Are you prepared for the Oil crash and the end of our current way of life?, page 3
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reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:38 AM by Banjamin Jefferson Madiso
Peak oil is a myth. Look it up. So is overpopulation, and a shortage of food. Even if peak oil was a reality, by the time crude and the oil from shale, coal and other sources actually does get very scarce, we will have developed substitutes.

Look up thorium reactors on google and youtube.
Look up hydrogen fuel cells.
Look up cold fusion.


The system under which commerce functions in this realm places a bargaining advantage on those who would possess or control the availability of a product that is in wide demand. Gasoline, plastics, fertilizers, and many other products derived from crude oil are priced arbitrarily, the price of a gallon of gasoline is not neccessarily related to it's cost of production and distribution. We have seen evidence of this by the way gas prices have been and still are manipulated by the big oil corporations.

Control the availability of a widely popular commodity, and the most advantageous utilization of that position, is to give the public the impression that the product is difficult to get to, difficult to move, difficult to refine, or there is not much of it left, so it is therefore a rarity. All of those factors, true or false, serve the producer in creating an impression that his product requires extraordinary efforts, training, intelligence, experience, to be delivered to the customer.

If you knew that vast reserves of oil had long ago been located, and that refineries were not being built intentionally, so that surplusses could not occur, so as to give the ILLUSION that the producers are scrambling to keep the supply up with the public demand, so as to be able to set prices at "what the market will bear", meaning what those who desire it will pay for it...if you knew all of that, if you knew that you could buy gasoline for about $1.30 a gallon and the oil companies and gas stations would still profit handsomely, instead of disgustingly, would you still pay $3.20 per gallon???

I don't think you would...I wouldn't.

But maybe you see how dangerous it is to allow corporations to operate without regulatory oversight. I think if you look at this country since Reagan and the mass deregulation era, you will see how the corporate base consolidated its control over so many products that used to be readily available, grown, built, and manufactured in farms and factories right here in the USA, but are now produced by the cheap labor of third world countries for pennies on the dollar compared to the cost of production in the US. So they send the manufacturing jobs overseas, neglect to replace those jobs with anything adequate, so as to render a segment of the workforce, out of the workforce, then they ship the cheaper goods now being produced overseas, back over here to sell to the unemployed...

How long before cheap crappy contaminated products stamped Made In The USA are filling the shelves of the Chinese Walmarts?

Kill the Banks and the Corporations! End Admiralty! End the Fed and DEMAND that Congress end the State of Emergency, (Bankruptcy) that this nation has been operating under since June 5, 1933!
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reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:38 AM by Section69
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So true. Hemp would fix a lot of problems. Hemp is one of the only plants I am aware of that when turned into protein, contains almost all of the Amino acids (usually only obtainable through meat). This means if you used Hemp as a replacement for corn, most of the processed food would be healthy, it wouldn't deplete the soil, and it would be a lot cheaper.

Hemp would destroy our current economy because modern life would be so cheap if we used hemp. Why do you think such a benign plant is so opposed by the powers of the world. It's only legal in a few countries. It's just a plant. Hemp frees the regular person from the horrible profit grabbing of everyday life.


reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:42 AM by Danbones
reply to post by Project-Sign



SO WHERE DO YOU GET LIFE 5 MILES DOWN?

Reported in ScienceDaily, researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm have managed to prove that fossils from animals and plants are not necessary for crude oil and natural gas to be generated. The findings are revolutionary since this means, on the one hand, that it will be much easier to find these sources of energy and, on the other hand, that they can be found all over the globe.

"Using our research we can even say where oil could be found in Sweden," says Vladimir Kutcherov, a professor at the Division of Energy Technology at KTH.

Together with two research colleagues, Vladimir Kutcherov has simulated the process involving pressure and heat that occurs naturally in the inner layers of the earth, the process that generates hydrocarbon, the primary component in oil and natural gas.
According to Vladimir Kutcherov, the findings are a clear indication that the oil supply is not about to end, which researchers and experts in the field have long feared.


heck where are you getting your INFO? al gore?
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reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:46 AM by Section69
reply to post by WashingtonGrewHemp



Me too! I hope Washington continues to be...the evergreen state.


reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:52 AM by Project-Sign
reply to post by starless and bible black





It is apparent that you buy the dinosaur spiel handed out in schools and by the media and of course the oil companies?



Typically ignorant nonsense.

Fossil fuels are mostly made up of prehistoric fossilised plants, fossilised sea plankton and some fossilised animal remains too.

Please, learn something about the topic before you add to the discussion.
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reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:52 AM by Danbones
reply to post by Section69



yeh, hemp fuel
"man there is a hole in your muffler...."
"yeah mon, I'm the catalytic converter."
the same cartels the run oil run the dope too
thats why afghanistan is about pipelines and opium.

start em out cheap till they are hooked, and then create the scarcity, and then drive up the price.
its the same idea: scarcity and illegality make the price go up
they know the average westerner has the science education of a 12 year oold.

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reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 03:56 AM by etcorngods
reply to post by Project-Sign



How much oil there is, and where is it, has always been a highly contested thing. My great grandfather discovered the first oil in Oklahoma in the early 1900's. He was a salesman for the Brown Shoe Company (Buster Brown Lived in a Shoe ..). He was the craziest man in OK. Everyone, but him, knew there was no oil in Oklahoma.

Then he struck it big, the Siminole Oil Fields.

I was on the Board of Directors of two oil companies for about 20 years, and found out what a black art finding oil is -- largely a guessing game. You find oil, drill near by, you might find it there too.

My guess is, oil is a self replenishing resource. Don't believe all that folk lore about tiny animals decaying into oil. But like most things in the Future, can't be sure. The future is a place that no living person has been.


reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 04:02 AM by Project-Sign
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That's an interesting story. He was 'crazy' but filthy rich I'd imagine.

I agree, the oil reserve figures are flaky to say the least. Some underestimate the reserves, some vastly overestimate them, just depends on who's report you read.

For now I don't agree with you on the abiotic oil theory, I just don't see enough evidence of it. Wishful thinking in my view, but one can hope, I'd be as delighted as anyone to find that oil was renewable.



reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 04:11 AM by Project-Sign
reply to post by mashedpotatoes



Please, don't compare this to those useless 'prediction' threads. So far, overwhelming evidence points to Oil being a non-renewable resource. This means, eventually it is going to run out. Be that soon or further down the road, it's impossible to say. That's not fearmongering, it's truth. I realise some people don't want to hear it, but please refrain from personal insults.


reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 04:12 AM by Pershing1973
reply to post by NonKonphormist



Maybe but in Europe we are still paying farmers to destroy crops and tip milk down the drain as there is a massive oversupply of food. Bio-fuels are only part of the solution for the future, but if managed better they could be an important contribution.


reply posted on 19-11-2010 @ 04:17 AM by etcorngods
Originally posted by Project-Sign
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Please, don't compare this to those useless 'prediction' threads. So far, overwhelming evidence points to Oil being a non-renewable resource. This means, eventually it is going to run out. Be that soon or further down the road, it's impossible to say. That's not fearmongering, it's truth. I realise some people don't want to hear it, but please refrain from personal insults.


I am not aware of the "overwhelming evidence points to Oil being a non-renewable resource". If it is produced deep in the Earth, how would you get "evidence". I am aware of oil fields which were thought to be "out of oil", mysteriously coming alive.
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