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T.S.A. : Birth of A Monster, Coup Against American Rights, F.E.M.A. Started and D.A.R.P.A. Finished

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posted on Nov, 29 2010 @ 11:58 AM
reply to post by burntheships

We do have a chance to resist this but not through the means most people think.

Most people think, talk, or act the thought that guns, truck-loads of explosives, or nooses.

This is ignorant talk which only leads to stupid events where people get killed.

Quite needlessly, I might add, through shared ignorance's.

The real problem is an "armed resistance" will never work.

Not at this current stage of what is happening in the world.


Because people do not know how to deal with Agent Provocateurs.

These are the people sent in to get people agitated into action.

Either to do something stupid, giving Government deniability, or to walk into the "wolf-trap".

Aviation Director Jerry Orr will be a case of "suicide" of some sort because he's bucking the system.

"Security" is for those people unwilling to defend themselves.

Or for those people who are too easily intimidated.

Every citizen of the world should know basic self-defense.

posted on Nov, 29 2010 @ 12:11 PM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Maybe we should go at it through unconventional means.
I read the other day...if everyone bought silver, it would fail the banks.

Now that would be epic.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:49 AM
reply to post by ofhumandescent

We can get past this nonsense.

Just not at the cost of our liberty.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:54 AM

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Maybe we should go at it through unconventional means.
I read the other day...if everyone bought silver, it would fail the banks.

Now that would be epic.

The only way to beat this without being beaten ourselves is through non-violence and legal action.

Forming a non-profit, a policy think-tank, and burying them under mountains of paperwork.

Unfortunately, there are too few people willing, let alone who have the proverbial balls to do it.

Gold, silver, commodities trading, these are all fine, but not until a group has their legs under them.

Zero violence, zero illegal activities, zero tolerance for mindless barbarians.

This is to make it bulletproof, to keep out Agent Provocateurs, and unstoppable.

posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 08:22 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Hi SKL, Great thread but I would expect nothing less.

For those who might visit at this late date I would like to provide some background: (SKL feel free to steal this for another thread)
1913 – Federal Reserve Act turn control of money over to the central bankers.

1929 – Bankers INTENTIONALY crash the economy.
The The Great Depression according to Milton Friedman
Secrets of the Federal Reserve

1933 - The crash sets the stage for FDR to put in place several elements of the "Agenda":

Mr. Roosevelt entered office on January 20, 1933. Within 34 hr of becoming President, Roosevelt closed the doors on every bank and passed the Emergency Banking Relief Act of 1933 on March 9, 1933: See:

Then Roosevelt confiscated citizen's gold through an executive order on April 5th 1933.

Executive Order 6102:  "Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve Bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933"

By threatening to pack the US Supreme Court, Roosevelt blackmailed the passage of the new interpretation of the “Commerce Clause”

Wickard v. Filburn
The government claimed that if Mr. Filburn grew wheat for his own use, he would not be buying it — and that affected interstate commerce....

The Court's opinion must be quoted to be believed:
[The wheat] supplies a need of the man who grew it which would otherwise be reflected by purchases in the open market. Home-grown wheat in this sense competes with wheat in commerce."

As Epstein commented, "Could anyone say with a straight face that the consumption of home-grown wheat is 'commerce among the several states?'"

After Wickard, the Federal government has been free to regulate nearly everything. The Supreme “Court has held that if Congress sees a connection to interstate commerce, it is not its role to second guess.”

The New Deal, Beginning of the Nanny State. After the crash unemployment hit 30%, inflation was sky high, GDP was down by 50% and people were screaming for help so they turned to the Federal Government:

How FDR's New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People:
...Mounting evidence, however, makes clear that poor people were principal victims of the New Deal. The evidence has been developed by dozens of economists -- including two Nobel Prize winners -- at Brown, Columbia, Princeton, Johns Hopkins, the University of California (Berkeley) and University of Chicago, among other universities.

New Deal programs were financed by tripling federal taxes from $1.6 billion in 1933 to $5.3 billion in 1940....

Thus began the change from self reliance to the federal government controlled nanny state.

1947 - The decision was made in 1947 by the Council on Economic Development to get rid of millions of self reliant farmers. This ripped apart the fabric of American society.

1954 - The final act was Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson adding "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." to the tax code in 1954. This silenced the voice of the local communities. (I am an Agnostic BTW) That voice has now been replaced by international NGOs.

Strong's early work with YMCA international “...may have been the genesis of Strong's realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.”

"Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues," notes Peter Spiro. "Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots." The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations.

Complete control of the media, for the last century makes control of the people complete.

According to Congressional Record for 1917:

"...the J.P. Morgan [banking] interests.... and their subsidiary organizations got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the US.... They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information...." Congressman Oscar Callaway statements included in the Congressional Record (vol. 54, February 9, 1917, p. 2947).

Who owns the media, today? The media is dominated by five companies:

Time Warner
Vivendi Universal
Walt Disney
News Corp

Those 5 companies own 95% of all the media that we get every day. They own the major entertainment theme parks, entertainment movie studios, television and radio broadcast networks and programing, video news and sports entertainment.

The only "uncontrolled" source of information is the internet and steps are being taken to bring that under control too. The shut down of several sites and Wikileaks come to mind.

posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 09:58 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

So much for history and onto today and the "grope-N-fly" => RFID tags theme.
I certainly agree that the end goal is to RFID tag everyone so they are subject to tracking. However TPTB are following a multi level plan to "herd" us into compliance. "grope-N-fly" is only one prong.

THE BIGGY is OBAMACARE. RFID taging of patients has already begun.

RFID Wrsitbands for Hospital Application Edison NJ
Should Doctors Make the Patient Internet Portal Leap?
The demand for RFID systems in healthcare, notably RTLS, is poised for significant growth

It is very simple NO TAG no health care. The food bill, now passed, with the FDA taking orders from Codex Alimentarious, will eventually lead to alternatives from national healthcare being outlawed.

Again older information that has since changed on-line. The intent is pretty obvious

International Harmonization

The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.

Participation in Codex Alimentarius
Cosmetics International Activities
International Organizations and Standard-Setting Bodies...

Both "Grop-N-Fly and Obamacare are pretty obvious. However there is a third prong that most people are missing. It was tucked away in the Obamacare mess.

The Part of the AGENDA everyone misses

First: How important are "small businesses" anyway?

Small firms:
• Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
• Employ half of all private sector employees.
• Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
• Generated 65 percent of net new jobs over the past 17 years.
• Create more than half of the nonfarm private GDP.
• Hire 43 percent of high tech workers (scientists, engineers, computer programmers, and others).
• Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
• Made up 97.5 percent of all identified exporters and produced 31 percent of export value in FY 2008.
• Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms.

Source: U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics,

The first part most people are aware of. The small business health care exemption for companies under 50 employees. This effectively caps the grow of a small business. "We will let you get to 50 employees, after that all the red tape and cost will kick in to keep you from growing bigger." says the US government.

The 2008 “Red Flags” Rule does something similar. Again you are exempt unless you are a creditor "The definition of “creditor” is broad and includes businesses or organizations that regularly defer payment for goods or services or provide goods or services and bill customers later.' This means that technically the guy I just bought hay from is a covered because he delivered hay directly out of the field (not the barn - more labor), and I sent him payment a couple days later when I had the funds.

The real big issue, that effects most if not ALL small business, is the new 1099 reporting requirements. What is a 1099? "1099 forms are used for a number of reasons, though, typically, they are given to independent contractors--also known as "freelancers"--as a record of the income they received from a particular business." click

Section 9006 of the health care bill -- just a few lines buried in the 2,409-page document -- mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.
Think about it a small business owner will be swamped tracking all his suppliers, whether he bought $600 worth of goods, whether he paid, cash, check or by CREDITCARD>

And then it becomes obvious where the "we the people" are being move towards:
Credit card payments exempt from new 1099 reporting rule

explanation of WHY

So why do the Banks, Government and the Big Corporation have it in for small businesses?

Well Big Corporations is easy, they want to kill possible competition early. ( Big Corporations are not fond of capitalism BTW)

So Why do the government and the banks have it in for small businesses?

The answer to that can be found in the Grace Commission Report to President Regan.

First be aware that bank loans: mortgages, credit cards and other loans are created on the spot from "pixie dust" using an entry on an accounting ledger. Therefore loans are a means of creating a debt owed to the banker that must be paid with "real wealth" - your labor. Legalized theft on a grand scale if you will.

The Government (politicians) collude with the banks to steal money from the citizens because they get to "borrow" money without "raising taxes" - directly - and look good to their voters, Of course citizens ARE taxed by the devaluation of the dollars they are paid or that they save.

Back to the Grace Commission Report.

Mr. President, you have been so correct in resisting attempts to balance the budget by increasing taxes. The tax load on the average American family is already at counterproductive levels with the underground economy having now grown to an estimated $500 billion per year, costing about $100 billion in lost Federal tax revenues per year.

The size of the underground economy is understandable when one considers that median family income taxes have increased from $9 in 1948 to $2,218 in 1983, or by 246 times. This is runaway taxation at its worst.

Importantly, any meaningful increases in taxes from personal income would have to come from lower and middle income families, as 90 percent of all personal taxable income is generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.

Further, there isn't much more that can be extracted from high income brackets. If the Government took 100 percent of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for seven days.

Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:

* One-third of all their taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the Federal Government as we identified in our survey.
* Another one-third of all their taxes escapes collection from others as the underground economy blossoms in direct proportion to tax increases and places even more pressure on law abiding taxpayers, promoting still more underground economy-a vicious cycle that must be broken.
* With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.

And there you have the reasons.
1. The Central Bankers get ALL your tax money.
2. There is a sizable underground economy "stealing" money from the bankers and perhaps the government.

To make sure the Central Bankers can effectively "shear" (tax) the sheep they must control all aspects of where money goes. The Corporations have no problem with this because if they can kill off the competition they get a larger cheaper labor pool and can charge as much as "the market will bear" And politicians will go along with it because they hope voters will see them as "fixing the problem"

posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 12:18 PM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Now comes the hard part. What can we as individuals do?

You say: “Again, not true, people would rather talk, then take appropriate action.
Appropriate action is not guns, C-4, and a noose either.
It is to actually get organized and do something, anything, other than just talk.
I've said it in many threads, open a non-profit, form a policy think-tank and influence politics.

From there I would like to say a bit about the Tea Party. (I am not a member)

When I first heard of the Tea Party, I was hoping we were at last seeing an awaking of the slumbering sheep, an actual US vs the Polticial Class movement. So how the Tea Party has been dealt with is instructive. It seemed to start out as a general population against the government movement, but TPTB quickly nullified that.

First it used the media to increase the tension between Liberals and Conservatives with label like Tea Baggers, watermelons, racists and religious nuts being thrown around. This of course has successfully re-diverted the masses into the same old Liberals vs Conservatives camps, allowing the Republicans to round-up the strays and get them back into the acceptable fight among themselves mode.

I sometimes wonder if the Tea Party was started to do just that. Round-up the disgruntled individuals not affiliated with any TPTB controlled organization and get them back under control. A preemptive strike if you will.

This is the most successful tack that is used by TPTB. Use their tame "activists" to stir up a fight among the unwashed masses. I first noticed this in the “Food Safety” bill fight.

Linn Cohen-Cole wrote several fairly decent articles including A solemn Walk Through HR 875 a rebuttal of Food and Water Watch "HR 875: Myths and Rumors"

I could not understand WHY Organic Consumers Assoc and Food & Water Watch were in favor of this bill. That is until I did some digging: Maude Barlow a “no dog in this fight” Canadian, is a director of both. She has been handsomely rewarded for selling the US consumer out with an appointment as New Senior Advisor to the UN President on October 21, 2008.

Then there is “Orange Cloud” owner of La Vida Locavore who was seen all over the internet attacking any who oppose the bogus food safety bills. She lists herself as Jill Richardson Consultant but she is "UC San Diego" Sustainability Coordinator and is working on the practical aspects of UN Agenda 21. And these are just two.

Few people will bother to do the required digging to get to the truth. And that brings me to:


What is the three second rule, you ask? Three seconds is the amount of time that you have to grab the attention of a...visitor...

So with that in mind you need to remember that a good banner campaign is one that stops someone in their tracks and causes their eyes to pull away from what they are doing and want to peer at your ad. Once you have accomplished that, you have just burned an impression in that users mind of your product, company logo, and/or message. The best ad designs will burn all three.

I was even taught this in a tech writing course. State the Problem in the first sentence followed by the Conclusion in a couple more sentences, all in the first paragraph. If the manager wants to he can read the rest.

Worse we are being conditioned to have a shorter and shorter attention span. I saw some TV for the first time in twenty years a little while ago. The speed at which images were flashed on the screen and changed astounded me. Yet this is what people are being conditioned to accept.

For those of us trying to pound some information into people's skulls this is our biggest obstacle. How the heck do we get the message out to someone else in three seconds without sounding like we need the men in the white coats???

The only think I have found is to use the poor economy/Banking Crisis as a hook. Talk about the Federal Reserve Fraud and then hand them a card with websites with further info and hope like heck they bother to follow up. I just wish I had a decent non affiliated organization I could send them to while I am at it.

On a positive note. Either I am getting to be a better salesman or people have more interest. Now if we could only find a leader that TPTB does not corrupt, intimidate or kill....

posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 05:07 PM

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

I think we are in total agreement!
Well...except this...

I would not wish to live in a society that is autonomous.

 self-governing; independent; subject to its own laws only.

If you do not desire a self governing, independent society, what "type" society would you like to live in?

First off, that is completely impossible, far too many people are lazy and useless.

Secondly, Secret Societies, would never allow that to happen, ever, unless they were eliminated.

Thirdly, Utopia is nothing I seek out, it is an impossible dream, just that a dream.

I've grown accustomed to defending myself, protecting myself, and doing the right thing, alone.

You only think you are alone. You are breathing air someone else just choked up.
Let's see you defend yourself against a microbe.

Far too many people have not found their calling to be sure. I wouldn't say everyone is lazy and even lazy people could contribute but to even ask for anything of them smacks of communism so we are painted into a corner. Lazy people? How about enterprising thieves making fortunes on useless ineffective products later discovered to be killers.You (we) respect those people though. Bow down to the capitalist model. Take pharmaceuticals. Finally surpassing car accidents as the countries #1 killer. Or Toyota and the lives lost to them.
We support those "legal killers" along with corporatism. You pay for it, you support them if you shop.

edit on 2-12-2010 by rusethorcain because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 08:15 PM
reply to post by rusethorcain

We support those "legal killers" along with corporatism. You pay for it, you support them if you shop.

Actually I shop farmers markets, direct from the farmer, and small business people. I try NOT to support Walmart or any of the rest. I pay more, eat better and sleep better at night.

posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 06:40 AM

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by rusethorcain

We support those "legal killers" along with corporatism. You pay for it, you support them if you shop.

Actually I shop farmers markets, direct from the farmer, and small business people. I try NOT to support Walmart or any of the rest. I pay more, eat better and sleep better at night.

I think a great portion of shoppers will go this route, though you are in the minority now. Of course there will always be a Walmart - it is too late to stop it. We will eventually break down into a dual society of superficial, ad driven, repeat consumers of mega markets and self sufficient folks who "grow their own" and get together to barter or trade commodities. That is if we do not destroy all the land, trees and soil it takes to grow.

I think the challenge now will be to hold on to the unspoiled NATURE we have and not let any more of it go to matter what the cost, no matter what return is promised.
NATURE is where we will find the rest of our missing answers.
Pains should be taken to PRESERVE IT, and be sure what little remains is not swept away in the momentum of excitement toward the superstore.

NATURE is what we should be careful to preserve and replace -
what we should leave our children.

posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 03:17 PM
reply to post by rusethorcain

I think a great portion of shoppers will go this route, though you are in the minority now. Of course there will always be a Walmart - it is too late to stop it. We will eventually break down into a dual society of superficial, ad driven, repeat consumers of mega markets and self sufficient folks who "grow their own" and get together to barter or trade commodities. That is if we do not destroy all the land, trees and soil it takes to grow.

That is what the "locavore" movement was all about. Unfortunately the international Ag cartel decided to do something about it .- Regulate it out of existance.

First came the set-up, The World Trade Organization Agreement on Ag, written by Dan Amstutz VP of the grain trader Cargill. (1995) This was followed by the adoption of the International HACCP regs in 1996. Regs that turn control of the food supply over to the Ag Cartel and shut down most of the government surveillance and testing labs, thus setting the stage for the "food Crisis" designed to herd the sheeple in to bleating for protection (GRRRRrrrr)

What was really interesting was these tidbits:

September, 1995, The USDA's Food Safety & Inspection Service presented a 600-page document Farm-To-Table - control of every step in the food chain from production to home preparation.

I would say that document makes the intent pretty darn obvious!

January 2005: Guide to Good Farming Practices: "This draft guide to good farming practices for animal production food safety was taken from the Report of the Meeting of the OIE Terrestrial Animal Health Standards Commission" (Paris, 17-28 January 2005)

Followed directly by:
2005 Bill: Safe and Secure Food Act (very general)

Not to mention That the FDA came right out and said they are working on "Harmonization" of laws with International Bodies (Codex Alimentarious et al)

Finally we come up with the true plan: HR 875 see

That did not fly through Congress as expected so we get a watered down version S-510 and no doubt "Amendments" for future inclusion on other bills being written as we speak.

One should always look at the original bill to see what the actual intent is. "Compromises" are just for show and evaporate as soon as the public is distracted by other bread and circuses.

It is amazing, how, once your eyes have been opened to the shell game you can spot it everywhere!

(some of the links are old and may not work)

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 10:00 AM
reply to post by crimvelvet

Where Did All The Money Go?

Thank you.

I've only gotten started exposing this nonsense.

And I wrote a thread speaking on the Federal Reserve, a quasi-governmental organization, privately owned.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

The title is the same as the title of the book but this thread goes deeper.

It offers a lenghty video lecture of the author who tells it just how it really is behind the curtain.

You do know the classic story of the Wizard of Oz was about the Federal Reserve, right?

The Wizard of Oz: Pay No Attention

This classic tale once has Dorothy in silver slippers, with a "yellow brick road", which represented gold.

The gold standard and silver standard influenced market?

This is why we no longer have gold backing our United States dollar bills anymore.

Quote from : The Money Reform Party : United Kingdom


Baum and Bryan wanted money to be based on silver, not gold, as silver was more readily available in the Mid-West, where it was mined. Such a money supply could not be manipulated by the banks. So the story of the Wizard of Oz starts with a cyclone in the form of imagined electoral success for Bryan...

Dorothy, a sort of proverbial ‘Everywoman’, lands on the Wicked Witch of the East (the East-coast bankers), killing her, so freeing the Munchkins, the down-trodden poor, but the Wicked Witch of the West (the West-coast bankers) remains loose.

To deal with her and to get back to Kansas (normality), the Good Witch of the North, representing the electorate of the North (this is less than 40 years after the civil war), tells Dorothy to seek out the Wizard of Oz (‘oz’ being short for ounce, the means of weighing both gold and silver). She also gives her a pair of silver slippers (as they were in the book - they became ruby ones in the film). Only these silver slippers will enable her to remain safe on the yellow-brick road, representing the bankers’ gold standard, as she heads towards the Emerald City, representing Washington DC.


Part of the entire plan to devalue our dollar is force America to match all other countries in lockstep.

Behind an international form of currency but first the American banking system must collapse.

After they have released all funds to "Bail Out" all the major players in a high-stakes bank robbery.

It is surprising that the Federal Bureau of Investigation does not see the list of fraud charges building.

Using the laws to in essence rob the Treasury is the highest form of fraud and treason I've ever seen.

This is as well endangering America to influence of outside forces without citizens consent.

40 countries out of 192 in the United Nations are already onboard with this R.F.I.D. chip program.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.

Where else was it I saw Destron Fearing's name again since you might not be as familiar as I am?

Quote from : Wikipedia : Digital Angel : Subsidiaries

Digital Angel GPS and RFID products enable the rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of people.

Applications of their products include identification and monitoring of pets and fish with implantable RFID microchips, identification of livestock with ear tags, GPS based search and rescue beacons for aircraft, ships, boats, and individuals.

Animal Identification Segment


Destron Fearing - Leading US manufacture since 1945.

Pioneered microchip technology for animals in 1980s.

Asset Identification Segment

Signature Industries LTD. - UK-based company since WWII, supplying electric safety products, and major supplier to the RAF.

SARBE - Encrypted GPS emergency beacons for military forces

McMurdo - Supplier of maritime emergency location beacons and navigational devices in Europe

Digital Angel owns a minority position (49%) in [ VeriChip Corporation] (NASDAQ:CHIP).

Underlined and Bolded by SKL

Oh yes, that was it, "Digital Angel", the sister corporation to Verichip.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Verichip

VeriChip is the only Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip.

It is marketed by VeriChip Corporation, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, and it received United States FDA approval in 2004.

About twice the length of a dime, the device is typically implanted between the shoulder and elbow area of an individual’s right arm.

Once scanned at the proper frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16 digit number which could be then linked with information about the user held on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses.

The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic in a physician's office.

As an implanted device used for identification by a third party, it has generated controversy and debate.

Destron Fearing, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, initially developed the technology for the VeriChip.

And look, there's Destron Fearing, yet again, along with Applied Digital Solutions.

All tied into I.B.M. in some shape, form, or manner.

Quote from : We The People Will Not Be Chipped Website

1.The VeriChip can be hacked

2.Security researcher Jonathan Westhues has shown how easy it is to clone a VeriChip

3.VeriChip cloning demo online at

4.Eighteen employees in the Mexican Attorney General's office who use an implanted chip to enter a sensitive records room

5.Company's own literature indicates that chipped patients cannot undergo an MRI if they're unconscious.

6.Digital Angel Corporation (formerly Destron Fearing) has been involved in the development and manufacture of livestock identification products since 1948.

7.The company admits that critical medical information linked to the chip could be unavailable in a real emergency.

8.Chipped patients might also have to wear a Medic Alert bracelet as a back-up in case the VeriChip database containing their critical medical information is unavailable

9.Physicians are told the product might not function in places where there are ambient radio transmissions--like ambulances

10.Verichip Waiver " fully aware of any risks, complications, risks of loss, damage of any nature, and injury that may be associated with this registration.

Patient waives all claims and releases any liability arising from this registration and acknowledges that no warranties of any kind have been made or will be made with respect to this registration.


Let us take a look at just number 4 on the above list, shall we.

Microchip in Mexico Law enforcement

That sure looked like Peter Jennings talking about the entire process a few years ago, didn't it?

Mexico : The American/Mexican Border, Why Your Rights Are Gone, Because of Arizona...

Oh yeah and then there was the Illegal Immigrant thing with Mexico wasn't there?
edit on 12/4/10 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 10:49 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Where Did All The Money Go?

Thank you.

I've only gotten started exposing this nonsense.

And I wrote a thread speaking on the Federal Reserve, a quasi-governmental organization, privately owned.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve...

Good to hear. I read your thread on the Fed. However I keep bring up the bankers and the Fed because all those "golden brick roads" keep keaping straight back to the bankers if you follow the money.

This article in the New York Times from twenty years ago is especially telling:

...Of mergers and acquisitions each costing $1 million or more, there were just 10 in 1970; in 1980, there were 94; in 1986, there were 346. A third of such deals in the 1980's were hostile. The 1980's also saw a wave of giant leveraged buyouts. Mergers, acquisitions and L.B.O.'s, which had accounted for less than 5 percent of the profits of Wall Street brokerage houses in 1978, ballooned into an estimated 50 percent of profits by 1988...

THROUGH ALL THIS, THE HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP between product and paper has been turned upside down. Investment bankers no longer think of themselves as working for the corporations with which they do business. These days, corporations seem to exist for the investment bankers.... In fact, investment banks are replacing the publicly held industrial corporations as the largest and most powerful economic institutions in America....

THERE ARE SIGNS THAT A VICIOUS spiral has begun, as each corporate player seeks to improve its standard of living at the expense of another's.

Corporate raiders transfer to themselves, and other shareholders, part of the income of employees by forcing the latter to agree to lower wages.

January 29, 1989 New York Times

You can see what has been done to the country if you look at the Census figures:

As percentage of work force from Census figures: (Education is % of the population)
..............................In 1970...........In 2006
Manufacturing.......24.0%...........10.2% (1996)
Education................4.4%..............1.1% (1996)
Government..........14.9%.............16.9% (FED)
Welfare (not SS)........??.................7.2%

Manufacturing as of June 2010: - ( 11,670,000 jobs) - 7.58%
Total population 301,237,703
labor force 153,989,802

lost 1,962,000 manufacturing jobs since 1996.

We have less than half the manufacturing jobs, a quarter of the education jobs per capita but 24% of the labor force is now eating at the government trough. (the welfare numbers have those over 65 subtracted out)

If you count direct government employees plus lawyers, teachers, accounting and other government related jobs about 25% of our labor forces is directly or indirectly dealing with government bureaucracy. Think what is going to happen to these numbers with Obamacare and the Food Safety farce bill.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 11:12 AM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

I am bring this up as a separate sub-topic because I do not think many are aware of it. It is also part of the incremental move to RFID implants and a cashless slave state where you work for a large corporation or starve.

First over 1/2 of the jobs in the USA are created by small businesses. The government is aware they lose 1/3 of the tax revenue to the "underground economy" and as money becomes tighter the "underground economy" increases. PRESIDENT'S PRIVATE SECTOR SURVEY ON COST CONTROL

The Obamacare bill and the Food Safety Farce (S510) are real small business killers and an attempt to get control of the "underground economy"

S510 attacks independent farmers - especially after they slip in the correct amendments in a couple of years. It also includes tracking of all food (NAIS-Animal ID) and tracking for fruits and veggies.

Obamacare is worse. It puts a cap (50 employees) on the growth of small businesses. Because after that they must have Healthcare with the cost and paperwork.

Second it has the 1099 rule. A small business dealing in cash or check has to do reams of paperwork and hand out or receive SS# if the amount is over $600/year to between businesses. This means a small business who want out of the masses of red tape must use and accept credit cards ONLY.

I am going to gear up for sending the idiots in DC LOTS of 1099's, I am going to go out of my way to buy from businesses I do not ordinarily buy from to intentionally increase the number of 1099s And I REALLY look forward to demanding the EIN from Walmart!

(An Employer Identification Number (EIN) is also known as a Federal Tax Identification Number, and is used to identify a business entity)

I hop all other small business owners do the same and literally swamp the IRS.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 11:31 AM
We have allowed this because most people have no idea about what is going on behind corporate doors. How they scheme and plot dominance at their supporter's (people who give money to the corp.) expense.

I have seen this for years, yet am powerless to alter the situation. Now, I can see that all this was set up before my birth. Borne into slavery, and only a few who are corrupt move to the power positions because most people don't want to be a part of that mess.

I bet they wish the internet was never made public. Without the net, the US Govt would never have had to start wikkileaks as a way to let the world in on their monopoly of secrets. They have set us up if we want to be violent, but they have a limited plan for passive rebellion against the state.

It would just take for people to quit spending money on big box items and support local entrepreneurs, farmers and live within the community in a self supporting manner without depending on goods from abroad for their sustenance.

We are independent souls who have been made into slaves. Oh, I guess this slave thing is something we carried forward from our past. The landscape has just changed a bit.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 11:34 AM
reply to post by crimvelvet

I don't believe they, the IRS and TPTB, have a clue what a can of worms they are opening up. After all, it is relatively easy to screw the IRS up so bad they don't know whether they are coming or going.
Not that I would ever THINK of such a thing.....

Or, ENCOURAGE such a disruptive tactic....

Or, PLEAD with people to just use their imagination. Wait, actually I can do that, can't I.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 12:16 PM

Originally posted by rusethorcain
You only think you are alone. You are breathing air someone else just choked up.
Let's see you defend yourself against a microbe.

I rarely if ever get sick and a bottle of Nyquil or packet of Alka-Selzter Cold Plus works fine.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Far too many people have not found their calling to be sure.

Their calling?

People are too easily distracted by snakeoil salesmen selling shoddy products.

They watch American Idol instead of Capitol Hill.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
I wouldn't say everyone is lazy and even lazy people could contribute but to even ask for anything of them smacks of communism so we are painted into a corner.

No, this smacks of irresponsible citizenship, not Communism.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Lazy people?

Yes, lazy people, apathetic, sitting on their keisters, they allowed this to happen.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
How about enterprising thieves making fortunes on useless ineffective products later discovered to be killers.

Thieves only steal from people not paying attention and not vigilant enough to guard themselves.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
You (we) respect those people though.

No, I do not respect those people, I buy the most cost effective verses safest vehicles I can.

And run them into the ground until they run no more.

I buy used spare parts cars and cannibalize them if I have to.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Bow down to the capitalist model.

The capitalist model can kiss my hairy keister unless I am the one making that money.

Then I will make jobs.

Offer internships, corporate partnerships, and franchises towards small business owners.

And screw the "Big Box" stores until they hemmorhage money.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Take pharmaceuticals.

No, I do not get sick often, I do not take pharmaceuticals.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Finally surpassing car accidents as the countries #1 killer.

This is a calculated effort to mask the real cause of deaths.

Corporate negligence.

Kick-backs to poor safety, labor, and business practices for politicians through lobbyists.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Or Toyota and the lives lost to them.

I would own a Toyota over an American made vehicle anyday.

The body will fall off before the engine will die.

American workers have grown fat, lazy, and demand too much but shipping our jobs overseas is not the answer.

Our American citizens needs to learn responsible citizenship without prodding of our Government.

This is the best way to be vigilant so "Bail-Out" scams cannot be pulled anymore.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
We support those "legal killers" along with corporatism.

I do not because I research what I buy and avoid anyone with those records.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
You pay for it, you support them if you shop.

I cannot shop without money, without work, no Christmas has been purchased in the last two years.

I've had limited work in small amounts of hours.

And when I begin full-time work on this Wednesday I am buying my business license.

Time I start creating some jobs, first for me, second for anyone interested, third for people I seek out.
edit on 12/4/10 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 12:33 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

Let us not forget though Obama was not the only one pushing this "Obamacare".

The late Ted Kennedy was pushing this and they used his name after passing to push it through.

I've written a thread speaking at length about the implications about the Healthcare Reform.

How Dare You Mr. President and Congress...

And everything I've pointed out within this thread is ties to this entire process.

Why is the I.R.S. within the Healthcare Reform other than to interject monetary controls?

The lies that was sold is that this is to protect our personal identities yet they are vulnerable.

Identity Theft is only a part of this illusory problem because the solution is just as bad.

Accept the bio-chip to protect your freedoms but by doing this we are accepting a slave collar.

Hospitals, Military bases, and Government facilities are where this nonsense is tested.

Everything else you've stated is moot if we demand our representation by representatives.

Or kick their sorry asses to the curb through forming our own non-profits and think-tanks.

And begin putting our own people into office and work for ourselves.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 12:40 PM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Time I start creating some jobs, first for me, second for anyone interested, third for people I seek out.

Need a Chemist, Quality Engineer, Computer Programer/Technical Writer????

I think the FDA (food safety Farce) will be putting me out of business fairly soon even though I have little to do with food.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 12:50 PM
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Lots of big talk. I just watched some news on Haiti. They(the people) want to start fresh with uncorrupted elections and officials, but this seems not possible.

The ones in charge have already decided who will win that election, not the people who live there. This is just commonplace in this world, it seems.

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