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Maybe : Your Political Rhetoric, Your Political Affiliation, Your Belief System, Needs To Change...

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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Having been a conspiracy theorist now for 31 years, 5 of them on ATS, being here on ATS has done nothing to make me feel a part of this community, other than those very few people who can ignore the partisan rhetoric, whether they were Moderators, long-term members, or short-term members, or my own patience level.

Sick Puppies - Maybe


Who the Hell cares about the left-wing rants?

Who the Hell cares about the right-wing rants?

Who the Hell cares about the politicians?

If we as a community cannot look past the ignorant left-wing/right-wing nonsense nothing will change.

The Reason Conspiracy Theorists Can Never "Win" Against the Elite

Before anyone tries attacking my stance, I am a registered Independent, and a Centrist.



I absolutely hate the stupid, ignorant, and useless partisanship bickering.

People defend a political party that is only out for that political party and uses them.

Or they do not know how to think freely for themselves.

And then there is people who follow people like Alex Jones.

Of course not everyone can lead themselves, few can, but it sure would be wonderful.

Personally, I prefer leading myself, and having no followers, period.



Who the Hell cares if these soldiers are gay or straight?

Who the Hell cares if these soldiers defend your rights or commit atrocities in our name?

Who the Hell cares if these soldiers believe in the U.S. or are just looking for a paycheck?



If we cannot learn to agree more, disagree less between ourselves, and define ourselves as a community and quit nonsensical complaining, whining, and bitching, we're not going to do anything except sit on our keisters and watch the world go by without anything changing except the time frame of our own demise. We have to do something more than partisan rhetoric, racial hatred, talk of guns, hatred of politics, and do something positive for a change. So, what are you going to do, to change your stance and do something positive to change this world?

Our rights are being whittled away more and more and not one person is defending them.

At least not in the only way which will work.

Through politics.



Who the Hell cares if new members cannot spell?

Who the Hell cares if old members are respected?

Who the Hell care if ATS is the best conspiracy theory website?

The Secret Life of Houdini: The Making of America's First Superhero




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Escape Artist.

International Superstar.

Since his death eighty years ago, Harry Houdini's life has been chronicled in books, in film, and on television.

Now, in this groundbreaking biography, renowned magic expert William Kalush and bestselling writer Larry Sloman team up to find the man behind the myth.

Drawing from millions of pages of research, they describe in vivid detail the passions that drove Houdini to perform ever-more-dangerous feats, his secret life as a spy, and a pernicious plot to subvert his legacy.

The Secret Life of Houdini traces the arc of the master magician's life from desperate poverty to worldwide fame -- his legacy later threatened by a group of fanatical Spiritualists led by esteemed British author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Initiating the reader along the way into the arcane world of professional magic, Kalush and Sloman decode a life based on deception, providing an intimate and riveting portrayal of Houdini, the man and the legend.


If Harry Houdini, otherwise known as Erik Weisz, can change the world through politics?


Quote from : Wikipedia : Harry Houdini

Harry Houdini (born Erik Weisz; March 24, 1874 – October 31, 1926) was a Hungarian-born American magician and escapologist, stunt performer, actor and film producer noted for his sensational escape acts.

He was also a skeptic who set out to expose frauds purporting to be supernatural phenomena.


If someone like Houdini can start as a small time con-artist and make it to the world stage?

If someone like Houdini can manifest the ability to expose the con-artists in Washington D.C.?

If someone like Houdini can expose that our American Government was infiltrated?

Then what exactly is your excuse?

What are you doing to change this world?

Why are you not doing more?

Houdini exposed that the entire Federal Government was infiltrated.

Up to and including the White House.

By spiritualists.

It is time to do something politically or stop even bothering calling yourself a conspiracy theorist.
edit on 11/17/10 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight To The Post.




posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:16 PM
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What classifies as being an activist? Obviously partaking in politics and questioning authority through other means than just complaining on the internet are some ways to do so but in particular what do you do to change the system?

I am a divisive figure on ATS yes I am part of the crowed of partisans who perpetuate political rhetoric. Am I proud of this? Well not exactly. I have seen nothing constructive come from what I say. There has been no attempt to build consensus, absolutely nothing has changed from me arguing and complaining yet I continue to do it.

I believe many of us are stuck in this cycle of repetition of things we know are neither constructive, necessary, nor helpful in solving the exact issues we are complaining about, I found this as a waste of time but I just continue to repeat it over and over again.

It requires us to be constructive and think outside of the box. That is where revolutionary ideas arise is when people stop doing the same thing that continuously wields no results and tries something new. The founding fathers could have just argued about how evil the British Crown was and never do anything about and where would we be now? No they thought outside the box and dared to put their ideas into action.

Humans are an exceptional species yet we still manage to do things like less intelligent species. For example you might see a squirrel run across the road to get to a tree bountiful with acorns. At the same time there is a crossing that is above the road right next to where he crosses at. The squirrel keeps risking his life every day crossing that road when he could just change one thing and he could safely cross that walk bridge and not risk his life.

Unfortunately that is what many if not most of us humans do. We are that squirrel we keep repeating the same thing, we are doing something really stupid when we could easily just change one thing and what we would do then could be very beneficial and good.

Look we all want things to change, we all acknowledge that there are things wrong in society and in government but we all disagree on how to solve these problems. Fighting will not help us solve these problems because it keeps us distracted. I know we have heard this many of times but we have a chance now to change things. More and more people are waking up and joining those of us who have been waiting on society to awaken.

Well ATS the world is waking up, your fellow man is joining you, will you help lift them up? Will you help solve the problem and not keep this charade going?

The world is hungry for an intellectual revolution will you not feed them?




Here is my promise from this day forth. I will not be a partisan espousing political rhetoric. I am entitled to my beliefs and I will acknowledge and respect yours. If there happens to be a debate I will do my very best to make it constructive. That is my promise from this day forth.

Who will be willing to join me in that promise?

edit on 11/17/2010 by Misoir because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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You're one of those few people I referenced.

The ones who can ignore partisanship rhetoric.

Who can ignore the racial hatred and ignorance.

It just seems a shame that more people cannot put down the partisan flags.

And lead themselves without allegiances towards nonsense.

Just so you know I refuse to be a part of the partisan bickering.

When I post a thread or comment on someone else's I comment on the policies.

I follow policy, protocol, and procedure so foreign and domestic policy is easy for me.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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SF Good analysis, because that is the only thing that will turn this country around. Now I do poke a little fun towards the republican party, but both parties are scoundrals. I am very very very disapointed with Amerca right now because they just turned right around and voted in the same damn party that got us into this mess and its only been two years. Couldn't they have just voted in anyone other than the GOP or Democrats? Oops I forgot to busy watching Grays Anatomy, Lost, and Girls Nextdoor, didn't have enough time to do alittle research. I am very saddened over whats going on in America these days and will probably not be voting for another 20 years, I already decided. I am still curious who the lesser of two evils are between the Democrats and Republicans. It is really hard to tell. The only thing that pushes me away from the GOP is the fact that most of them are extremely religious and choose to run our country based on that religion. Thanks OP



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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I think I am up for it.

You have authored some really good threads, so don't beat yourself up too bad.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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I poke at both political parties.

But this is because I see through both sides lies.

I am specifying those political parties and not ATS members.

And I am disappointed in America as a whole for putting any of these bastards in power.

The bread and circuses are a means to distract the populace too stupid to think.

You reference Gray's Anatomy, Lost, and Girls Next Door.

I reference American Idol, Big Brother, and Survivor.

Useless nonsense meant as a distraction.

Pay attention to the laws, policies, and actions or you're paying attention to the wrong things.

If you care about the politician getting caught with an intern you're still not paying attention.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Before anyone tries attacking my stance, I am a registered Independent, and a Centrist.


Why are you registered as anything?
Regis refers to "belonging to the king"
How are you truly independent when you "belong to the king"?

In order to be registered, one must make application. When you make an application, you are submitting and bowing to another in order to make an appeal.

Main Entry: appeal
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: request for help
Synonyms: address, adjuration, application , bid, call, claim, demand, entreaty, imploration, importunity, invocation, overture, petition, plea, prayer, proposal, proposition, question, recourse, requisition, solicitation, submission, suit, supplication



The application is your prayer, your plea.

Main Entry: prayer
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: pleading, especially with a deity;
Synonyms: answer adoration, appeal, application, begging, benediction, beseeching, communion, devotion, entreaty, grace, imploration, imploring, imprecation, invocation, litany, orison, petition, plea, pleading, request, request for help, rogation, service, suit, supplication, worship





Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Our rights are being whittled away more and more and not one person is defending them.


Ultimately, who has actually given you your rights as a human being? The state? As long as you believe you are a state-created being and use the documentation that proves that, then you may answer 'yes'. My rights do not come from the state.



Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Houdini exposed that the entire Federal Government was infiltrated.

Up to and including the White House.

By spiritualists.

It is time to do something politically or stop even bothering calling yourself a conspiracy theorist.


Then it would appear you are beating your head against a brick wall.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
Why are you registered as anything?
Regis refers to "belonging to the king"
How are you truly independent when you "belong to the king"?


According to an old-world mentality, maybe, not according to mine.



Originally posted by Alethea
In order to be registered, one must make application. When you make an application, you are submitting and bowing to another in order to make an appeal.


I never submitted an application.

The guy at the Drivers License bureau asked.

I asked him my options.

Independent is to me, independent, nothing more, nothing less.

Free to change at any time.


Originally posted by Alethea
The application is your prayer, your plea.


Nonsense, prayer is prayer, and a plea is a plea.

I've never asked for quarter and I give none.

I define my destiny and no one else will.


Originally posted by Alethea
Ultimately, who has actually given you your rights as a human being? The state? As long as you believe you are a state-created being and use the documentation that proves that, then you may answer 'yes'. My rights do not come from the state.


I give myself my human rights and no one will take them from me.

My rights come from my intelligence, my willingness to put up with people, or not.

No city, state, or country defines my rights.

Those rights defined through our Constitution are merely those you see on paper.

We as humans have many more rights we never use or know of whatsoever.

If you do not defend those defined by laws none of the others will matter either.


Originally posted by Alethea
Then it would appear you are beating your head against a brick wall.


No, I am watching other people, beating their heads on a wall.

And becoming useless as those sheeple they decry.

Over, under, around, or through I make headway every day.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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Okay, Alethea
consider your approach to this thread.
Are you here to belittle the OP? That is how you come across.
If you wish to teach, do not ridicule the "student" that, I presume, you are trying to reach with your point. This is not a pissing match, no offense.
I have been guilty of the same thing, a bad approach to a thread.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
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Okay, Alethea
consider your approach to this thread.
Are you here to belittle the OP? That is how you come across.
If you wish to teach, do not ridicule the "student" that, I presume, you are trying to reach with your point. This is not a pissing match, no offense.
I have been guilty of the same thing, a bad approach to a thread.



I think Alethea was just sharing her opinion.

She is not my teacher.

I am a leader and I learn wherever I learn from in the Universe.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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I understand that.

We are ALL teachers however, and we are ALL students. The approach was what I was addressing...that approach comes across as adversarial, and the message is lost.

In my opinion, of course.

Note: I pretty much despised my grandfather because he always talked down to me. Only later did I realize he had some good information, but so much of it was lost because of his delivery. I guess he thought he could shame me into performing at a higher level. Didn't work.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 

I understand that.

We are ALL teachers however, and we are ALL students. The approach was what I was addressing...that approach comes across as adversarial, and the message is lost.

In my opinion, of course.

Note: I pretty much despised my grandfather because he always talked down to me. Only later did I realize he had some good information, but so much of it was lost because of his delivery. I guess he thought he could shame me into performing at a higher level. Didn't work.


I do agree with you.

We are all teachers.

We are all students.

I just choose to pick from the teachers I learn from and select who I teach.

I understand you were addressing Alethea's approach and I appreciate that.

And in regards to your grandfather?

No one enjoys being force fed or ramrodded rhetoric, dogma, or religion.

I hate choke-points, choking on baloney, and choking societies that are dying thanks to ignorance.

Deny Ignorance.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by Alethea
Why are you registered as anything?
Regis refers to "belonging to the king"
How are you truly independent when you "belong to the king"?


According to an old-world mentality, maybe, not according to mine.



The world runs according to legal definitions of words. To assert your independence, you do need to investigate and have knowledge of what you have decided is "old world mentality." You are on their turf and you must know what the rules are. You need to know what you are dealing with, otherwise you are swinging blind. Legal definitions are key in understanding how you have been bound and entrapped.

@Stewie:
My answers have only been to exemplify and clarify my point of view. At no time have I made any remarks that put the OP down.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
The world runs according to legal definitions of words. To assert your independence, you do need to investigate and have knowledge of what you have decided is "old world mentality." You are on their turf and you must know what the rules are. You need to know what you are dealing with, otherwise you are swinging blind. Legal definitions are key in understanding how you have been bound and entrapped.

@Stewie:
My answers have only been to exemplify and clarify my point of view. At no time have I made any remarks that put the OP down.


The world is run by legals means this is something we agree upon.

However, letting that define you, solely and not defining yourself is letting others define you.

I do not live within the boxes others place me within.

I think inside the box, outside the box, and smash the box and start over, this is who I am.

I am on planet Earth and other than arbitrary lines in the sand it is our turf.

Not the city, state, or countries.

Until we as a society realize this planet is ours we are slaves.

I know at all times what I'm dealing with in all regards.

If I do not I learn and deal with it accordingly.

I am bound only by what I let bind me and nothing more.

And for clarification purposes, I starred your last post as well as this one, so I took no offense.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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I am not attacking you, or your position.
I only feel, as I have stated, that you could benefit (if you wish to convey the potential of your point) from an improved delivery, or approach.
I made an observation, and unless you consider that the possibility exists that I am right, I will be forced to reconsider MY approach.
Is there a possibility that I am right?
As to your original point, if it matters at all, I am in general agreement.
Now, back to the thread.....



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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Thank you Alethea and Stewie for clarifying your positions.

It is appreciated.

Now back to the topic at hand.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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the left/right paradigm has been working for the PTB since... well for as long as i an remember. It doesn't take much to notice that the two party system is a one party system. Its a one party system because the corporations behind these politicians are being paid by the same people, serving the same agenda no matter who controls the house, the senate, or the white house. They all serve the same corps behind them.

It doesn't take much to see it, but those who dont will fight to the grave for their party affiliation. Divide and conquer. simple as that. If anyone else doesn't see it, then their idiots.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by ugie1028
the left/right paradigm has been working for the PTB since... well for as long as i an remember. It doesn't take much to notice that the two party system is a one party system. Its a one party system because the corporations behind these politicians are being paid by the same people, serving the same agenda no matter who controls the house, the senate, or the white house. They all serve the same corps behind them.

It doesn't take much to see it, but those who dont will fight to the grave for their party affiliation. Divide and conquer. simple as that. If anyone else doesn't see it, then their idiots.


Of course the left-wing/right-wing paradigm works for those in power.

My point of course is that people need to wake up and realize that.

And through that stop letting the divisive nature of what politicians see as "the game" distract them.

Divide and conquer, indeed, it is as simple as that.

Thanks for the post.



posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Remember this:


"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of mankind and greed, you mark my words, will not only save [snip], but that other malfunctioning corporation called the U.S.A..."


Short, has impact, delivered with dramatic effect... it also elicits a fierce determination (for those whom it reaches) and my reason for quoting it? Perhaps it addresses your question in this thread. Why have "we as a people" not risen to "take back" that which we want (presumably the country in this example)? the answer is simple. "The people" do not have the same drive and determination, focus and goal. One has to know where they want to go before they will even try. Do "we as a people" have any idea where that is? If the people don't know, than what they do is follow. Who do they follow?

Those who know where they want to go.


"I once said greed was good. Now, it seems it's legal, and everyone's drinking the same Kool-aid...


Is it about doing the right thing? or, is it about the game?

da dun dun...


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posted on Nov, 19 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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Excellent reply, LadySkadi, and well thought out indeed.

We as a nation are so easily distracted by materialism, the bread and circuses, and our very existence in the rat-race, we soon forget that life has a purpose, and that as individuals we must find that purpose best suited for us as individuals.

Because we are not united under one purpose.

However, the country as a whole, the psyche has been damaged, thanks to events like the assassination of J.F.K., the bombing of Oklahoma City, and even the horrendous actions of that fateful day on September 11th, that we do not know how to find our center.

But this is exactly what those people who commit these atrocious actions desire.

To crack our collective psyche and inject nonsense into it to distract us and lie to us.

This is being said without directing who exactly pulled off those events.

Because, whether it was the lone-nut, a Government conspiracy, or a set of events through happenstance, the results are the same, whether it was the one idiot in the herd, a conglomerate pulling off a black-box operation, or incompetance, malfeasance, and negligence, the results are the same as well and all parties involved, uninvolved, or due to a lack of professionalism, are all traitors to society as a whole, traitors to our nations collectively, and monsters needing justice to be served.

Jail time is too good for them, but so is the waste of a bullet, so is the taut rope of a noose.

Why?

Because our society has let them get away with murder on many levels.

In our name.

Because those citizens too focused on materialism let it happen.

Due to their ignorance of "the game" being played.

And this is in fact the culprit.

Both those guilty of the actions as well as those guilty of negligent citizenship.
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