Rick Perry open to sending the US military into Mexico

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Most of the arguments I've heard against the Canadian system from the American side center mainly on how expensive and unreliable it is.

Well, look at the American system! We pay all this money and if we even get hurt or sick, what do the doctors say? They tell us to call the insurance companies and HAGGLE with them! # that. I don't pay them money to have to argue with them every time they refuse to cover something. Hell, most insurance companies won't even cover hearing aids!

It all comes down to how many Americans wish to keep their bull# way of life by suppressing anyone that even suggests the concept of nationalized health care.

At least we know that the fright-wing brainwashing works.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


You've never been there, hence you know nothing about it!

This is why there are so many misunderstandings in our world nowadays. This is why Texas tells people not to mess with it but it enjoys butting in on the actions of others. Why wait for Rick Perry to send the U.S Military over there when you can gather up the dumbest codgers with guns and send them over instead? Make them get off of their asses and defend the border if it bothers them so much!

since so many of them want to come over here why not just annex it and suck it into the united states? we get rid of mexico and than there will be no problem what so ever lol..

Originally posted by The Sword
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You've never been there, hence you know nothing about it!

This is why there are so many misunderstandings in our world nowadays. This is why Texas tells people not to mess with it but it enjoys butting in on the actions of others. Why wait for Rick Perry to send the U.S Military over there when you can gather up the dumbest codgers with guns and send them over instead? Make them get off of their asses and defend the border if it bothers them so much!

"Don't Mess With Texas" has nothing to do with anything other than not littering on our highways. It is an ad campaign telling us not to litter.

Most Texans cannot stand Rick Perry. The only reason he gets reelected is because of Austin and some businesses and industries that he has worked with. But right now, Texas has the top economy in the nation, and the lowest unemployment.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I don't think socialism is bad. i just don't prefer it. I believe in fewer laws, lower taxes, and virtually no government. Not an anarchist. Most lke a constitutionalist, or libertarian.

Libertarianism is organized anarchy; constitutionalism has nothing to do with libertarianism either (Canada is a constitutional monarchy, afterall)

I do not believe that you have a right to good health.

Well, that says it all, doesn't it? I guess health is a priviledge, especially if you can afford to pay for health insurance while millions of your own people can only dream of having such a luxury.

Good health is no privilege either. It is just a state of being. A blessing. The problem is neither insurers nor political systems. It is greedy doctors who keep charging ever higher prices for procedures. If Medicare is willing to pay the price, then that is the base price for a procedure.

Libertarianism and Constitutionalism meet when you hold Libertarian ideals into your high constitutional standards and interpretations.

I am glad you like Canada.

Remember the idea of the North American Union? Could it be the beginning of the end of the USA? Next the Amero to solve the economic situation. I live on the border and this affects us all everyday. Now it will affect everyone across the nation in one way or another. Let's hope not.

Originally posted by aztlan73
Remember the idea of the North American Union? Could it be the beginning of the end of the USA? Next the Amero to solve the economic situation. I live on the border and this affects us all everyday. Now it will affect everyone across the nation in one way or another. Let's hope not.

End of the US?

This is what the US has dreamed of since its creation. "Manifest destiny", the American goal of conquering North America. This is the entire history of North America since the Europeans slaughtered over a hundred million aboriginals. Canada was formed as a united confederacy against American annexation.

The NAU will not mean the end of the US; it will mean the beginning of the American Empire. The Americans have never stopped trying to achieve this goal, and anyone who is blind to it is dangerous to all of us. The FTA is what the Americans imposed on Canada to harness our economy and resources, and to make sure we could never legally have a national economy ever again (because nationalism is the true threat to US foreign policy). NAFTA brought Mexico into the sphere.

Under NAFTA, the Americans take Canadian resources to Mexico where they manufacture goods via cheap labour, and sell them for American benefit. So what happens when the globalist corporations that spawned out of the US now move their production and sales facilities to China? The US loses its economy, and has to resort to selling itself out or printing imaginary money. Canada and Mexico still lose (Canada was once a great industrial power, then the Americans took over and now we are nothing more than miners, loggers, fuel and energy producers for the US). In the current context of things, what will save Canada and Mexico, and especially the US?

A North American Union. This is the American agenda from the very beginning. They used us to build their military superpower and now they require us to annex with them to maintain their empire, or they will collapse. Canada and Mexico need to nationalize very quickly if we feel like we still deserve our sovereignty, instead of being raped by the US who treats us likes its two whores. If we nationalize, we will cut off American energy demands and production. They will retaliate with force, and will we defeat them through great sacrifice and willpower.

This threat of American military incursion into Mexico is an attempt for the Americans to secure their economic interests in the region; they couldn't care less about Mexican culture, heritage or sovereignty. The ability of the Mexicans to fend off American incursions will help shape a new world order for North America; one without the sphere of American influence and corruption.

Perry answered: “I think we have to use every aspect of law enforcement that we have, including the military. I think you have the same situation as you had in Colombia. Obviously, Mexico has to approve any type of assistance that we can give them."

When did the military become another damn arm of law enforcement? That statement right there is ignorant unto its core. Use the military to police Mexico and your setting the stage for them to police us. I am all for recon type units overwatching the border, and informing the border patrol of illegals location. That way the border patrol can arrest them. Going much further than that, I do not agree with. We need to be careful how our military is used. So they are not used against us in the same manner.

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We could look at it another way...
If we sit back and let things go too far... meaning the drug lords take over and start carving up the country into war lord controlled mini nation states... then we here in the us could be flooded with millions of refugees fleeing the chaos that would ensue...

If it takes a new intelligence office operating in their country (OTI) to keep that from happening then you could say that's a good thing and might save a lot of innocent lives... However I still feel the long range goal is something more insidious

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Then if that happens deploy 1st Cav or the 101st ABN to shutdown the border. We are already in a mess in the middle east. The wide scale use of the military should be a last resort in this situation. But a smaller scale use of Army scout platoons, RSTA squadrons, and Marine recon. To overwatch the border now, as an assistance to the border patrol with zero contact with illegals. Seems sensible to me.

I had a platoon sergeant that did something similar to this in the 90s. But they went everywhere with the border patrol, and assisted in arresting illegals.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Honestly I think that there are pros and cons to both systems of healthcare. The wait time for some procedures in Canada is bad and the outrageous prices and hoops we jump through in the US for some things is just as outrageous. I have been to Canada and grew up in Michigan so I am familiar with the situation. I have also lived in Texas. That being said, if for one minute you think we have made Canada and Mexico our "whores" don't delude yourself into thinking that the leaders of those two countries didn't have a "price" in mind before we climbed on top.

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I'm quite aware of who sold us out and his connections.

As for wait-times in our health system, it's called the process. It's how it works. Maybe if we had less of our doctors leaving for capitalist ambitions in the US and more centralized government funding in our social health programs then we would be even better off. In fact, the funding for healthcare is a whole other story, starting with the provinces wanting more decentralization which means the federal government funds less, leaving the provincial governments to find ways to pay for their own social programs. This is a serious threat to our social programs because most (Western) provincial leaders would prefer to privatize everything regardless of how it screws over average Canadians.

Before Mulroney came into power and screwed Canada bad, we had four times more funding going into healthcare. So don't blame healthcare, blame the greedy and stupid politicians who follow corporate agendas.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Trust me, I do blame the politicians. If the US, Canada and Mexico cooperated with each other, and I don't mean some North American Union, which I think is inevitable by the way, but really cooperated, the quality of life for all three countries would be so much better.

Originally posted by rakkasansct
I had a platoon sergeant that did something similar to this in the 90s. But they went everywhere with the border patrol, and assisted in arresting illegals.

I was one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (USMC) Patroling the Calif. border without the border patrol... Regular Army units were used out in Texas back then... it all worked pretty well until that kid was shot by a sniper... case of misteken ID but the SHTF and all troops were pulled out...

Still were getting some mixed signals these past few days... did you see my other post
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Seems Obama wants the Guard out of there by Feb????
Almost like they want the border wide open?????

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So don't blame healthcare, blame the greedy and stupid politicians who follow corporate agendas.

This, right here, is the proverbial nail on the head. You have just described 99.99% of what is wrong in both our countries (and all Western nations).

Greed is the blight of humanity. The "one thing" that repeatedly causes us to suffer.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
So don't blame healthcare, blame the greedy and stupid politicians who follow corporate agendas.

This, right here, is the proverbial nail on the head. You have just described 99.99% of what is wrong in both our countries (and all Western nations).

Greed is the blight of humanity. The "one thing" that repeatedly causes us to suffer.

If we want to get into the application of sins, then I can describe how American culture thrives on every single one of the seven. Pretty strange for "one nation under God", right?

As for cooperation between Canada, US and Mexico? NO. Everything was great when everything was nationalized in this countries. Cooperation is wrong. Alliances are one thing, but military, economy and politics should be completely nationalized or everything gets screwed up (as proven most of the time).

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as absurd and warped as it is, i actually prefer the internet "meme" culture over the US pop culture. At least it makes you think a little bit.

Charlotte Iserbyte got it right, i think, when she warned of an attack on US intellect.

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Make no mistake though; Internet culture is global culture. Are you prepared to say that you prefer a global culture over your own national culture?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Yeah. Cut the US off from Canada. That way, when wealthier Canadians want medical care that doesn't suck, they will have to head overseas.

Funny that is exactly what poor Americans who want medical care have to do. Go to Mexico.