T.S.A. : Birth of A Monster, Coup Against American Rights, F.E.M.A. Started and D.A.R.P.A. Finished

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

I would not say I corrected you. If anything more like informed you where you were uninformed....

Most people have mistaken me as anti-Government, which is wholly untrue, I am anti-corruption...

"Informed" ... very well stated, and appreciated. I got more from you in a few minutes of reading than I would have if I had tried to followed all the masses of stuff written on the subject over the last few years.

"Most people have mistaken me as anti-Government, which is wholly untrue, I am anti-corruption..". EXACTLY! Of course I am another centralist registered independent.


I just had an interesting thought overnight that pulls a lot of this stuff about a "one world government" and RFID tagging together. I am looking at the ISO - RFID connection --- Is there one? Stay with me as I follow the history of what has happened.


I am starting with the concept stated by Daniel Estulin in his Bilderberg Speech at EU Parliament Press Conference

Bilderberg organization is dynamic..., absorbs and crates new parts while excreting the remains of the decaying parts. Members come and go, but the system itself has not changed. It is a self-perpetuating system, a virtual spider web of interlocked financial, political, economic and industry interests....

Not One World Government or New World Order as too many people mistakenly believe. Rather, the ideology is of a ONE WORLD COMPANY LIMITED.

______beforeitsnews/story/73/389/Transcript_Video_Daniel_Estulin_Bilderberg_Speech_at_EU_Parliament_Press_Conference.html

This is very rough, more of a brainstorming outline based on memory with little to back it up right now. It starts with that concept of Estulin's ONE WORLD COMPANY LIMITED.

#1
We are all aware of the establishment of a Central Bank (Federal Reserve Act 1913) used to siphon the wealth of the country into the pockets of the bankers.

#2
As Nicole Johnson showed the CED, formed in 1942 from bankers, CEOs and academia, decided to mettle in the growth of the country. Plans were made to wipe out independent farming forcing a wave of migration to the cities (cheap labor for corporations), the mortgaging of farmland (found money for bankers) and the wholesale destruction of American society and identity. This was an interesting exercise for Academia eager to tryout their pet theories and to insert Marxism in to American Society.

"The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership." V. Lenin [Note the origin of this quote is no longer available on the internet, no surprise there.) other farm/famine quotes


#3
Right after WWII Japanese products were considered shoddy, like China's are today AND like Russian products. Dr. Deming completely ignored by American business, went to Japan in 1950 and taught top management how to improve design, product quality, and testing through the application of statistics. (Note Deming consulted for Ford, the US car manufacturer NOT in trouble) The key thing that Deming taught, something STILL IGNORED is that Quality comes from the top.

#4
In the 40's 50's 60's and into the 70's, Corporations considered people a resource worth investing in. A person joined a Corporation early in his working life and stayed. There was a sense of loyalty between the Corporation and its employees. Corporations invested in employees by training them and helping them advance. Now corporations and employees have no loyalty to each other. Employees are viewed as interchangeable cogs. Employees hop scotch from one firm to another until they find when they reach their forties "They are overqualified" that is too expensive. This is a key concept I trace to changes in the 70's and 80's.

Another key event happened in this time frame.

Of mergers and acquisitions each costing $1 million or more, there were just 10 in 1970; in 1980, there were 94; in 1986, there were 346. A third of such deals in the 1980's were hostile. The 1980's also saw a wave of giant leveraged buyouts. Mergers, acquisitions and L.B.O.'s, which had accounted for less than 5 percent of the profits of Wall Street brokerage houses in 1978, ballooned into an estimated 50 percent of profits by 1988...

THROUGH ALL THIS, THE HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP between product and paper has been turned upside down. Investment bankers no longer think of themselves as working for the corporations with which they do business. These days, corporations seem to exist for the investment bankers....

In fact, investment banks are replacing the publicly held industrial corporations as the largest and most powerful economic institutions in America....

THERE ARE SIGNS THAT A VICIOUS spiral has begun, as each corporate player seeks to improve its standard of living at the expense of another's. Corporate raiders transfer to themselves, and other shareholders, part of the income of employees by forcing the latter to agree to lower wages. January 29, 1989 www.nytimes.com... New York Times

The change in the relationship between long time employee and his employer can be traced back to these leveraged buyouts. The second phase of the ripping apart of the US social structure.

#5
CEOs and bankers normally have degrees in accounting or at minimum a heavy dose of accounting in their MBA programs. They are bean-counters at heart. The bottom line is everything.

When Japan started to tromp on US sales thanks to superior Quality the CEOs were frantic for a "Magic Pill" Unfortunately Dr Deming's advise was not what the CEOs wanted to hear. They did not want to hear THEY were the root cause of poor Quality. They did not want to hear it took time, money, effort and a change in philosophy to make a real change in Quality. So the hunt was on for the "Magic Pill"

Dr Juran came up with another "Magic Pill" called "Quality Circles" that used Fishbone diagrams and Pareto Analysis. A key to his success was an emphasis on selling quality improvement to management by adding a cost reduction component.

In 1941 Juran stumbled across the work of Vilfredo Pareto and began to apply the Pareto principle to quality issues (for example, 80% of a problem is caused by 20% of the causes). This is also known as "the vital few and the trivial many".

This is what the CEOs wanted and Motorola codified it as Six Sigma in the USA in 1986.

Each Six Sigma project carried out within an organization follows a defined sequence of steps and has quantified financial targets (cost reduction or profit increase). en.wikipedia.org...

At the same time the "Quality Revolution" was happening ISO was developed. I took the course in the 80's when it was first introduced and I noticed it bore a strong resemblance to "Good Manufacturing Practices" used in Drug manufacture. During the course I sat next to a Russian Quality Engineer fresh from Russia. When I expressed enthusiasm for the idea, He replied "It is a bad idea. We use it in Russia and it does nothing to improve quality" BOY was he right!

However the idea of ISO was very much to to the liking of the bean counters. "Certify" a vendor, look at the paperwork and forget about doing incoming inspection. It was a major cost savings idea! One of the key concepts of ISO is "traceability" We see the idea of "traceability" repeated in the World Trade Organization's Agreement on Agriculture:

"Measures to trace animals...to provide assurances on...safety... have been incorporated into international standards... The Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures... Aims to ensure that governments DO NOT USE QUARANTINE AND FOOD SAFETY REQUIREMENTS as Unjustified trade barriers... It provides Member countries with a right to implement traceability as an SPS measure." www.wto.org...

From an international corporation's point of view, borders and QUARANTINE are a pain in the rump. If they can sell the idea to governments that "traceability" is the answer to "Unjustified trade barriers" then business runs much more smoothly.

With the passage of the Food Safety farce S-510, the final step in placing traceability on all products has been accomplished. The next step is to apply the same reasoning to those interchangeable Cogs - people.

Place traceablity (implanted RFID tags) on your human resources. Make their complete history available through computer access and businesses will run much more smoothly. No need to worry about the large percentage of applicants that lie on their resumes, heck if you need someone new do an on-line search, find the exact person and lure him away from his current employer!

From a business point of view RFID tagging of humans is not sinister it is just the end result of improvement in resource management!

As usual SKL you are welcome to use any of my ideas. My threads flop and I am more concerned with education then with anything else.

reply to post by Unity_99

I've already found overall most people acceptance or lack of protest over the things brought up very odd and surely its more than just flouide in the water.

Actually it is our education system. Vladimir Lenin said "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever"

That was the plan of John Dewey "Father of Modern Education" here in the USA. It explains why my grandmother received a better education in the late 1800's than I did in the 60's. It is explains why children and young adults are no longer able to reason clearly. It explains why Phil Jones of the CRU was allowed to muck-up the Scientific Method so completely and the rest of the Scientific bodies showed no outrage.

Dumbing Down America

...Dewey's philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one....

In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin -- that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the "social spirit" needed to bring about a collectivist society.....

We have had several generations of Americans taught to be good little socialists and taught not to think. It shows in our educational standing compared to other countries too.

"For 10 years, William Schmidt, a statistics professor at Michigan State University, has looked at how U.S. students stack up against students in other countries in math and science. "In fourth-grade, we start out pretty well, near the top of the distribution among countries; by eighth-grade, we're around average, and by 12th-grade, we're at the bottom of the heap, outperforming only two countries, Cyprus and South Africa." :Source

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Hi,

The above post was removed due to a T&C violation.
Please read the info I left in the post as to the exact reason.

Thanks.

DontTreadOnMe

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You wrote: 15e.) Recruitment/Solicitation:

i) You will not use your membership in the Websites for any type of recruitment to any causes whatsoever. You will not Post, use the chat feature, use videos, or use the private message system to disseminate advertisements, chain letters, petitions, pyramid schemes, or any kind of solicitation for political action, social action, letter campaigns, or related online and/or offline coordinated actions of any kind.
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Your site claims it is here to "exchange information". I asked SKL if he would be willing to do so (exchange information) not using your site which leaves ATS out of the loop, hence, you would not be involved in that exchange provided that SKL is willing to do just that.

It is evident that ATS bases what they do, based on assumptions. This is your site. This is the fourth time that I have been notified concerning posts I have made. This all started when I invited any one at this site to take a road trip to visit FEMA camps here in Georgia and questioned those that "run" this site. I used the term "cheese dick" in a post and was told that constituted a violation of your rules. Profanity! Another message said that my posts were too "abrasive". Telling the facts in a direct manner at ATS is "abrasive".

Conclusion; NSA/Google are watching everything and have been doing so for a very long time. ATS is willing to let me as well as others post our information to extend the ATS data base of intelligence. You do not want the members at this site to speak or communicate through other channels in a private manner which would leave ATS out of the loop, in turn denying you a direct flow of the information that passes between members using another form of communication.
Asking another member to exchange information using another channel does not "scatter abroad" (disseminate) chain letters, petitions, pyramid schemes, or any kind of solicitation for political action, social action, letter campaigns, or related online and/or offline coordinated actions of any kind. What I proposed to SKL is an agreement to share what each other has concerning our own info using another line of communication. (private email) (telephone). That is in no way a violation of the rules you just posted.
That must have "hit a nerve" here at ATS. Is ATS answering to the NSA also? PP removed me for asking that question. Will you? I was looking for a site that allows the free flow of intelligence between its members when I came across ATS. After you remove me from ATS I shall continue to look for a site that is willing to truly share information without restrictions. By the way, I sent an email to your office asking to be removed about two weeks ago when it came to my attention that you use censorship like others use the air they breathe. You "suck it in" then you "blow it out". Is this truth too abrasive for you also? The truth hurts only those that fear it. That would be you. Congratulations for exposing what you are.

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Scoutsniper

Remember these?
Hey guy

I just snipped out the term "cheese dicks" from your post. We do not have an age restriction for members, so please try to keep your posts PG or better.

That was some post. I'm not far from some of those areas, so I might swing by sometime and check them out. Thanks for the info. Keep it up and welcome to ATS.

TheRedneck
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Good advice. My thanks.

I'll make you a deal: I'll take your advice if you'll take mine: take a few moments and look over the Terms & Conditions. It's short, not like the legaleeze you see on most sites, and it's pretty simple.

ATS is not like most web forums (or I wouldn't be here). Staff tries to be fair when we moderate, and we don't let personal feelings show through. But we do enforce the T&C, and some of your posts have been a little on the abrasive side. Just tone it down a notch is all I am asking; you seem to be plenty intelligent enough to do that.

See you around the boards.

TheRedneck



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reply to post by destination now

....The child's father Gerry McCann even went to Washington to discuss the "wider agenda" of missing children and then the whole topic of using RFID technology to "keep our children safe" became a hot topic implanting chips to keep children safe and considering that the number of children abducted by strangers has not risen in all the years that records have been kept, it seemed that this case was being used to highlight the cause for the chips - very frightening, because of course as usual, this won't actually prevent children being abducted and murdered, but they are traceable for the rest of their live....

One of the other things pushed is DNA swabs of children. I do children's entertainment and run into booths set-up by law enforcement pushing tracing of children by DNA.

The DNA - RFID chip connection should also be highlighted. Many hospitals are now taking and banking newborn DNA without parents permission.

reply to post by Alfie1

I infer from your post that you live in the US or Canada. In which case you are, like me who lives in western europe, privileged....

I would suggest to you that before you equate working 9-5 as slavery and rubbish the " shiny overpriced products" and freedoms of the west you do a bit of travelling in the third world and get an idea from the people living there of how hard done by they think you are.

I live in the USA and I have traveled to Mexico. The real Mexico, three days by backpack and burro into the mountains, so I understand what you are saying. However I disagree.

Why?

Just because we have our shiny toys and are wrapped in cotton batting does not mean we should not be vigilant in protecting our freedoms.

Please remember the same group stripping us of our freedoms has done untolled damage to third world countries too.

The division is not first world vs third world or Marxist vs Capitalist, and by Capitalist I am talking about the TRUE capitalists, the independent farmer and small business person. Capitalists are NOT the international banking/corporate cartels formed and fed from money stolen by the Central Bankers.

The real division that is always missed is the elite vs the rest of us. The elite use misguided bleeding hearts to further their agenda as I explain HERE in my Reference Thread. That understanding is the key to STOPPING them.

reply to post by Unity_99


The information I have compiled is linked back to Nazi Germany, even before that, to some degree.

A majority of this ties back to Tesla through his desires to expand the world magnanimously.

His lofty and high-minded ideals were stolen, looked down upon, or just seen as competition.

Tesla saw this world with free electricity for all, with many things we have yet to have explored.

You reference H.A.A.R.P., which I fully believe is a Tesla invention, I felt long ago this was to be connected.

The R.F.I.D. program will connect through cell towers, and S.D.I., Strategic Defense Initiative.

This also all interconnects with the infrastructure in place inside of stores through a triangulation process.

All of the processes of these connections are through technology but none other is right out there.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Contactles Payment

Contactless payment systems (also known as "touch and go" or "wave and pay") are credit cards and debit cards, key fobs, smartcards or other devices which use RFID for making secure payments.

The embedded chip and antenna enable consumers to wave their card or fob over a reader at the point of sale.

Some suppliers claim that transactions can be almost twice as fast as a conventional cash, credit, or debit card purchase.

Because no signature is typically required for purchases under US$25 in the US and under £15 in the UK, some research indicates that consumers are likely to spend more money due to the ease of small transactions.

MasterCard Canada says it has seen "about 25 percent" higher spending by users of its PayPass-brand RFID credit cards.

You might be familiar with this by another name albeit currently a specific name-brand.

Introducing Mobil Gas Speedpass commercial 1997


And notice the date of 1997 tied into my previous P.N.A.C. post?

Plus there is of course the commercial's lofty ideas of bypassing chokepoint quicker.

I've been saying for years that the credit card is a part of this process and it is connected.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Speedpass : Security of the Mobil Speedpass

The ExxonMobil Speedpass uses a cryptographically-enabled tag with a Digital Signature Transponder (DST) which incorporates a weak, proprietary encryption scheme to perform a challenge-response protocol.

On Jan 29th 2005, RSA Security and a group of students from Johns Hopkins University broke the proprietary encryption algorithm used by the Exxon-Mobil Speedpass.

They were able to successfully copy a Speedpass and use the copied RFID tag to purchase gas.

In an attempt to prevent fraud, Speedpass users are now required to enter their zip code into scanners at some gas stations.

Underlined by SKL

Encrypted?

Then broken?

Sure is not as secure as they want us to believe.

And the R.F.I.D. chip allows a 16 digit code to be secured within it, 16 digits, credit cards have 16 digits.

You are correct, negative has no power over positive, which is why this process is being sold as a positive.

And they conveniently leave out the negatives they have embedded within this process.

If you're someone who is seen as a threat they can and will shut off your R.F.I.D. embedd in your skin.

You cannot buy, you cannot work, you cannot drive, you cannot fly, you cannot survive.

This goes back a long ways, back into Science Fiction, back in the 70's if you think about it.

A movie which I saw as a predecessor to the process because it was stranger than ficiton.

Logan's Run (trailer)


Run runner, run!

Or the Sandman will get you.

Think of the movie Minority Report and you get the picture as well because it's the modern version.

Minority Report - Precrime Intro


The Pre-Crime visions through the computer symbolizes data-mining through computers.

If the computer shows you as a potentially hostile entity you can be picked up through pattern recognition.

All of the devices are interconnected plus this movie went into retina scanning.

Yet another movie showing this was the movie The Island with wrist bracelets.

The Island Trailer


All of this from 9/11, to the Information Awareness Office, to T.S.A. has all been about a few things :

1) Money - The cashless society

2) Identity Theft - Information exchanged through information data-mining processes and databases.

3) Compliance - You willingly accepting this form of control over you.

From the Mainstream Media pushing scary stories, to Hollywood showing you fascinating technology, to Government pushing a tracking agenda through corporate measures which bypass our Constitutional Rights due to the vast majority of it being outsourced to corporations which can sell it as a convenience toward you, the unsuspecting citizen, everything is about hurrying up and getting to your locations, instant gratification, without asking important questions which might burden those in control.

Originally posted by TKDRL
It is sad, most people do not seem to even realize we are living a life of slavery. Work 9-5 every day, until we are too old to do it anymore. As long as people have a tv to watch, and a few shiny overpriced products, they seem to be complacent. They walk around with the illusion of freedom and safety, in their own little bubble world.

As for the TSA, I will not feed that beast. As much as I would like to see europe and asia, it is not worth being dehumanized. I wonder how long it will take before they start requiring the scanners at the canadian border?

Of course.

Average people are so easily distracted by bright and shiny objects.

They live mundane lives with non-existant respect for self.

Working in a tiny cubicle from 9 to 5 for supervisors who see them as a number.

Without responsibility as citizens just looking to their carnal pleasures.

In Ancient Rome this would have been referred to as bread and circuses.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Bread and Circuses

"Bread and Circuses" (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metaphor for a superficial means of appeasement.

In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the creation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace.

The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the common man (l'homme moyen sensuel).

In modern usage, the phrase has become an adjective to deride a populace that no longer values civic virtues and the public life.

To many across the political spectrum, left and right, it connotes the triviality and frivolity that in popular culture is supposed to have characterized the Roman Empire prior to its decline.

As long as they have their American Idol, Survivor, and Big Brother they do not care.

Chris Daughtry - "Renegade" - American Idol


Survivor: Nicaragua - Build A Stronger Team


Big Brother | Jacko's Dead | Channel 4


And through this people enable Government and corporations to run unchecked over them.

reply to post by destination now

Do you drink tea? If yes, then you are part of the problem! Yet again, the large corporations paying peanuts to the producers and making a nice profit themselves.

Ignorant city dwellers seem to think it is only third world farmers under attack. It is NOT! The "evil plan" is to get rid of ALL independent farmers world wide. Food prices are now based on the sale prices of independent farmers. Once they are removed the price of food will be set by the Ag Cartel.

Here is an outline of the plan and its consequences:

The PLAN

1944 to present:
World Bank and IMF use the loans they provide countries to prescribe policies (SAPS) and major changes in the economies of these countries. www.africaaction.org...
Also see SAPs: www.whirledbank.org...

1961 PVP is the Plant Variety Protection:
The International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants: Gave seed companies a monopoly on the commercial multiplication and the marketing of seeds. www.patentlens.net...

1991 The unlimited right of farmers to save seed is changed into an optional exception. www.grain.org...

June 2006 Global Diversity Treaty:

Standard Material Transfer Agreement (SMTA) a standardized contract that will enable much easier access to crop diversity. [ germplasm for patenting] royalty payment (1.1% of sales) is paid only if product is unavailable for further breeding and research. funds will be devoted to conservation efforts. www.bioversityinternational.org...

Translation: Bio-techs Corporations steal seed from third world farmers, patents it and pay money to Bioversity International What a deal!


1993 FAO prepares “the Global Strategy for the Management of Farm Animal Genetic Resources” ftp.fao.org...
An International group dedicated to animal patenting is formed:

INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR ANIMAL RECORDING PATENTING IN THE ANIMAL SECTOR “...The Patenting Sentinel and Action Service (PSAS) is an important initiative of the International Committee for Animal Recording (ICAR) as regards patenting in the animal sector. This is an issue which is of uttermost importance for the future of all organizations involved in the sectors of animal recording and genetic evaluation.... www.icar.org...

1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)

1995 World Trade Organization (WTO) is formed. Cargill Vice-President, Dan Amstutz, writes the original text of the Uruguay Round Agreement on Agriculture. www.zmag.org...

FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia

in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry...An effective seed regulation harmonization process involves dialogue amongst all relevant stakeholders from both private and public sectors. Seed quality assurance, variety release, plant variety protection, biosafety, plant quarantine and phytosanitary issues are among the major technical areas of a regional harmonized seed system. The key to a successful seed regulation harmonization is a strong political will of the governments involved www.fao.org...

RESULTS:

THIRD WORLD
July 26, 2002: Report Finds Fundamental Flaws in WTO's Agreement on Agriculture: The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy report argues that the Agreement on Agriculture fails to take into account agri-business' monopoly over global agricultural trade. (Ten corporations control 80% of the grain trade) www.socialfunds.com...

2002 Effect of policies on farmers in USA and Mexico:

According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% - from 2.3 million to 575, 000 www.globalexchange.org...

Farmer suicides in India: - Attributed to "Global Warming" in popular press.

Now the full toll—surely among the largest sustained waves of suicides in human history—is becoming apparent.... these numbers still underestimate the disaster, since women farmers are excluded from the official statistics...

It is important that the figure of 150,000 farm suicides is a bottom line estimate....

...what has driven the huge increase in farm suicides, particularly in the Big Four or ’Suicide SEZ’ States? "Overall," says Professor Nagaraj, "there exists since the mid-90s, an acute agrarian crisis....

Cultivation costs have shot up in these high input zones, with some inputs seeing cost hikes of several hundred per cent... Meanwhile, prices have crashed, as in the case of cotton, due to massive U.S.-EU subsidies to their growers.

All due to price rigging with the tightening grip of large corporations over the trade in agricultural commodities." alternatives-international.net...
www.counterpunch.org...

FIRST WORLD
2001 Polish entry into the European Union:EU Chair states intent to remove 1 million Poles from their land. Portugal Rep states 60% of independent farmers have already been removed in Portugal. The Battle to Save the Polish Countryside: www.i-sis.org.uk...

US Senate Hearing - March 28, 2000 Dan Amstutz's "Freedom to Farm" becomes “freedom to fail”

The bill has made sweeping changes in agriculture--it has produced one of the worst economic crises that rural American has ever experienced. tens of thousands of farm families are in jeopardy of losing their livelihoods and life savings. thomas.loc.gov...:S28MR0-0011:

1999 UK traceback( traceability) program in place, millions of animals are killed in the 2000 outbreak of Foot & Mouth. “depopulation” is used instead of Vaccine due to OIE requirements for returning to Disease free status www.fao.org...
History of UK 2001 foot & mouth disease www.warmwell.com...

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Of course.

Average people are so easily distracted by bright and shiny objects.

They live mundane lives with non-existant respect for self.

Working in a tiny cubicle from 9 to 5 for supervisors who see them as a number.

Without responsibility as citizens just looking to their carnal pleasures.

In Ancient Rome this would have been referred to as bread and circuses.

Part of this was moving the majority of the population from rural communities into cities where they are completely insulated from reality. TV then feeds them a "Disney" view of the world and the bleeding hearts and lawyers reinforce that view by convincing everyone that when they do something stupid they should blame it on others instead of taking responsibility for their actions. I call it the "Bambi Complex"

It was exemplified by the Computer Programer typing away in one of the twin towers and arguing with firefighters trying to get him to leave the building. You see it every day in rush hour traffic where a semi tractor trailer following at a safe distance is cut off by an idiot who then slams on his brakes to make a turn or exit. Again if there are consequences to this stupidity, the semi driver is at FAULT!

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Well, first off, I'd say your post was excellent, superb in that you spoke about what you know.

And, second, you opened the door for more discussion on several levels for everyone.

While you were not on topic, specifically, meaning the T.S.A., 9/11, F.E.M.A., or D.A.R.P.A., per se, you still stuck to the general basis this thread orignated under which was the discussion about R.F.I.D. chips and how they are an invasion of privacy to some, new ways to seek tax money as well as towards the cashless society, but as well how information is tracked.

Bravo!

I opened this thread under the 9/11 forum area because T.S.A. was born out of that onslaught.

What I see as an onslaught of ignorance, through terrorism, through Government's, take your pick of which one, as well as the general populace who is oblivious to these factors, and or oblivious to the implications of the R.F.I.D. programs.

So, your post is to be commended, you gave a perception from the United Kingdom, as yet unseen.

And for that I thank you.

The information about the rubbish bins, trash cans here in America, is something to consider.

If we're going to be taxed through our trash it is as well a means to track expenditures verses use.

Now, on to the part of your post I really loved, you spoke of missing people.

This is the crux of the R.F.I.D. chip program in tracking people as the numbers are flubbed, inflated, often more times than not negligence in Law Enforcement in doing their jobs, budgets being mis-proportioned, you name it, this is a catastrophe that people go missing yet the easy solution being sold through surreptitious means is the R.F.I.D.

This gives rise to the horrendous crime, which goes through every single country, Human Trafficking.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Human Trafficking

Human trafficking is the illegal trade in human beings for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation or forced labor: a modern-day form of slavery.

Adopted by the United Nations in Palermo, Italy in 2000, the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children (also referred to as the Trafficking Protocol) is an international set of diplomatic guidelines established by the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organised Crime.

The Trafficking Protocol is one of three Protocols adopted to supplement the Convention.

The Protocol is the first global legally binding instrument with an agreed definition on trafficking in persons.

The intention behind this definition is to facilitate convergence in national cooperation in investigating and prosecuting trafficking in persons cases.

An additional objective of the Protocol is to protect and assist the victims of trafficking in persons with full respect for their human rights.

The Trafficking Protocol defines human trafficking as:

The recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation.

Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs.

The consent of a victim of trafficking in persons to the intended exploitation set forth [above] shall be irrelevant where any of the means set forth [above] have been used.

The Trafficking Protocol entered into force on 25 December 2003.

By June 2010, the Trafficking Protocol had been signed by 117 countries and 137 parties.

For this we will need to expand this thread more towards the international community.

Quote from : Wikipedia : United Nations Global Initiative to Fight Human Trafficking

The United Nations Global Initiative to Fight Human Trafficking (UN.GIFT) is a multi-stakeholder initiative providing global access to expertise, knowledge and innovative partnerships to combat human trafficking.

The UN.GIFT was conceived to promote the global fight on human trafficking, on the basis of international agreements reached at the UN.

To date, 137 countries are parties to the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons especially Women and Children, which supplements the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime.

UN.GIFT was launched in March 2007 by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) with a grant made on behalf of the United Arab Emirates.

It is managed in cooperation with the International Labour Organization (ILO); the International Organization for Migration (IOM); the UN Children's Fund (UNICEF); the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR); and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE).

UN.GIFT works with all stakeholders - governments, business, academia, civil society and the media - to support each other's work, create new partnerships and develop effective tools to fight human trafficking.

The Global Initiative is based on a simple principle: human trafficking is a crime of such magnitude and atrocity that it cannot be dealt with successfully by any government alone.

This global problem requires a global, multi-stakeholder strategy that builds on national efforts throughout the world.

To pave the way for this strategy, stakeholders must coordinate efforts already underway, increase knowledge and awareness, provide technical assistance; promote effective rights-based responses; build capacity of state and non-state stakeholders; foster partnerships for joint action; and above all, ensure that everybody takes responsibility for this fight.

By encouraging and facilitating cooperation and coordination, UN.GIFT aims to create synergies among the anti-trafficking activities of UN agencies, international organizations and other stakeholders to develop the most efficient and cost-effective approach to fight human trafficking.

You will notice the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime within the above quote.

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Something which is wholly more sinister than it is helpful through creating needless bureaucracy.

Quote from : Wikipedia : United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) is a United Nations agency that was established in 1997 as the Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention by combining the United Nations International Drug Control Program (UNDCP) and the Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice Division in the United Nations Office at Vienna.

It was renamed the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2002.

I say more sinister than assisting due to the levels of bureaucracy, as well as the endemic rise of the drugs and crime in the international community, from Human Trafficking, to centralized drug empires which are overlooked, and or given a wide berth, to identity theft and fraud through con-men sending e-mails seeking information and money.

Eye To Eye With Katie Couric: Human Trafficking (CBS News)


Youtube Video : Human Trafficking in Colorado


Child Trafficking : Part 1


Child Trafficking : Part 2


Child Trafficking : Part 3


Child Trafficking : Part 4


Child Trafficking : Part 5


We as conspiracy theorists all know, or you should if you do not, know where the drugs are grown.

Yet nothing is done to stop this epidemic.

And it spills across many boundaries through international means.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Golden Triangle

The Golden Triangle is one of Asia's two main illicit opium-producing areas.

It is an area of around 367,000 square miles (950,000 km2) that overlaps the mountains of four countries of Southeast Asia: Burma, Vietnam, Laos, and Thailand.

Along with Afghanistan in the Golden Crescent and Pakistan, it has been one of the most extensive opium-producing areas of Asia and of the world since the 1920s.

Most of the world's heroin came from the Golden Triangle until the early 21st century when Afghanistan became the world's largest producer.

The Golden Triangle also designates the confluence of the Ruak River and the Mekong river, since the term has been appropriated by the Thai tourist industry to describe the nearby junction of Thailand, Laos, and Myanmar.

And the more prevalent area which is close to where America is waging war.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Golden Crescent

The Golden Crescent is the name given to one of Asia's two principal areas of illicit opium production, located at the crossroads of Central, South, and Western Asia.

This space overlaps three nations, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan, whose mountainous peripheries define the crescent, though only Afghanistan and Pakistan produce opium, with Iran being a consumer and trans-shipment route for the smuggled opiates.

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) heroin production estimates for the past 10 years show significant changes in the primary source areas. Heroin production in Southeast Asia declined dramatically, while heroin production in Southwest Asia expanded.

In 1991, Afghanistan became the world's primary opium producer, with a yield of 1,782 metric tons (U.S. State Department estimates), surpassing Myanmar, formerly the world leader in opium production.

The decrease in heroin production from Myanmar is the result of several years of unfavorable growing conditions and new government policies of forced eradication.

Afghan heroin production increased during the same time frame, with a notable decrease in 2001 allegedly as a result of the Taliban's fatwa against heroin production.

Afghanistan now produces over 90% of the world's opium.

In addition to opiates, Afghanistan is also the world's largest producer of hashish.

I bring this up, and it is still within the confines of this thread purview, because it is an epidemic.

The Afghanistan War, the Mujahideen and the Golden Crescent


Lord of the Golden Triangle Part 1


Lord of the Golden Triangle Part 2


It follows the purview of this thread under the lines of Airport Security being T.S.A. always looking for drugs, one of the areas where the scanners and pat downs cover, outside of the spectrum of "terrorism", but more so under crimes through smuggling, mules, and cargo in baggage areas in the undercarriage of the airlines themselves.

If security really worked all that well the drugs would never get across American borders.

Taliban Insurgency in Pakistan - 1


Taliban Insurgency in Pakistan - 2


While sure it might not get through the airports, not through conventional means, it still flows through.

Taliban Build Multi-Million Dollar Insurgent Operation, Complicating U.S. Efforts

Whether we want it to or not.

The Underground Empire: Where Crime and Governments Embrace

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Excerpt from : The Underground Empire -
Where Crime and Governments Embrace

Jammed into a narrow seat between backpacking tourists in a 747 over the Atlantic, I reflected on my five-year acquaintance with Centac and the Underground Empire.

A few related but disconnected thoughts:

There is no question that the Underground Empire today has more power, wealth, and status than many nations.

It flies no flag on the terrace of the United Nations, but it has larger armies, more capable intelligence agencies, more influential diplomatic services than many countries that do.

We are so accustomed to thinking of crime in terms of street muggings, burglaries, and Mafia murders that we fail to recognize it as a major international force, a Fourth World of nations united not by military might, economic condition, or political theory, but by an ideology of greed, by the institutionalization of state-supported crime.

These countries are our enemies, and more insidiously so than those of two world wars, for they conceal their attacks beneath promises of amity and cooperation.

Without the cooperation of corrupt governments, the international narcotics industry could not exist.

But governments, our own particularly, lean over backward to conceal this fact from their constituents (and sometimes from themselves), for to recognize it would cripple foreign relations.

How can the American government accuse a foreign leader (General Noriega of Panama, for example) of pervasive criminal activity, and at the same time deal with him effectively as a head of state?

How natural, how necessary, it is that the United States government, principally through its intelligence services, should have secret relations with the Underground Empire, just as it must with other sovereign entities, even when they invade innocent neighbors and torture dissidents.

The interests and methods of intelligence agencies are in many cases identical to those of high-level criminals.

Both seek power, or the paths to power, through bribery, blackmail, and intimidation.

So it is natural that as one progresses upward through layers of crime one finds more and more intelligence agents.

They take power where they can get it.

The world that international criminal groups have created is precisely the kind of world intelligence people seek out and populate.

They are not only within it, but of it. If an intelligence agent finds that his asset, the man with the power, happens to be the world's biggest drug trafficker -- well, so be it.

If you've worked hard to get him in your pocket and then see his power threatened, you'll work hard to help him hang on, even if it means a little smuggling -- drugs, guns, sacks of cash.

The interest of the CIA is national security, threats to the country from without.

The interest of law enforcement is internal security, the threat of crime.

The CIA, in its pursuit of intelligence and influence, often courts the same powerful figures Centac pursued as criminals.

But the external threat is always deemed more pressing than the internal threat, and intelligence wins precedence over law enforcement.

The highly connected, tuxedo-clad criminal is left in place to provide intelligence to the United States -- and drugs to its citizens.

Bolded by SKL

And through Human Trafficking drugs use slaves as a currency toward pushing their agenda.

Swapping bodies for bags of drugs and as well this double endemnity where money is made hand over fist.

Through both foreign and national policy using the guise of trying to do their jobs in the international community, the C.I.A., D.E.A., State Department, and other various organizations play a game called the shell game, with budgets, seeming to do their jobs, but never actually focusing on the heart of the problem by going after the source of these issues deep in the heart of the Golden Triangle, Golden Crescent, and Columbia.

This is all done of course to create a means through international bureaucracy, to tax us all, to track our information internationally, and as well to give money to the United Nations from each and every country so as to fund this organization which is not controlled by us as citizens, where we have little to no influence over those international acords struck by our countries where our politicians are supposed to represent us, but through lobbyists, special interest groups, and corporations they bypass our very Constitution through subversion on many levels.

This is all in order to get our tax money to feed this behemoth, the U.N., which we do not need.

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...We as conspiracy theorists all know, or you should if you do not, know where the drugs are grown.

Yet nothing is done to stop this epidemic.

And it spills across many boundaries through international means....

I would like to add this absolutely disgusting piece of information to the above. It makes it very clear that the USA has absolutely no plans for actually stopping drug trafficking. Instead it is look upon as a very nice revenue stream for law enforcement departments!

Civil asset forfeiture A study was done of how Law Enforcement actually handles illegal drug dealing.

"Findings suggest asset forfeiture is a dysfunctional policy. Forfeiture programs, while serving to generate income, prompt drug enforcement to serve functions that are inherently contradictory and often at odds with the demands of justice."
—Mitchell Miller & Lance H. Selva,
Drug Enforcement's Double Edged Sword: An Assessment of Asset Forfeiture Programs (Twelve month empirical examination of the implementation of laws from within the forfeiture program)



...The Double-Edged Sword undercover researcher observed agencies abandon investigations of suspects they knew were trafficking large amounts of contraband simply because the case was not profitable. Agents routinely targeted low level dealers rather than big traffickers, who are better able to insulate themselves and their assets from reverse sting operations. The report states: "Efficiency is measured by the amount of money seized rather than impact on drug trafficking."

A reverse sting operation, where the officer becomes the seller who encourages the suspect to commit a crime, "was the preferred strategy of every agency and department with which the researcher was associated because it allowed agents to gauge potential profit prior to investing a great deal of time and effort." More importantly, the narcotics units studied preferred seizing cash intended for purchase of drugs supplied by the police, rather than confiscating drugs already on the street. When asked why a search warrant would not be served on a suspect known to have resale quantities of contraband, one officer responded:
"Because that would just give us a bunch of dope and the hassle of having to book him (the suspect). We've got all the dope we need in the property room, just stick to rounding up cases with big money and stay away from warrants."

In one case an agency instructed the researcher to observe the suspect's daily transactions reselling a large shipment of coc aine so that officers could postpone making the bust until after the majority of the drug shipment was converted to cash. This case was only one of many in which the goal was profit rather than reducing the supply of drugs reaching the street.

Thirteen additional years of policing for profit have now entrenched agencies in a dependency on forfeiture revenue that continues to subordinate the pursuit ot justice to the pursuit of profit. ...



Innocent owners who are never charged with a crime still must prove their innocence in complex proceedings, where many cases are lost before even coming to trial..... Under civil asset forfeiture laws, the simple possession of cash, with no drugs or other contraband, can be considered evidence of criminal activity.

So much for the "WAR on Drugs"

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Just because some third world countries may have it worse, does not mean we are living a great idyllic life. Working 8 hours a day, 6 days a week till you die, just to afford food, shelter and a vehicle is very like slavery. Hopefully some of my other endevors take off, I will at least be able to loosen the shackles. When we start making some money, I plan on building myself a greenhouse in the backyard, and grow food year round. I would much rather eat my own fresh organic food, than buy from some chain store, sprayed with god knows what chemicals. After that I am building solar panels, and maybe a windmill or two, loosen the shackles the energy company has on us. I want myself as much off the grid as I can get, then maybe I will be able to live a little before I croak.

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When we start making some money, I plan on building myself a greenhouse in the backyard, and grow food year round.

Just keep an eyeball on S510 and later amendments. The Ag Cartel REALLY wants a captive market and sooner or later it will be very difficult to grow your own food.

A solemn walk through HR 875 is an in depth look at the first "Food Safety" bill. It will give you a good look at the way the Food Safety Law will eventually look.

....Though private residences are not specifically included, nor are they specifically excluded. While this does not immediately affect homeowners growing tomatoes in the backyard, entered testimony leaves the door open for just that in the future. Referring back to the Bio-Terrorism Act,...

(13) FOOD ESTABLISHMENT-

(A) IN GENERAL- The term 'food establishment' means a slaughterhouse (except those regulated under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products Inspection Act), factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients.

Now, every home in the country holds food after buying it from the grocery store. Will they be included too? Heck, no. They're going to be magnanimous and say that, while they could, they won't right now.

Section 406 clearly states all food offered for sale will be viewed as being in interstate commerce and subject to the provisions of this bill.

C. 406. PRESUMPTION.

In any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction shall be presumed to exist

(8) CATEGORY 4 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term 'category 4 food establishment' means a food establishment that processes all other categories of food products not described in paragraphs (5) through (7).

(9) CATEGORY 5 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term 'category 5 food establishment' means a food establishment that stores, holds, or transports food products prior to delivery for retail sale.

(14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term 'food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

The key phrase that is in this bill and not in the current bill is:
"In any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction shall be presumed to exist

This is the "Commerce Clause" and goes back to the Supreme Court case WICKARD, Secretary of Agriculture, et al. v. FILBURN.

The Court's opinion must be quoted to be believed:

[The wheat] supplies a need of the man who grew it which would otherwise be reflected by purchases in the open market. Home-grown wheat in this sense competes with wheat in commerce.

As Epstein commented, "Could anyone say with a straight face that the consumption of home-grown wheat is 'commerce among the several states?'"
www.fff.org...

So if the "Commerce Clause" is added at a later date and the Tesser Amendment is repealed, home gardeners will be subject to the same regulations and Red Tape as large Commercial Farms. --- For your own good of course.

If you really want to get sick look at the "Scorched Earth Policies" farmwars.info...

Originally posted by Alfie1
I infer from your post that you live in the US or Canada. In which case you are, like me who lives in western europe, privileged.

You say you would like to see europe and asia from which it is apparent that you haven't travelled much.

I would suggest to you that before you equate working 9-5 as slavery and rubbish the " shiny overpriced products" and freedoms of the west you do a bit of travelling in the third world and get an idea from the people living there of how hard done by they think you are.

While I certainly empathize where you're coming from, in regards to 3rd World Countries, you have to admit the vast majority of the problems with them is an askance supervision by the United Nations, as well as dictators taking over, while the U.N. is oblivious, and or taking kickbacks, which only keeps those people within that defined "3rd World Nation" within a povery level.

The U.N. Exposed: How the United Nations Sabotages America's Security and Fails the World

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Amazon Review :

A scorching indictment of the U.N. by a journalist who has done as much to expose the puffed-up incompetents and frauds of Turtle Bay as anyone. -- Rich Lowry, editor, National Review

Eric Shawn has been brave enough to wield one of the first shovels among the ruins of the status quo. -- Christopher Hitchens

Eric Shawn has written a superb book that objectively lays out [the U.N.’s] many faults and failures—a desperately needed step in the right direction. -- Edward I. Koch, former mayor of New York City

Eric Shawn makes a persuasive case that the U.N.... has drifted dangerously astray. -- Rudolph W. Giuliani, former mayor of New York City

Eric Shawn’s explosive book breaks open the world of the diplomatic elite, shows what really goes on behind closed doors and reveals how the international bureaucrats on New York’s East River are an even bigger problem than we ever imagined. -- Sean Hannity

Eric Shawn’s new book is a blistering attack on the world body’s corruption, hypocrisies, greed, ineptitude, scandals and crimes against humanity — and it delivers knockout punches on every page. -- Newsmax.com

If any journalist can expose the U.N. with wit, style, and common sense, it’s Eric Shawn. He’s a pit bull with a pen! -- Ann Coulter

The United Nations is supposed to be a guardian of peace and goodwill. Instead, it has degenerated into a corrupt and cowardly organization. How did that happen? The U.N. Exposed will tell you It is the best investigative work on the U.N. in print. -- Bill O’Reilly

If any journalist can expose the U.N. with wit, style, and common sense, it’s Eric Shawn. He’s a pit bull with a pen! (Ann Coulter)

The United Nations is supposed to be a guardian of peace and goodwill. Instead, it has degenerated into a corrupt and cowardly organization. How did that happen? The U.N. Exposed will tell you It is the best investigative work on the U.N. in print. (Bill O’Reilly)

Eric Shawn’s explosive book breaks open the world of the diplomatic elite, shows what really goes on behind closed doors and reveals how the international bureaucrats on New York’s East River are an even bigger problem than we ever imagined. (Sean Hannity)

Eric Shawn makes a persuasive case that the U.N.... has drifted dangerously astray. (Rudolph W. Giuliani, former mayor of New York City)

Eric Shawn has been brave enough to wield one of the first shovels among the ruins of the status quo. (Christopher Hitchens)

A scorching indictment of the U.N. by a journalist who has done as much to expose the puffed-up incompetents and frauds of Turtle Bay as anyone. (Rich Lowry, editor, National Review)

Eric Shawn has written a superb book that objectively lays out [the U.N.’s] many faults and failures—a desperately needed step in the right direction. (Edward I. Koch, former mayor of New York City)

Eric Shawn’s new book is a blistering attack on the world body’s corruption, hypocrisies, greed, ineptitude, scandals and crimes against humanity — and it delivers knockout punches on every page. (Newsmax.com)

As well people use those war zones as a means to bypass regulatory laws, kidnap children and create child armies, and pretty much make life a living Hell for anyone who cannot leave, and at times those nations kill off people just as easily as a rich man wiping their butts with a $100 bill, so while I can see the issues with those nations, it is an endemic problem which will never go away because organizations like Sally Struthers or even U.N.I.C.E.F. do not do a damn thing to stop the warlords.

And it is insane to work, within America or anywhere else, even comparing it to 3rd World nations, where a cubicle is similar to a prison cell, where working 9 to 5 for 20 years gets you crapped on and a gold watch at retirement, if the company has not outsourced your job to some venal 3rd World country where people do not even attempt to fight the corruption.

This is why coutries like Yemen are easily used to circumvent American airport security with idiots like the Underwear Bomber.

These countries have issue with barely existing and being used by the United Nations as cannon fodder.

As well as corporate interests, American, or otherwise, walking over the country, if they have not bribed them.

Privaleged or not, America is not at fault for those 3rd World nations, that is the United Nations.

Sure, America has a hand in the problem, but American citizens are not at fault.

Our Government however does has culpability just as much as the United Nations.

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I wholeheartedly agree that the Bilderberg Group is a part of this problem.

The True Story of the Bilderberg Group : Daniel Estulin

I did the above thread on him and his book including video interviews.

I loved reading Daniel Estulin's book The True Story of the Bilderberg Group it showed the seedy side of these people bypassing each countries laws, using the cover of secret meetings to plan things which they have no right to plan considering they are not meeting on behalf of each country they represent.

Amazon Review :

Delving into a world once shrouded in complete mystery and impenetrable security, this investigative report provides a fascinating account of the annual meetings of the world’s most powerful people—the Bilderberg Group.

Since its inception in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in the small Dutch town of Oosterbeek, the Bilderberg Group has been comprised of European prime ministers, American presidents, and the wealthiest CEOs of the world, all coming together to discuss the economic and political future of humanity.

The working press has never been allowed to attend, nor have statements ever been released on the attendees' conclusions or discussions, which have ramifications on the citizens of the world.

Using methods that resemble the spy tactics of the Cold War—and in several instances putting his own life on the line—the author did what no one else has managed to achieve: he learned what was being said behind the closed doors of the opulent hotels and has made it available to the public.

This second edition includes an entirely new chapter and updated information on topics such as an earlier attempt to break up Canada and the portents of a North American union.

Bilderberger : The Global Agenda, Eugenics, Global Warming, And Biochiping Sheeple

If you look at the M.I.A.C. Report they targeted anyone speaking against the R.F.I.D. program.

Using the umbrella of watching militia's anyone who spoke out against it was targeted.

And as well the people in the know about the North American Union were targeted.

Originally posted by scoutsniper
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Your site claims it is here to "exchange information". I asked SKL if he would be willing to do so (exchange information) not using your site which leaves ATS out of the loop, hence, you would not be involved in that exchange provided that SKL is willing to do just that.

That all depends upon the information offered as well as expected.

I am not a fan of people like Julian Assange and do not offer up means to commit illegal actions.

My posts leave out valuable information, means to commit action, and as well teeth in which to do so.

It's called being a responsible citizen who will not break the law but will go just within the bounds.

Using policy, procedure, and protocol and the laws right up to their boundaries.

This is why ATS has their terms and conditions written the way they are so they are not held liable.

Considering it is a privately owned website they have to protect their rights, interests, and the members.

Originally posted by scoutsniper
It is evident that ATS bases what they do, based on assumptions. This is your site. This is the fourth time that I have been notified concerning posts I have made. This all started when I invited any one at this site to take a road trip to visit FEMA camps here in Georgia and questioned those that "run" this site. I used the term "cheese dick" in a post and was told that constituted a violation of your rules. Profanity! Another message said that my posts were too "abrasive". Telling the facts in a direct manner at ATS is "abrasive".

ATS is an international forum where dignity, diplomacy, and denying ignorance are mandatory.

Recruiting is something which is watched out for to prevent actual conspiracies from abounding.

As an example the group, Hutaree, and keeping people safe.

Again, this is a private website, you signed the terms and conditions, with a digital signature.

Just like I did.

Originally posted by scoutsniper
Conclusion; NSA/Google are watching everything and have been doing so for a very long time. ATS is willing to let me as well as others post our information to extend the ATS data base of intelligence. You do not want the members at this site to speak or communicate through other channels in a private manner which would leave ATS out of the loop, in turn denying you a direct flow of the information that passes between members using another form of communication.
Asking another member to exchange information using another channel does not "scatter abroad" (disseminate) chain letters, petitions, pyramid schemes, or any kind of solicitation for political action, social action, letter campaigns, or related online and/or offline coordinated actions of any kind. What I proposed to SKL is an agreement to share what each other has concerning our own info using another line of communication. (private email) (telephone). That is in no way a violation of the rules you just posted.

Seeing as ATS has written terms and conditions, and lawyers, they have the right to interpret their website.

ATS has never had an issue with people exchanging e-mails, telephone numbers, or addresses.

Not to my knowledge.

But in private.

I'm looking at this above my typing as I type this message back to you.

Quote from : ATS : Pre-Post Message :

You are an experienced contributor to ATS.

Please be an example for our newer members and make every post matter.

They as well used to have a message below which stated not to share personal information.

Originally posted by scoutsniper
That must have "hit a nerve" here at ATS. Is ATS answering to the NSA also? PP removed me for asking that question. Will you? I was looking for a site that allows the free flow of intelligence between its members when I came across ATS. After you remove me from ATS I shall continue to look for a site that is willing to truly share information without restrictions. By the way, I sent an email to your office asking to be removed about two weeks ago when it came to my attention that you use censorship like others use the air they breathe. You "suck it in" then you "blow it out". Is this truth too abrasive for you also? The truth hurts only those that fear it. That would be you. Congratulations for exposing what you are.

I think you're taking what happened the wrong way.

Think of it as protecting both you, myself, and other members from potential harm.

Especially considering there are foreign spies, Government Agents, and other people reading here.

Trust me.

Just a friendly reply directly to you considering you stated your original message was directed to me.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

...you have to admit the vast majority of the problems with them is an askance supervision by the United Nations...

I will certainly second that.

One of the Farmer groups I belong to had comments from an African farmer from Kenya who was trying to save the Zebu cattle.

I am going to post some of what he wrote.

Yes we have allot of Government interference but the biggest thread to our survival is the Billion of American tax money and any other rich countries sending to Africa for poverty eradication.I will foreword you the article I wrote about the donor money to Africa.

The government and big malty national cooperation's are our number one enemy. In my village the large Sugar industry is killing us. first they asked people to clear the forests to grow sugar cane , sugar cane takes two years to harvest, but because of corruption it takes up to seven years sometimes if you do not pay kick back they will never come to harvest your sugar cane,and even if they cut after seven years they deduct so much fees that most small scale farmers wind up owing them money.  

The worst thing they did is that they coursed so much land degradation of small farmers by using too much nitrogen phosphate chemical fertilizers and over relying on just one crop without rotation.This has created the top soil to be so acidic and since the villagers cleared the trees to make room for sugar cane crops there is nothing to prevent top soil from getting washed into the rivers then on to lake Victoria.

Please google the effect of nitrogen phosphate into Lake Victoria and you can see the damage to the lake. All the river streams flowing into the Lake are carrying so much soil and Chemical fertilizers in such a way that in a few years there will be no Lake Victoria.

Here is what new york Times write about What Heifer International , and Land O lake is doing to Africa and the world it is a shame. Heifer international Animals dies within three months of their arival to Africa.....

online Copy posted at: nonais.org...-1161314

ORIGINAL:
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The Third World Countries would be a lot better off if we would leave them alone!

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H.L. Mencken

Mencken must have been talking about the UN.

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The War on Drugs was never meant to be won ever.

It is merely a means to seize vehicles, homes, and boats to leverage blackmail through funds.

"Flipping the perp" is the reason behind arrests to go up the food chain.

If someone does not give up their dealer, or the regional dealer, or international connection?

Years in jail clogging up our prison system with meaningless laws which are overlooked if someone snitches.

Read the book I posted about the Underground Empire and you will see something startling.

There once was an organization called Centac, short for Central Tactical Unit which was fighting.

They were tearing down entire drug empires one by one.

Until the F.B.I., C.I.A., and D.E.A. hamstrung them over petty rivalries, budgetary competitions, and turf wars.

This is where organizations like the Department of Homeland Security and T.S.A. happen.

The one plus is the stupidity between competing organizations has ceased to a small extent.

Not by much, and not as many things spill over into the main populace, but small indeed.

We were in the midst of so many turf wars and too few knew about it.

I was the only person I knew that knew about the extent of stupidity between agencies.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

The War on Drugs was never meant to be won ever....

That has been pretty obvious even to someone like me who has not really looked into it.

With the number of books you recommend I am going to be reading into next summer!

I generally try to read happy fiction at night to shut my mind off and dilute the nightmares. Some how I do not think your reading list will make good bed time stories --- that is unless I WANT nightmares.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

The War on Drugs was never meant to be won ever....

That has been pretty obvious even to someone like me who has not really looked into it.

With the number of books you recommend I am going to be reading into next summer!

I generally try to read happy fiction at night to shut my mind off and dilute the nightmares. Some how I do not think your reading list will make good bed time stories --- that is unless I WANT nightmares.

I have looked into it all of my life because of being a conspiracy theorist.

And it is something that the C.I.A. is heavily vested in as an investment and the D.E.A. plays the dope.

Pun intended.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Air America (Airline)

Air America was an American passenger and cargo airline established in 1950 and covertly owned and operated by the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) Special Activities Division from 1950 to 1976.

It supplied and supported covert operations in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War.

I've known about Air America since 1979 when I was 6 years old.

Many people forget about that connection when speaking on the events of 9/11 as well.

They even made a humorous movie about it with Mel Gibson and Robert Downey Jr..

Air America Trailer


Nightmares or not it's all worth knowing.