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The Poison in Your Water is Fluoride

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posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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I see quite often the subject of water fluoridation considered a conspiracy theory. Yet everytime i search for this subject i get some very credible links and info that i find very hard to dismiss. One of the more important facts that jumps out to me is that most of the developed world doesn't fluoridate their water and has no difference in tooth decay compared to countries that do.

The question that i will ask here is if fluoride has no effect on tooth decay when taken internally through water, why are we being forced to ingest a poison?
And yes it is a poison, in fact a byproduct of aluminum production that the industry cant seem to get rid of except to sell it to put into our water. A not so well known fact is that if you swallow more than a pea sized bit of toothpaste, the warning on the tube states that you should immediately seek medical attention, yet a glass of water has about the same amount of fluoride in it.

I would like to share a video that delves into this subject matter with you...



Here are some facts to think about...


Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), were never tested for safety before approval. Recent independent research by scientists not associated with dental trade organizations has shown the following:

Neurotoxic and Lowers IQ
Dr. Phyllis Mullenix published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage to the brain occured and the behavior patterns of the animals was adversely effected. The toxic effects of fluoride on the central nervous system was subsequently confirmed by previously-classified government research. Two new epidemiological studies which tend to confirm fluoride's neurotoxic effects on the brain have shown that children exposed to higher levels of fluoride had lower IQs.
A study published in Brain Research shows that rats drinking only 1 part per million fluoride (NaF) in water had histologic lesions in their brain similar to Alzheimer's disease and dementia.

Causes Cancer
The Department of Health in New Jersey found that bone cancer in male children was between two and seven times greater in areas where water was fluoridated. A new study has shown that fluoridation of water is linked to uterine cancer deaths.

Changes Bone Structure and Strength
Fluoride gradually builds up in the bones and causes adverse changes to the bone structure. Quite a few studies have shown that fluoridation leads to increases in hip fractures.

Causes Birth Defects and Perinatal Deaths
Perinatal deaths in a fluoridated area was 15% higher than in neighboring non-fluoridated areas. Chile banned fluoridation because of research by the world-reknowned researcher, Dr Albert Schatz, which showed a link to infant deaths due to fluoridation.

Proven Ineffective
Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects. All of the recent large-scale studies of water fluoridation have shown that there are no positive effects. That is why countries without fluoridation have shown an equal improvement in dental health as those with fluoridation.

Impairs Immune System
Independent research has shown that fluoride impairs the functioning of the immune system. In the United States, where toxic fluoride compounds are regularly added to water and given to children since the 1960s and 1970s, we are beginning to see an overwhelming number of people of that generation who are developing chronic immune system disorders.

Causes Initial Stages of Skeletal Fluorosis
Fluoride can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels. Chronic, long-term exposure to levels of fluoride commonly found in water and food in the U.S. can cause the beginning stages of skeletal fluorosis.

Fluoride Causes Osteoarthritis
In a study published in Rhuematology International in 2001, researchers found a link between fluoride exposure and the development of osteoarthritis. The level of exposure that caused osteoarthritis is common in the United States.

Causes Permanent Disfigurement of the Teeth in Many Children
A very large and increasing number of children are experiencing dental fluorosis which is a permanent adverse structural change to the teeth.

Inhibits Key Enzymes
As fluoride builds up in different parts of the body over decades it can disrupt the actions of many key enzymes. This fact has been known for a long time.

Supresses Thyroid Function
Fluoride was given at low levels during the early to mid 20th century as an effective way of supressing thyroid function and treating hyperthyroidism. Articles and research can be found on the Thyroid web page.

Causes Large Numbers of Acute Poisonings
Fluoride is an extremely poisonous substances at exceptionally low doses and has caused a large number of acute poisonings. This is why a poison warning is now required on fluoridated toothpastes sold in the U.S.

Unethical
Fluoridation amounts to forced medication of the water supply. Such practices demonstrate a complete lack of ethics on the part of its promoters. Studies as early the 1930s showed extreme hazards to man and the environment due to fluoride dumping and exposure. Companies and organizations involved used the promotion of "fluoridation" as a way to avoid lawsuits due to dumping toxic wastes and later for economic gain.

Banned in Many Countries
Fluoridation is not legal or not used in the overwhelming number of countries including industrialized countries.




posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Its quite alright i proffer vodka anyway.
edit on 18-11-2010 by Socratic Method because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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Could you list the names of all countries that have banned flouride use in water or dental products? Nice thread btw, S&F



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by ItsTheONE1111
Could you list the names of all countries that have banned flouride use in water or dental products? Nice thread btw, S&F



China BANNED: "not allowed"

Austria REJECTED: "toxic fluorides" NOT added

Belgium REJECTED: encourages self-determination – those who want fluoride should get it themselves.

Finland STOPPED: "...do not favor or recommend fluoridation of drinking water. There are better ways of providing the fluoride our teeth need.

Germany STOPPED:

Denmark REJECTED: "...toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Denmark."

Norway REJECTED: "...drinking water should not be fluoridated"

Sweden BANNED: "not allowed". No safety data available!

The Netherlands Inevitably, whenever there is a court decision against fluoridation, the dental lobby pushes to have the judgement overturned on a technicality or they try to get the laws changed to legalize it. Their tactics didn't work in the vast majority of Europe.

Hungary STOPPED: for technical reasons in the '60s. However, despite technological advances, Hungary remains unfluoridated.

Japan REJECTED: "...may cause health problems...." The 0.8 -1.5 mg regulated level is for calcium-fluoride, not the hazardous waste by-product which is added with artificial fluoridation.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 11:15 PM
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One of the more important facts that jumps out to me is that most of the developed world doesn't fluoridate their water and has no difference in tooth decay compared to countries that do.


Correlation does not mean causation, it's proven effective for it's designed usage. (Random links further down)


Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), were never tested for safety before approval.


Tested for safety? They manufacture it, I'd imagine they know what's in it. Regardless, have a source for the claim?


Dr. Phyllis Mullenix published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels...


Moderate levels? The rats in the study (Again, I'd like a link) were given 75 to 125 PPM of fluoride, that's not "moderate", and was "debunked" many years ago. (It's rather old, Gary M. Whitford The metabolism and toxicology of fluoride")


Causes Cancer


Links? The National Cancer Institute does not agree with this claim, nor does any reputable source that you would think want to help eliminate cancer.


The Department of Health in New Jersey found that bone cancer


Can't find the study on their site


Changes Bone Structure and Strength


Source for claims? Anyways:


The weight of scientific evidence does not supply an adequate basis for altering public health policy regarding fluoridation because of bone health concerns. A number of investigations have studied the effects on bone structure of individuals residing in communities with optimal and higher than optimal concentrations of fluoride in the drinking water. These studies have focused on whether there exists a possible link between fluoride and bone fractures. In addition, the role of fluoride in strengthening bone and preventing fractures has been investigated. Lastly, the possible association between fluoride and bone cancer has been studied.

Water Fluoridation Has No Significant Impact on Bone Mineral Density In 1991, a workshop, co-sponsored by the National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases and the National Institute of Dental Research, addressed the potential relationship of hip fracture and bone health in humans to fluoride exposure from drinking water. Meeting at the National Institutes of Health, researchers examined historic and contemporary research on fluoride exposure and bone health. At that time, participants concluded there was no basis for altering current public health policy regarding current guidelines for levels of fluoride in drinking water. Recommendations were made regarding additional research in several areas.116

In 1993, two studies were published demonstrating that exposure to fluoridated water does not contribute to an increased risk for hip fractures. One study looked at the risk of hip fractures in residents of two similar communities in Alberta, Canada.117 In this study, researchers compared a city with fluoridated drinking water optimally adjusted to 1 ppm to a city whose residents drank water containing naturally occurring fluoride at a concentration of only 0.3 ppm. No significant difference was observed in the overall hip fracture hospitalization rates for residents of both cities. "These findings suggest that fluoridation of drinking water has no impact, neither beneficial nor deleterious, on the risk of hip fracture."117

The second study examined the incidence of hip fracture rates before and after water fluoridation in Rochester, Minnesota.118 Researchers compared the hip fracture rates of men and women aged 50 and older from 1950 to 1959 (before the city's water supply was fluoridated in 1960) with the ten-year period after fluoridation. Their findings showed that hip fracture rates had decreased, and that the decrease began before fluoridation was introduced, and then continued. These data demonstrate no increase in the risk of hip fracture associated with fluoridation of the public water supply in Rochester, Minnesota.

Prior to 1993, the lead author of the 1993 Minnesota study had authored two earlier fluoridation-hip fracture studies showing a very slight increase in fracture risk in fluoridated communities.123, 124 The 1990 study examined the regional variation within the United States in the incidence of hip fracture in women aged 65 and over. The analysis of hip fracture incidence data at the county level demonstrated a strong pattern of regional variation among women, with a band of increased risk in the southern United States. The results of the analysis suggested that soft and fluoridated water, poverty, reduced sunlight exposure and rural location all increased the risk of hip fracture. In the summary, the author stated that no presently recognized factor or factors adequately explained the geographic variation.123 The second study, published in 1992, was a national ecologic study of the association between water fluoridation and hip fractures in women and men aged 65 and over. (In ecological studies, groups of people are studied instead of individuals.) The study reported a small positive ecologic association between fluoridation of public water supplies and the incidence of hip fracture among the aged. The authors stated that this observation did not yet provide a firm platform for health policy, but stated further research was warranted.124

In 1997, the lead author of the 1993 Minnesota study and the two studies noted in the preceding paragraph, issued a statement which concluded: "To my knowledge, no study has demonstrated that the introduction of fluoride to the public water supplies has increased the risk of (hip) fracture, let alone a doubling of the risk."125

An ecological study conducted in eastern Germany compared the incidence of hip fractures for adults living in Chemnitz (optimally fluoridated) and Halle (fluoride-deficient). The results suggested the consumption of optimally fluoridated water reduced the incidence of hip fractures in elderly individuals, especially women over 84 years of age.122

According to generally accepted scientific knowledge, the ingestion of optimally fluoridated water does not have an adverse effect on bone health.116-120, 122 Exposure to fluoride at levels considered optimal for the prevention of dental decay appears to have no significant impact on bone mineral density.126


Fluoride Facts PDF


Quite a few studies have shown that fluoridation leads to increases in hip fractures.


Source?


Causes Birth Defects and Perinatal Deaths


I'd ask for a source but it's just getting repetitive, I'll just start skipping some claims...


Proven Ineffective


- Fluoride promotes the "healing" of cavities
- Fluoride increases the resistance of the teeth to acid demineralization
- Fluoride interferes with the function of the germs in plaque
- Fluoride speeds up the formation of the internal structure of the adult teeth after they have begun to erupt.
- Fluoride given to children affects the shape of the teeth themselves.

Source

Random links:

Dental Health and Fluoride treatment
How
It
Works
ADA Fluoridation Resources


Causes Initial Stages of Skeletal Fluorosis


Misleading, I doubt any cases have been reported with water fluoridation being the culprit. Ironically though, the most common cause of this is naturally occurring fluoride from water sources in India. (Skeletal Fluorosis). Other causes aren't related to water fluoridation but inhalation of different forms of fluoride being inhaled in dust and fumes in various industries.


A very large and increasing number of children are experiencing dental fluorosis which is a permanent adverse structural change to the teeth.


Probably being misrepresented. Are they experience serious effects or just minor white "spots"? Regardless, will only occur when enamel is forming, which is usually under the age of six.


Inhibits Key Enzymes...


I'm starting to realize this was copy and pasted from somewhere.


An optimal amount of fluoride will not have any effect, this has also been known for a long time.


Fluoride is an extremely poisonous substances at exceptionally low doses and has caused a large number of acute poisonings.


What's a "low dose", how is it "extremely poisonous" when being added at proper levels in water and what are these "acute poisonings" and how did they happen? Are people eating tooth paste or is a child consuming way too many fluoride tablets etc.


Unethical - Fluoridation amounts to forced medication of the water supply


The only claim that doesn't rely on pseudoscience.


I think it's more of a "if it's been demonstrated to work and is not harmful in proper application, why would you NOT use it?" type question myself.


Banned in Many Countries


Source?



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Sorry for the double post, but...


Their tactics didn't work in the vast majority of Europe.


Some European countries, and India and Japan if I recall, use fluoride in their salt as a substitute.


Salt fluoridation was introduced iin Switzerland in 1955 and it is now estimated that fluoridated salt is available to nearly 200 million people worldwide, including Europe, Central and South America and the Caribbean.

It is the preferred method of fluoridation on mainland Europe and is widely available in France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Spain, Czech Republic and Slovakia.


National Fluoride Information Centre
edit on 18-11-2010 by Whyhi because: Grammatical error



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 05:51 AM
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Apologies for the late reply, but i had a very hungry baby to attend to most of today


you raise some valid points, most of which i can help you with by just doing some simply googling (you should try this some time)




Tested for safety? They manufacture it, I'd imagine they know what's in it. Regardless, have a source for the claim?


They manufacture Asbestos and know what is in it, yet it has been proven to be bad for you after lots of people got sick from it and died. i guess the testing on fluoride was done around the same time they declared asbestos to be safe for home insulation.


Moderate levels? The rats in the study (Again, I'd like a link) were given 75 to 125 PPM of fluoride, that's not "moderate", and was "debunked" many years ago. (It's rather old, Gary M. Whitford The metabolism and toxicology of fluoride")


hmm lets see, Gary M. Whitford is a dentist, and the study was done by Dr. Phyllis J. Mullenix with a Ph.D. in pharmacology and toxicology,

BTW, is that the same Gary M. Whitford that got busted for being payed by colgate??

As far as the rats were concerned...


Establishing a threshold dose for effects on the CNS, in rats or humans, was not the intent of this initial investigation. Yet, one fact relevant to human exposure emerged quite clear. When rats consumed 75-125 ppm and humans 5-10 ppm fluoride in their respective drinking waters, the result was equivalent ranges of plasma fluoride levels. This range is observed with some treatments for osteoporosis, and it is exceeded ten times over, one hour after children receive topical applications of some dental fluoride gels. Thus, humans are being exposed to levels of fluoride we know alters behavior in rats.



www.fluoridealert.org...


The National Cancer Institute does not agree with this claim, nor does any reputable source that you would think want to help eliminate cancer.


hmm lets see what the American Cancer Society has to say about fluoride...


More than 60 years after fluoride was first added to drinking water in some parts of the United States, there is still controversy about the possible health effects of drinking water fluoridation.

Some of the controversy concerning the possible link stems from a study of lab animals reported by the US National Toxicology Program in 1990. The researchers found "equivocal" (uncertain) evidence of cancer-causing potential of fluoridated drinking water in male rats.

While they noted that the studies "have shown no consistent tendency for people living in areas with high concentrations of fluoride in the water to have higher cancer rates than those living in areas with low concentrations," they also noted that the evidence was inadequate to draw conclusions one way or the other.

Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride" in 1993. Its conclusion was that "the available laboratory data are insufficient to demonstrate a carcinogenic effect of fluoride in animals." They also concluded that "the weight of the evidence from the epidemiological [population-based] studies completed to date does not support the hypothesis of an association between fluoride exposure and increased cancer risk in humans." The report recommended that additional well-designed studies be done to look at the possible link to cancers, especially osteosarcomas.


and on their closing paragraph...


The general consensus among the reviews done to date is that there is no strong evidence of a link between water fluoridation and cancer. However, these reviews were all done before the partial results of the Harvard study were published in 2006. Several of the reviews noted that further studies, including the full results of the Harvard study, are needed to clarify the possible link.


www.cancer.org...

in another words, they are sitting on the fence on this issue requiring more extensive testing to be done. so i doubt there is any conclusive evidence that it is safe.


Can't find the study on their site


it was a 1992 study so i doubt they had a website back then, but you can google this to find the articles...

The Department of Health in New Jersey fluoride bone cancer


- Fluoride promotes the "healing" of cavities
- Fluoride increases the resistance of the teeth to acid demineralization
- Fluoride interferes with the function of the germs in plaque
- Fluoride speeds up the formation of the internal structure of the adult teeth after they have begun to erupt.
- Fluoride given to children affects the shape of the teeth themselves.


I am not saying that fluoride on your toothbrush is bad for you, what i question is wether drinking it is really going to help your teeth.

Do you drink your sun tan lotion so you dont get a sunburn???


What's a "low dose", how is it "extremely poisonous" when being added at proper levels in water and what are these "acute poisonings" and how did they happen? Are people eating tooth paste or is a child consuming way too many fluoride tablets etc.


when it is in your water, how do you regulate proper levels when some people drink more water than others?
If a glass of tap water contains the same amount of fluoride that your toothpaste tube says to get medical attention, how will that affect people who drink 4-5 glasses a day? shouldnt they have the right to choose how much fluoride they ingest? or are you a proponent of mass medication regardless if people need it or not?


I think it's more of a "if it's been demonstrated to work and is not harmful in proper application, why would you NOT use it?" type question myself.


you know, the fellow who put lead into gasoline probably felt the same way, he thought it was not harmful as well..


Banned in Many Countries. Source?


heres a pdf

www.actionpa.org...

i will search for more of your questions tomorrow (nearly midnight here)

you are welcome to use google yourself though



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 08:06 AM
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Disinformation operative? I don't think you were being ironic with that title.



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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well ..if you tont think fluoride is a poison...go ask a random Doctor in your area...

same with aspartame...the answer you get is "ehm..*gulp* ye ..i really dont know why its allowed to put that in there"



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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I've switched to non-flouride toothpaste - but how can I get away from fluoride? I'm sure it's in all sodas, juices, etc - as they are mixed majorly with water.

Does 1 gallon bottles of distilled water from the store contain fluoride?



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Here in Costa Rica they don't add it to the water but they do add it to the salt and is a requirement by law. So basically you cannot escape it, all food has it in. At least when it is in the water you can buy bottled water.



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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That's a shame to hear that is in salt - as almost everything you are able to buy is processed with some salt.

This is a local company, and there salt is awesome. I highly doubt it's flourinated, as they are going for the whole 'organic' theme and they mine their salt locally. You can see the the trace minerals in it still. My girlfriend and I did a blind test compared to normal salt and it is AMAZINGLY better. A bit sweet, but still very much SALT.\

www.realsalt.com...

(just for anyone interested)



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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Hide in plain sight much???

lol.... anyone who listens to what you have to say should have their head examined.

Jaden



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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This is a very important topic to a lot of people and gets a S&F from us here. We live in Ontario Canada and a fairly large city here (Waterloo) just voted fluoride out of the city water supply. This made quite a bit of a stir in the news for this part of the county.

We just last week purchased a Reverse Osmosis filter system to be installed in the next month or so. It was not too expensive considering what it does and it does it very well (Micron filtering) It will supply up to 50 gallons of drinking/cooking water per day. The filters are good for one year and they cost $30.00 total to replace.

We are already using fluoride free toothpaste and can't wait for the water system to be installed. If you google Reverse Osmosis you will see it removes a lot of real nasty stuff, pretty well everything but the water itself.

For comparison this system cost us $800.00 Canadian installed and ready to go. We figure its paid for in about 1.5 years or so compared to buying pure bottled water.

Great post and lots of very good information in the OP.

Regards, I Winder



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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Denmark REJECTED: "...toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Denmark."


Thats true, but we get it in toothpaste instead called Fluor to help prevent tooth and gum disease (gingivitis)



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 11:00 AM
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Canadians vote against fluoridated water supplies.

About time I say , now if we can just get rid of it in the rest of Canada.

And to all those studies for the use of fluoride in the water, well I just wonder who was really backing those studies...hmmmmm , I can guess ,can you?





Residents in Waterloo, Ontario have voted to stop adding fluoride to water supplies.

The decision, which was announced on Tuesday, has been welcomed by anti-fluoride campaigners; however, the news has shocked dentists and the incoming head of the Ontario Dental Association has condemned the decision. Dr Harry Hoediono has criticised the decision, saying that people are unaware of the dental health benefits of fluoride and are voting to stop fluoridation based on flimsy evidence they have downloaded from the internet. Dr Hoediono said that it was a shame that such an important decision could be made by a small group of people who perhaps do not have the necessary knowledge to make an informed decision.

Campaigners against fluoride believe that adding fluoride to the water supply is tantamount to poisoning and are lobbying for fluoridation to be stopped all over Canada. Opponents of fluoride claim the chemical is illegal, unnecessary and dangerous; campaigners believe fluoride contributes to health conditions, including increased risk of cancer, thyroid disease and arthritis.










www.cosmeticdentistryguide.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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Here's a related piece to browse:


The Hidden Agenda... The Fluoride Deception




Learn about the Hidden Agenda behind the use of Fluoride, who's behind it and the real purpose behind its use. Absolutely shocking information! ~ Documentary

Submitted by SadInAmerica on Mon, 01/26/2009 - 11:13pm.


source: www.knowthelies.com...



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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They don't put fluoride in the water in Silicon Valley.
edit on 19-11-2010 by budjones because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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Coalition of U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Unions

August 5, 2005

RE: Bone Cancer-Fluoride Link

Hon. Stephen L. Johnson, Administrator

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Dear Administrator Johnson:

We, the undersigned representatives of a majority (eleven) of EPA’s employee unions, are requesting that you direct the Office of Water to issue an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking setting the maximum contaminant level goal for fluoride at zero, in accordance with Agency policy for all likely or known human carcinogens. Our request is based on the overall weight of the evidence supporting the classification of fluoride as a human carcinogen, including new information from Harvard on the link between fluoride in drinking water and osteosarcoma in boys that was conveyed to you in a meeting with union officials on May 4, 2005.

nteu280.org...



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