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Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
"In the first instant after death, it is of no consequence whether in life we were a good practitioner and accumulated much merit or were an inferior practitioner and accumulated negativities. At this precise moment, regardless of whether we have accumulated merit or not during our life, we can recognize our essential nature and liberate ourselves from samsara....
"...Here the Sutra concept of cause and effect no longer obtains. Efforts we made in our past life make no difference. This is the moment to apply the "path of force." If in this moment we have the strong force of our practice, we can quickly gain enlightenment."
Beyond Death: The Gnostic Book of the Dead
"The last thought of the dying one is definitive. If that dying person does not want to comeback, if he does not want to return, he can escape and not return, but for this you cannot have really bad Karma. There are people that have such hard Karma because of their perversities, that naturally they will have to come back.
"The worst part is that the majority of people will have to descend. Instead of being reborn and returning to this world, they will have to transfer their existences, whether they want to or not, to the Infernal Worlds, and unfortunately this is the case for the majority of people."
DZOGCHEN MEDITATION FOR DYING, AFTER-DEATH AND REBIRTH
"But if you are not a practitioner, these clear lights will flash by you in less than a moment, like distant flashes of lightening on the dark horizon at midnight. Thus, this Second Bardo, the Bardo of the Clear Light of Reality, will pass you by. You return from the archetypal world to the world of formation that is the domain of your own personal karma."
COMMENTARY TO THE BONPO BOOK OF THE DEAD
"However, it is likely that the experience of the Clear Light after death will occur so rapidly, almost instantaneously like a flash of lightning, that the individual will fail to recognize it unless one has done practice during one's life time, including both Dzogchen and Tantric practice. So, not every deceased consciousness will experience this Bardo of the Clear Light."
Originally posted by theUNKNOWNawaits
Thanks for the books and information. I will have to read up on that as from what you summed up sounded agreeable to me.
Originally posted by letmeDANz
good thought.. the more u think the more you will discover
Originally posted by theUNKNOWNawaits
reply to post by schitzoandro
Hmm, I have never seen that movie before. I looked it up on imdb.com and it sounds intriguing, Ill have to watch it sometime. I also believe that we are able to be close to those that we are close to in this life. I also think there may be a possibility that in the next life we are reincarnated with the same people, yet in different roles. I think that is a maybe. Interesting you came to this through your dreams. Can you tell us some of these dreams at all? It is definitely not off subject and I find it extremely interesting.
reply to post by ChaosMagician
I also feel when I am sad a bit of an old soul and when I am happy, young at heart. Can you share some of the dreams you are talking about?
On the cloning subject, perhaps when one clones oneself, no soul is in that body immediately. So if you died soon enough you could be able to reincarnate into that cloned body. Maybe??? Who knows though, as this is all hypothetical. As for our memories the person I think would not have them from their previous life, just like it is now with our regular bodies (not cloned ones).
I wish though that we would be able to access past lives memories, as life would seem so easier. Though I guess that is the point not to make it easier.
Originally posted by theUNKNOWNawaits
reply to post by Tayesin
Wow, another reference to the movie What Dreams May Come. I definitely got to watch this now.
I do agree that ghosts are those that have not moved on for some reason.
So you work with them, how are you able to do your job, making them understand and move on?
I am glad that you think the answer to the question of my thread is true. How did you come to this belief that it is true?
It definitely makes sense why the Egyptians and Tibetans would do that, yet how did they come to this, without some outside help? Were they just that smarter than us or what?
Yes your post did help and I look forward to your reply on this post. Thanks in advance!
Originally posted by theUNKNOWNawaits
reply to post by ChaosMagician
Thanks for sharing those, they were very interesting. So do you think those dreams were about past and/or future lives you had? I am assuming that the characters in the dreams/memories were not people you know/knew in this life. Correct me if I am wrong here. I know you say you generally know the time period, could you tell us what the time periods were for the dreams/memories you just shared with us.
For the first dream do you think you were in some sort of afterlife? For the second dream do you think it was a past or future life, where you lived underground? And for the third dream do you think this sense of doom and place you were in, could be the future for us?
If you remember the thing you forgot to say, post it as the ones you did post were extremely interesting.
Thanks in advance!
reply to post by Tayesin
Wow, thank you for sharing with how you work with them. It was also very interesting. How long have you been working with them and did just seeing them with your physical eyes when you were young get you into it? It's amazing that you can remember something you did before you were four, though if it is as big as yours, I guess I would have remembered it too.
I totally agree with you that the more we progress further in today's standards, the farther away we are going from knowing about ourselves, existence, the life cycle, and real nature. It is extremely sad, as the things we are progressing towards are a lot less important than the ones that we seem to be running away from.