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Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by jfj123
As I've already mentioned numerous times in this thread, and I'm getting tired of repeating myself, just because a system isn't perfect doesn't mean it shouldn't be in place.
Many people get sent to jail and upon release re-offend, so by your reasoning we shouldn't send them there in the first place because it's not a 100% effective method?
What about body armour? It's not proven to save lifes in 100% of cases so should we just not bother with it all?
It's a weak argument mate.
If one in 5 women were being subjected to a vaginal search on a daily basis without cause for consent then I'd understand where you are coming from.
However, a random physical pat down is nothing similiar in the slightest
and if you have nothing to hide then I see no objection.
As far as going through the scanners is concerned, same principle; if you have nothing to hide then whats the issue?
Do you really believe the US Government is "storing" naked images of its citizens so creeps can jerk off to them?
Pat down searches and scanners are their for YOUR protection,
Originally posted by Death_Kron
Do you really believe the US Government is "storing" naked images of its citizens so creeps can jerk off to them?
Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by jfj123
I'd like to give you a physical pat down right now, just to see your reaction
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by jfj123
I'd like to give you a physical pat down right now, just to see your reaction
Disgusting.
You should be ashamed for saying such a thing.
*Let me guess, now that you've been called on it you will pretend you were 'just joking' and expect us to believe you?
Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by jfj123
Once again your just spouting political mumbo jumbo
and personal thoughts about your so called rights being removed and well done, now your comparing pat down searches to the Nazi's, brilliant!
You seem to miss a few fundamental things in your "argument"; ceramic knifes are not detected by dog sniffers, bomb detection devices or scanners.
Two; random physical searches act as a deterrent and if that prevents even one, yep just one, life being saved then I'm all for it.
I'd like to give you a physical pat down right now, just to see your reaction
Assault is a crime of violence against another person. In some jurisdictions, including Australia and New Zealand, as well as the USA, assault refers to an act that causes another to apprehend an immediate harmful contact, whereas the actual contact itself is called "battery." The word "apprehend" doesn't equate with fear. While fear encompasses apprehension, a victim can be apprehensive of unwanted contact, yet still not be in fear of it. For example, most people are apprehensive of a cat scratch, but they may not be fearful of such an event. A distinction must be made between the tort of assault, which is a civil matter, and criminal assault, for which the state will prosecute a wrongdoer. Within the arena of criminal law, an assault can result from an attempted battery. Since some attempted batteries might theoretically occur when the victim is sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise unaware of the threat, criminal battery can occur even when no threat is perceived by the victim. With the tort of assault, in contrast, a perceived threat by the victim is paramount.[1]
Originally posted by Death_Kron
Nope, I'm not joking. I would also like to give you a pat down right now, just so you could see the fuss your making about nothing...
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Please stop voicing your desire to assault ATS members.
You say you are serious and that is disturbing.
*If you criminally assault people you should expect them to defend themselves and/or press charges. I suppose that would be educational, along with the jail time - which would give you time to contemplate whether or not the act you perpetrated was worth it.
Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by jfj123
Your becoming incredibly boring, incredibly quickly.
American common law has defined assault as an attempt to commit a battery.
Assault is typically treated as a misdemeanor and not as a felony (unless it involves a law enforcement officer). The more serious crime of aggravated assault is treated as a felony.
Four elements were required at common law:
1. The apparent, present ability to carry out;
2. An unlawful attempt;
3. To commit a violent injury;
4. Upon another.
Simple assault can be distinguished without the intent of injury upon another person. The violation of one's personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate can be simple assault.
So no, legally it would not be assault.
Whether you believe that you would "put me in hospital" is down to subjective interpretation but with your narrow minded views and reluctance to listen to anyones opinion who has a different view than yours I'd welcome you to try.
Once again, how many times do I have to say this, even if a ceramic knife isn't going to pierce a hardened cockpit does that mean it's okay for it to be in the possession of a person on a plane who intends to use it to harm others?
Maybe a ceramic knife isn't going to down a plane, but that makes it acceptable not to check for such weapons and risk some nutjob passing though security and slitting a few peoples throats?
Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Death_Kron
You are not legally allowed to walk up to anyone and begin running your hands over their body.
I have screencaptured your posts in case you decide to edit out your expression of desire to assault myself and jfj.
Originally posted by jfj123
You on the other hand, I find quite amusing
For the record, in The United States of America
American common law has defined assault as an attempt to commit a battery.
Assault is typically treated as a misdemeanor and not as a felony (unless it involves a law enforcement officer). The more serious crime of aggravated assault is treated as a felony.
Four elements were required at common law:
1. The apparent, present ability to carry out;
2. An unlawful attempt;
3. To commit a violent injury;
4. Upon another.
Simple assault can be distinguished without the intent of injury upon another person. The violation of one's personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate can be simple assault.
So yes, you'd be committing assault by attempting to grab me without my permission.
So no, legally it would not be assault.
I'm glad I amuse someone, I've been called a little boring recently so your interest in me has boosted my ego, albeit ever so slightly.
Please see above bolded text, a physical pat down is not intended to cause injury so it wouldn't be classed as assault.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Death_Kron
You are not legally allowed to walk up to anyone and begin running your hands over their body.
I have screencaptured your posts in case you decide to edit out your expression of desire to assault myself and jfj.
Originally posted by jfj123
By the way, nice to see someone who actually gets what is going on
Originally posted by WhatTheory
The entire method and thinking of the TSA screening process is BS.
I am a US citizen and I don't need to be treated like a criminal just because I want to take a flight. The TSA rules are assuming that I am a terrorist so I must be scanned, searched and groped. Why is the Federal Government involved to begin with? Airlines are private businesses and should be able to provide their own security.
If the TSA wants to search me and my belongings then they must have probable cause and a warrant. We don't give up our rights just because we would like to take a plane ride.
We should conduct ourselves more like Israel regarding the airports. There is no bigger target than Israel and even they don't have these retarded TSA rules. Profiling is the answer. Not racial profiling but criminal profiling. That makes the most sense.
Originally posted by Death_Kron
Please see above bolded text, a physical pat down is not intended to cause injury so it wouldn't be classed as assault.
Simple assault can be distinguished without the intent of injury upon another person. The violation of one's personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate can be simple assault.