Joe Leiberman introduced S. 3081 into consideration last year.

It is currently in judiciary. Have you looked into this bill?
If it is passed (as always, in the name of "terror") nobody can protest the "chips".
They will be jailed and only an act of Congress can get them out!!

Brilliant move on their part.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 07:23 AM

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Many times the Central Intelligence Agency has funded both sides of the conflict.
Just to make money, to see the results, and because different departments did not know.
Only an Administration knows all of the details and even then they do not know all.

in 1951 separate sums of $300,000 & $210,000 had already been spent on project bluebird by the see-eye-ay..

this is recorded in the FOI docs concerning bluebird/artichoke/ultra -
Mori ID#: 148321, Filed: 5/9/1951
Document Description: Substantive Aspects of Conversations Between [BLANK] & [BLANK]

in another document from 1951 $35,000 was spent developing a specific technology for interrogation.

I'm just saying they sure had the money to throw around, and the list of investors and associates to those programs are vast, they had help from all walks of life.

You also mention Nazi's & IBM as relevant to the 'plan', well...

The Nazi's were imported along with their wealth post-ww2 (paperclip) & the techniques & technologies developed in the Ultra programs were used against U.S soldiers returning from 'nam & used again in Guantanamo bay more recently, which suggest to me that it's still part of the story, so to speak.

take this for e.g. - a goal of the bluebird project (precursor to ultra)

Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.? (Short, immediate activity)

MORI Doc ID: 140401 Approximate date January 1, 1952


P.S) by the way there was a lot in the post I wrote before this one that upon re-reading made no sense at all and I had left words out of sentences in a rush to get the ideas on the page because I had to leave & go do something. By the time I got back the 4hrs editing time was up & it was too late to correct it. So sorry about that

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posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 08:49 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

I didn't mind at all to go through the full body scan. I even joked to the TSA agent that he was probably picking up my sausage on the screen lol. I can see where your going with what other private areas will they be trying to look into next, the verichip etc. but I'm gonna stay on the the side of light-hearted and think that these awful things won't happen and things like a full body scan will. I'll also say that the body scan has an 88% approval rate among americans, funny how the 12% always makes such a fuss, the majority has spoken end of story.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 09:03 AM

Originally posted by NoJoker13
I'll also say that the body scan has an 88% approval rate among americans, funny how the 12% always makes such a fuss, the majority has spoken end of story.

What percentage get the 'grope' instead of the scan and how many would approve of that procedure?

Secondly, how far down the road do you feel in-depth cavity searches will be.

Just curious.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:22 AM
I was just in China on a backpacking trip. You know, China......the communist country that the US criticizes every year for it's human rights violations. Before I landed I had visions of being grilled by Chinese security demanding to see my papers and questioning me to make sure I wasn't a US spy. As it turned out, it was just like any other country - they checked my passport in about 30 seconds and I was on my way.

Then I had to fly back home to the US.......

We landed, headed to the passport control and joined the "citizens and legal residents" line. It was very slow - normally you look over at the "visitors" line and it's slower, of course. However, this time the visitors were moving just as fast, sometimes faster. In our line, a TSA dude was randomly grilling people (US citizens/residents don't forget...) and acting like everybody was suspicious. We finally get to the guy in the booth and I get questioned like I was caught spying - "why were you in China? What is your job? Where do you work? What is your relationship to this person?" etc, etc. I have to put my hand on the fingerprint scanner and get my picture taken.

We collect our bags and head off to the connecting flight. Normally you just head off to the gate and that's that. Not this time! We have to go through another security checkpoint where our carry-on baggage is searched and we're grilled AGAIN. Get through that, walk a short distance to ANOTHER checkpoint, where the carry-ons have to go through a scanner and we go through a metal detector AND get a very quick pat-down. At this point, my carry on bag has been through so many xrays it's almost glowing

All-in-all it was sickening. Being in communist China was like being in an amusement park in comparison. I have absolutely nothing to hide and yet I was made to feel like a criminal in my OWN COUNTRY.

There is something very wrong with this country - people need to wake up and take a stand before it's too late

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:33 AM
reply to post by momoney

Sexual-Harassment can happen anywhere, to say that these agents are the only ones able to commit it is ridiculous. By the way I'd love to get groped by a TSA agent I'd be a very wealthy man over night. Again your talking about a severe minority of people getting groped, does that also mean you should avoid the pediatrician because he's gonna jiggle your son's balls? I didn't think so, this way of thinking is counter productive and ridiculous you must be part of the 12% I'm talking about.
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posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:45 AM

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by momoney

Sexual-Harassment can happen anywhere, to say that these agents are the only ones able to commit it is ridiculous.

So... if others do it, then it's fine with you, right? btw... where did I say the TSA were the only ones to do it, hmmm?

By the way I'd love to get groped by a TSA agent I'd be a very wealthy man over night.

Right. Because you'd let them and then sue them rather that refuse to allow it and get sued yourself for $11,000.
That makes sense.
Let me know how that turns out next time you fly and opt for the full patdown instead of the body scan. Lot's of ATS'rs will be holding their breath to see if they can win some extra dough too.

Again your talking about a severe minority of people getting groped, does that also man you should avoid the pediatrician because he's gonna jiggle your son's balls? I didn't think so.

Severe minority today, general majority tomorrow. Scans and a few gropes for everyone today, gropes and a few cavity searches tomorrow.

Oh, and about that doctor... I think you're reaching when you compare getting groped because you want to fly to visit grandma for Christmas and regular check-ups with the family doctor. Just a little.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 10:58 AM

Originally posted by glad_to_be_His
Well, thanks to the OP for an excellent thread......I wish the message could some how be blasted to the nation at once. As I type I am already getting too emotional to remain coherent, I just can't even express how all of this just angers me to the core. I would like to say that I was reading this deep thread fairly easily until someone hadddd to go the route of Bush/ soon as I read it my stomach felt a knot in it and poof! - thread slightly derailed. ....I know it is really difficult to discuss these issues without bringing your politics in this but can't we all try to see the point that was made on page one that the whole left/right thing is something used against us right now? There are times when that debate is useful but not now. Please, there was good information coming through here and I for one would like to keep it that way instead of being roused for or against any particular person/party. I say this with the deepest respect to all - not trying to start a "flame."

I've shared this thread on D.I.G.G., Stumble Upon, and on Facebook.

Not sure about the nation, but I know it's gone around the world, a few times at the very least.

I appreciate your commentary about it becoming a divisive issue about Bush/Obama.

People are people, unfortunately, they cannot stop from dragging an idiot politician into the fray.

Bush started this nonsense, and Obama is in the midst of handling it, it transverses Administration's.

When we look to blame one Administration over another, we are merely blaming the wrong person.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:00 AM

Originally posted by WWJFKD
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


This is one of those threads that belongs in the book of best posts on ATS ever. Fantastic job my friend.
Keep up the great work.

Thank you.

I'm not so sure about the book of best posts.

But I sure do appreciate the compliment.

Hope you're well since I have not seen you often.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Jedimind
This thread perfectly summarized and further explained the sudden thought/theory that came upon me yesterday as I was thinking about the real reason for the recent increases in so called security we're seeing by the TSA...

That reason is to use our aversion to being groped or scanned as a means to usher in an alternative that looks benign and even comforting by comparison...Things such as retina scans, real ID cards, RIFD chips, biometric data, etc....By setting the bar so low with the disgusting and dehumanizing groping and naked scans, these types of alternatives suddenly seem less invasive and not so bad by comparison (though of course as we know thats actually probably just the opposite of whats true).

Some in Washington have already alluded to using some of these new identification methods when talking of alternatives to the groping/scanning.

That is exactly the point I was making with the opening post.

The idea is to make it as disgustingly uncomfortable for us.

And then produce an acceptable "solution" which was really the entire plan all along.

Bait and switch comes to mind with a crooked car dealer and their cons.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Funny how I forget about the library. If they don't already have these books I will ask them to order them

Thanks for the tip

Not sure about your area but mine will order books from another affiliated library.

I always spent the majority of my time in the library researching information.

No worries about the tip and I hope it works out for you.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:16 AM

Originally posted by masterp
I don't think there is a conspiracy behind TSA. If the PTB wanted to make you submit into anything, they would already have created a few terrorism incidents. If the PTB are powerful enough to orchestrate 9/11, then it's nothing for them to create some false flag events regarding security.

I think perhaps you're missing the point that T.S.A. was created by an act of terrorism.

If not for 9/11 there would be no such thing as the T.S.A.

So, action A, 9/11, leads to outcome B, T.S.A. being created.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

You need to buy a new one. Without it you will not get on a plane.
It is treated as uhmm... How do you call it ? a mister meaner ?

An arrest is also possible.


The same happens here. We basically live in a global community controlled by the same puppet masters.

The difference is that they are implementing these chains for years with us up to a point where somewhere a government exist with the power to over rule members which isn't even democratically chosen.

With the US they are implementing stuff all at once.
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You can be arrested for not having identification?


That sure sounds like a major hassle if you ask me.

Your country reminds me of the Nazi's with demanding your papers.

If you do not have papers you are escorted away and treated as a criminal.

Even if a criminal stole them to begin with.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 12:01 PM
reply to post by SunshineLaws

Referring to this are you?

Quote from : Wikipedia :Federal Marshal Service : Securing Other Modes of Transportation

Since July 2004, TSA has provided supplemental personnel to assist mass transit systems during major events, holidays, and anniversaries of prior attacks.

These TSA personnel deploy as Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response Teams (VIPR teams), whose goal is to provide a random, unannounced, unpredictable, high-visibility presence in a mass transit or passenger rail environment.

The level of assistance transit systems request depends on a transit system’s local political and security environment.

A VIPR team may combine various types of TSA assets including federal air marshals.

Beginning in July 2007, TSA significantly increased the number and frequency of VIPR deployments, from an average of one exercise per month to one or two exercises per week.

There were issues with federal air marshals and early VIPR deployments.

TSA field officials said the initial exercises put their safety at risk.

TSA required federal air marshals to wear raid jackets or shirts identifying them as air marshals, which potentially compromised their anonymity.

In response to this concern, TSA changed the policy; federal air marshals now attend VIPR exercises in civilian clothes or jackets that simply identify them as DHS officials.

Some transit security officials reported that federal air marshals were unfamiliar with local laws, local police procedures, the range of behavior encountered on public transportation, and the parameters of their authority as federal law enforcement officers.

I've heard of them but I'm not too worried about them.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 12:26 PM
SKL my friend, another stellar example of logic, reason, and articulation of complex associations and ideas! S&F for you dear Sir for an amazing OP!

I don't have a ton to add to the premises presented here except for an idea which I have brought up in this thread. I wouldn't link a thread of my own, except that in this case I do believe it is relevant to the conversation, so I hope you will forgive me for doing so!

There is definitely a massive agenda underway... One that is irrevocably manifest in the "War on Terror" and I think that we are all very much invested in understanding the potential endgames of that agenda so that we are empowered to prevent these acts from achieving their intended goals.

I fear that our very freedoms, rights, property, and even our lives and the futures of our progeny are at stake. The greedy and powerful (or a subset of them) are most surely trying to secure that which belongs to the people and we are all obligated to figure this situation out and fight it with every means legally at our disposal.

SKL, thank you for being a soldier, philosopher, and educator in the cause!


posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 01:18 PM
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

I think you do not know how to read someone's writing who is balanced.

Without the "left-wing/right-wing" nonsense because there is no fear.

America is fed up with the T.S.A. and it is not hard to see if you only look.


I dare say not.

TSA has met the enemy — and they are us

Is Yahoo fearmongering too or are you just trying to label my concerns as less than yours?

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 02:12 PM

Originally posted by AutOmatIc
In the interest of National Security, I believe we should hire TSA agents to also do this to every single person who crosses our borders. I mean, if we're going to go there....let's go there.

Quite funny.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Extremely well done thread.
I am responding to this particular reply because it addresses the very nature of the problem. The "we" doesn't really exist. There is no "we the people".
Too many of us want to control others, and too many of us will happily (or grudgingly) submit to others out of fear.
Truthfully, those of us that know what is going on need to do more. We have to be willing to sacrifice more than a little time on the internet.

When I said we, I am referring to the collective, of the entire nation.

I do agree that we as a society need to recognize what is going on more and more.

We need to be willing to sacrifice our own egos, I agree, but not our rights.

Originally posted by Twisted Pair
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I don't mean to "Jump the Shark" here or denigrate your thread in any way, shape or form...but there are a couple questions I would like to ask that you consider:

1.) Have you done any research on Self-Assembling Nanotechnology??

2.) In this "thread" I did a page by page search for the term "Morgellons" which from what I understand is the symptoms of a persons body rejecting the Self-Assembling Nanotechnology--these people would seem to be the "canaries in the mine" so to speak.

The "VeriChip" aspect of this thread seemed "dated" which is why I posed the above questions....the psychological aspect that you posed seemed spot on as far as I am concerned which follows the "Hegelian Dialectic"


I have heard something about the Self-Assembling Nanotechnology you referenced.

While I can understand your reference to the Verichip being dated, both Verichip and Digital Angel are still recognized names, as well as this is technology still being pushed through legislation, in many different venues, through many different links, and as well through many different corporations with their corporate interests in mind to side-step our rights.

You're not denigrating my thread in any way I assure you.

I agree 100% about the Hegelian Dialectic being utilized.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 02:36 PM
reply to post by muzzleflash

That is sure one of my concerns as well.

The way I understand it is that it screws with your D.N.A. too.

The disparity between a potential for cancer is equal to the amount of travel you do.

Travel more, get more radiation, travel less, rely on your car, buses, or train.

The only time I willingly get radiated that I can control is through medical necessity.

And that does not happen often, trust me, not often but I do not need it often.

I'm with you 100% about not wanting my molecules screwed up due to radiation.

I am definitely impressed as you have done some deep digging into the scientific factors.

Glad you liked the thread and thanks for passing it on.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 02:38 PM
I'm not urging everyone to do this, but if you are so inclined and you'd like to vent, leave a complaint for the TSA here. Might as well voice your opinion to them personally while your at it. When I see new articles and videos, I have sent them with my opinion. It may go right into their garbage bin, but hey it makes me feel better and it could be quite effective.

posted on Nov, 21 2010 @ 02:43 PM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Amazing opening post...Thank-you!

I am unable to read the whole thread so forgive me if this has already been brought up.

The way I see it is to go after the CAUSE of ALL of this escalation of control & removal of citizen rights.

And just what IS the cause?

The cause is the ALLEGED `War on Terrorism`.

The `War on Terrorism` is a lie.

It is part of the `controllers` long term plan for implementing the New World Order (NWO) dictatorship which requires drastic measures to control the people.

It was actually MANUFACTURED & FINANCED by the `controllers` is so much of the rest of the world`s conflict.

This is not just my opinion, I have done a lot of reading on it & would like to add references to back up what I say but I am not well lately & tire easily.

I thought it important enough to mention anyway though, as I never hear of anyone talking about going after the root cause of all of it.

If we don`t stop this soon . . . it will be too late!
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