To China and the world - We do NOT apologize, page 3

reply to post by Misoir

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Oh boy, that entire post just sounded like ideological horse pucky. I dont mean to come off so harsh because I see your intentions are well placed. Im not for other people apologizing for me either, but we need to get away from this "America is great" routine. Its just plain obnoxious.

Do we hear people from other republics and democracies spout their countries greatness? No, we dont. Their are other countries with far less poverty, far less crime and far higher standards of living out there. Do we hear about them spouting off how "great" they are? I fully believe in the original plans the founding fathers setup for us. But we have long since removed ourselves from what made this country so prosperous, and the ride to our current state of affairs has not been the smoothest.

Im not here to bash your idea, because you are right about China. I dont believe in their system, although their new capitalist tendencies are fairing them well for the moment, so hats off to them. America simply needs to get back to her roots, I believe. Lets not forget where we came from, but instead of spouting ideological, nationalistic rhetoric, lets focus on what we need to do to get back to that fantastic idea the faired so many people nationwide and even worldwide for so long. We can do that with pride, but lets leave the nationalist arrogance at the door, eh?

reply to post by Misoir

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Yikes.... I read the line 'besides, if they bomb us we will nuke them' and couldnt help but feel pity for you. You are attacking a poster who started a thread advocating peace and backing it with the old 'superior fire-power' argument(which may very well be a myth).

With enough firepower eventually we all die. dont forget that.

reply to post by blaenau2000

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Negative ghost rider. How very typical of certain types of individulas to enter a conspiracy forum and generalize over 300 million people.

Every country has their problems and internal battles. Indeed, America has its share of population with nationalistic tendencies. This mostly comes from a large minority. And sometimes, their are Americans who wish to point out to quickly the problems of the present. I find it to be mostly politically based. But to point fingers from afar in a conspiracy forum puts yourself in the same category of ignorance. I would easily venture to say that you have never stepped foot on US soil and actually spoken to Americans. Generalizing on conspiracy boards hardly makes your opinion valid.

Originally posted by Misoir

Originally posted by Sover3igN
reply to post by Misoir

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So the US of A is special.
Sorry, I just finished laughing for 25 minutes.

I agree China is no saint, but the US of A sure is not either.

So you were laughing 13 minutes prior to the creation of this thread??

Thread created at 2:20 P.M.
You posted at 2:32 P.M.

Hmmm....

I forgot to mention. I was laughing when the OP wrote the post. I have p0w3r5.

reply to post by Misoir

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You're endowed with the same sins as the other original poster ; you attempt to speak for "your faction" of "your nation". It's that division I find hard to stomach about 21st Century USA ... it didn't use to be like that.

I don't regard the USA as being a great nation any more. People worldwide no longer look at the USA as being that Shining City Upon A Hill. It's been that way since the Iraq invasion.

So your "greatest nation on Earth despite all our errors" imperial flummery just doesn't cut it anymore, it's tired & jaded. Your nation is now entering it's post-imperial phase, when influence will wane. The question isn't about how great your nation is, or was ... it's about what it will leave behind in it's wake. For the USA that might mean freedom of expression, liberty for all under the law ... the legacy which was given to you guys several hundred years ago by your own Founding Fathers, it's not one your own generation has augmented in any way whatever.

You need apologise for nothing, choose not to fall on bended knee ; but what you will have to do, however, is adopt a new mindset, such as the British adjustment in the 1950's as the colonial era came to an end ... and recognise that the world is entering a new phase and one in which the USA is no longer the pre-eminent power in the world. Once you make that mental change you'll be less likely to post such kneejerk OP's.

reply to post by xiphias

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I know the patriots would definitely be pissed if they had to stand next to a "foreigner" while waiting in line at McDonalds.

Like we don't already ?

I don't know about where you are from but , most motels and convenience stores around here are already owned by "foreigners" . We have been subject to this for several years now .

How is that relevant to the OP ?

reply to post by SyphonX

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I will ask this: where is your attempt to address anything having to do with the actual topic?

You have proved my point with your post to me.

reply to post by LadySkadi

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Right, exactly.

A thread about how the US should 'not' apologize to China should have absolutely "no criticism of the US" or else you're "off-topic" or whatever label you folks want to pull out of thin air.

I don't feel I need to address any of the points in the thread. There is information and pointed debate in the other thread and some in here. However, automatically, the first few responses were about how "You're an anti-American loser for disagreeing with the OP or discussing otherwise."

So yeah, not a friendly environment when one tells you to shut up and you're off-topic and your other choice is to praise the opinion.

reply to post by SyphonX

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How would it have been off-topic to first address the points made in the OP and then make the opposing points after? I suppose it is all in how one chooses to view the topic. Discuss or debate (with debate = argument) is that the way it is? Why can't it be both?

Anyway, this conversation isn't contributing to the thread either, so perhaps it should fade out. I made my point (but moved it to the other thread, a more relevant place to make it, I felt) where it was actually on topic and to the point the OP was trying to make.

As for this thread, I stopped reading when it became apparent it was going to be two fist colliding instead of a purposeful discussion...

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