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Is there life on ATS after being caught in a lie?

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posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:02 PM
Okay - this is my confessional, as I feel I'm getting the cold shoulder here on ATS for a particular reason. Those who have connected the dots/seen another thread or two where I posted direct info about my previous identity here on ATS will know that I used to be NoahTheSumerian.

Why did I change my persona? Well, it comes down to shame. I was ashamed at myself for lying/ telling a half-truth on one of the boards (in a thread which wasn't all that important in the grand scheme of things). I expressed to members including Doomsday Rex and Harte (amongst others) that I had a BEng (Hons). This isn't true. I am working towards a BEng (Hons) via the well-reputed Open University.

My knowledge on the subject of the thread (megalithic architecture at Baalbek, Lebanon) was flawed, and I was trying to hold an untenable position in defence of the 'alien astronaut-esque' theories. To try and lend weight to my argument, I dropped into the thread that I held an engineering degree. That, as stated, isn't the truth. I have some decent engineering knowledge, but I don't yet hold the full degree.

God only knows why I said it... It was a moment of madness, short-sighted and most definitely out-of-character. In ordinary life, I am honest to a fault, and it has gotten me into scrapes in the past. I was raised to hold that honesty is the best (and only) policy. It gnaws at my soul to know that I lied even once on ATS, hence this feeling of being in the cold might simply be paranoia induced by the guilt!!!

I was ashamed at myself, felt that I'd let myself down, and decided to back off from ATS and come back under another guise to 'try again', in the hope of redeeming myself. That hasn't quite worked out, and I feel that especially from some of the senior members I appear to be getting the cold shoulder when interacting on threads recently. Is that because of 'the lie' or is that because I'm generally considered a bit of a dusch? I really do want to 'belong' here on ATS (desperate as that sounds
...), but I'm worried that there's an unspoken law of the board - that any member caught in a lie will never be fully admitted 'into the congregation' so to speak.

Is there any hope? Is there life after a lie..?? Will any of the senior/ experienced members on ATS ever have anything good/ ambivalent to say to me following this incident, or am I doomed to be an ATS pariah forevermore...?

I know that in research terms people aren't taken seriously after being caught in a lie, but I'm hoping that as I don't purport to be a researcher - I am a generalist in the strictest sense of the term - that maybe, just maybe, even the hardcore guys and gals can see fit to forgive my mistake/ ethical crime...

If the lack of responses to my comments all over the forum is just because I come across as a bit of a dusch, I would love to hear an exposition on my faults, and why it is that people don't seem to like talking to me on here any more. Please, I know this sounds weird and desperate, but if I can change my demeanour I will. I'll need some pointers, some validation, some acceptance... :/

ATS is a conspiracy site - I'm sure lots of users have felt they are 'on the outside' in various situations in real life - it's not a nice feeling. If I can remedy my 'sins', I will do, but I could do with knowing if I'm just being paranoid...

Thanks in advance ATS.

Much love to all,

Fly/ Noah.

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:04 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

as the pope (which i am in real life
) i hereby forgive you.

how's the degree comin along? do you ever freakin' hate school? lords knows i do.

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:05 PM
meh....dont woz bout it just be u....need a pee catch ya l8r

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:06 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

Just to answer your title there... Ask DocV....O wait????


posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:06 PM
Of Course there is a life after a lie. Coming clean in this way and you gain a lot of respect. People on Internet Boards lie all the time. Who comes clean about it? 1 out of 10000 people. No kidding.

I know from experience that those ancient-alien-skeptics can be really harsh. Ive argued the theory many times on here.

Welcome back to the Community. This could make you stronger and look for even better evidence to present your cause. Imo.

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:07 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

BTW - if you're trying to change direction, your current user name doesn't help - but hey...

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:12 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

The way i deal with this issue, is i am just blunt and honest all the time. If people do not like it, just press ignore.

If you have something to say, say it, preferably not a lie, but why should you care what we think here?

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:12 PM
One, you care enough to address the situation
Two, you have apologized and pointed out where you went wrong.
Three, You appear to have learned a lesson, imo

All this and I don't even know your whole story, but if there was a "right" way to obtain forgiveness, I think you're on the right path.

Best wishes,

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:14 PM
Props for coming clean! Pretty decent thing to do especially seeing as no one would have known otherwise.

Everybody makes mistakes and says things they don't mean. Everybody lies occassionally, those that say they don't, are liars.

A new start a fresh account! Good luck!

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:21 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

That was a decent thing to do, and I respect you for it. People make mistakes, no one is perfect. God knows I haven't apologized for some of the things I've said and done in the past, even though I regretted them terribly.
Group hug,anyone?

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:30 PM
Thanks so much for all the positive replies so far... *wipes away a tear from his eye..* I feel better already

I'm interested to know whether anyone is familiar with any of my posts, and whether if so anyone feels that I've acted like a 'div' in general? Some members (to remain nameless of course) really do seem to ignore my contributions, and I wondered if the fault rested with a perceived 'attitude problem' - or perhaps I've just read too much into it all..?

Thanks for the validation and acceptance you've all shown! Here's to a fresh start and a clean sheet...


posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:30 PM
I would not worry about it, "truthers" and "birthers" here are constantly being caught telling lies, but it does not wory them! Then there are people like Greer, Bob Lazar and Hoagland etc. are constantly being caught telling lies as well.

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:34 PM
reply to post by dereks

Oooooh Ouch! Hopefully I'm not being compared to Greer

I loved his disclosure project when first I read it, but his continued shenanigans have pi%$£d me off quite a bit to be honest.


In terms of general alien conspiracy? I love the whole moon base/ hollow moon theoretical construct, and if I was to name a favourite topic of conspiracy browsing it would be hunting out anomalies in the astronomical realms... That's just a tidbit of info on my preferences, thrown in for no particular reason!

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:43 PM
Good on ya !...Now, as official " Pay for your fibbs" authorisor I have to tell you that your bill is ...
14 + blah blah, minus guilt factor = 36 divided by the first number you thought of...oh, nearly forgot...Inflation factor + the cost of my holiday...oops I mean cost of site upkeep. Your final total is £1.45p or about $2.67 in that other money.

You have 3 weeks to pay although early payment gets you a raffle ticket for the be a spaceman for a day competition.

Good to have you back.


posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:49 PM
Damn, is the internet that serious that you feel you need to be accepted by anonymous people hiding behind screen names and avatars. Hell, I thought that was the point of being anonymous so most of you can lie your asses off and pretend to be someone of importance when most are probaly just some lonely little kid in his moms basement masturbating after every star and flag he gets.

I swear we get deeper and deeper into this matrix everyday.

Where do I sign up for this ATSer club and what are the benefits.

You kinda sound like a whiney little kids in the playground "Nobody want to talk to me"

In the words of Drll Sgt Knicket 1/38th Ech Company ..." SUCK IT UP AND DRIVE ON SOLDIER!!!!"

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posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 06:00 PM
This is the first time I have heard of your former persona or your lie. BUT for this thread, you would just be another user.

Now I know about your lie, and your name change, and that you are sorry for it, but you feel ignored by some poster (s) in particular, because you began this thread about it.

I guess in my view, it depends on the lie.

Someone like Dan Tanna and the Violent Encounter with an Alien Fishman, I would think it would be beneficial for a dude in that scenerio to never admit who he is if he comes back. Although that thread is one of my all time favorite threads, it ruined his credibility otherwise. Had he released that creativity into the short story section, he would still be posting on the Survival forum, where he had many fans.

BUT, knowing he tried to pass of the Violent Fishman encounter as real, all of his advice now becomes suspect in my book, unfortunately.

It is nice to admit to your lie, but I don't see what purpose it served. Why did you feel compelled to out yourself in the first place? Why bother to get a new account if you are just going to link yourself to the old one?

Anyway, it sounds like there are really a two or three members you feel are shunning your posts, if I read this thread correctly. You have numerous replies inthread so you are obviously not being ignored by all the members, or most of the members.

Maybe you might message these people and ask if you offended them, or what have you. That might help ease your mind.

Above all don't worry about it any longer!

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 06:10 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

"Get a life you jackwagon" (or whatever it is the faux shrink drill sergeant says to the crybaby patient in the commercial as he throws the box of tissues at him).
No seriously Fly, that was a stand-up admission and most definitely restores your priveleges (I guess, I'm a newbie in here lol). Besides that, I'm sure you were just confusing your academic credentials with your self in a parallel universe. Heck you might even have a couple PHD's over there.

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 06:14 PM
Geezer, its hardly even a lie, really.

You are actually taking your degree so at worst you were a bit quick off the mark.

Hell, i tell my wife i love her all the time! Now thats a lie!!

Oooops, dint mean that honey
(Incase she,s bought one of them porn, lie sticks for me pc)

Really, well done mate.

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 06:25 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

Don't beat yourself up over it, debates can get pretty heated on ATS and people say silly things. It takes bravery to admit your mistake and apologise so good for you for doing the right thing.

Best of luck with your degree

posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 06:32 PM
I for one, do not forgive you. You are a monster. A monster of life that needs to be put down.

Jokes... This is nothing, relax, let it go. Relax. Pick your ear softly with a nice, soft, non-sharp, cold metallic object. Good luck with your research mate.
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