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FAQ: Is this really a conspiracy?
OP's response to FAQ: YES because those 2 scriptures are CONSTANTLY IGNORED/BROKEN DELIBERATELY or by OMISSION by THOSE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER! i.e. The authors AND translators of the (non-Torah) OT and NT books, the compilers of the Judaic Oral law and the authors of the Quoran/Koran. This has led to False teachings and the leading astray of YHVH's flock as foretold by YHVH and Moses at Deut 31:16-18 and Deut 31:24-29.
In Closing Personal Disclosure: If you are going to believe in a Book of Laws then one had better uphold the least important of those laws as much as one upholds the most important laws! OR what's the point at all? Hypocrisy? maybe! Conspiracy? Definitely!
Originally posted by frozenspark
Some folks tell me that Talmud is actually more "important" than the Torah, and others tell me otherwise. Is there anybody here who can sort of dumb it down and explain the significance of these two documents and their use? Are there sects of Jews who place heavier emphasis on one over another, and vice versa? Are there sects that completely ignore the teachings of Talmud and simply follow the Torah? Educate me, as well as other members here who might be interested in this subject!
The reason I am asking, if you must know, is because based on some things I have learned about Talmud it is some of the most racist material ever produced. It probably makes Mein Kampf look like something published by Gandhi and Mother Theresa working in cooperation.edit on 17-11-2010 by frozenspark because: (no reason given)
The Three Parts of Kabbalah
1. The Spirit of the Doctrine. In the Jewish tradition, the first part of the doctrine that Moses received was the secret oral tradition that was later written down in The Zohar (ספר הזהר Sepher ha Zohar, The Book of Splendor). In the beginning, this knowledge was only transmitted from lip to ear. But later on, the mysterious Zohar was written, which is called “the Spirit of the doctrine.” Every religion originally had the secret, oral tradition, or Spirit of the teaching.
2. The Soul of the Doctrine. In the Jewish tradition, there is another book that Moses gave, which is called Talmud (תלמוד). The Talmud is “the soul of the doctrine.”
3. The Body of the Doctrine. In the Jewish tradition, the body of the doctrine is the Torah (תורה). In the Christian tradition, it is the Bible. That is why in the Torah or Bible you find many symbols, many stories whose meaning is hard to grasp if you do not know the Spirit and Soul of the doctrine. Without the Spirit and Soul of the doctrine, you then enter into confusion.
Introduction to Daath
In Israel, the Jewish people study their mysticism, which is Kabbalah and the Tree of Life. But amongst them it is very rare to find someone who knows about דעת Daath. The Rabbis or teachers always hide it. So I went there and taught them about the mystery of Daath. This was something amazing for them because they had never heard of it. But other ears who knew about Daath were angry with me or with my lecture. Later on after I left Israel, I had an experience in the astral plane of a black magician trying to hypnotize me. He was telling me, “You have to forget the mystery of Daath. Forget the mystery of Daath.” I was listening to this black magician, and I knew that he was referring to all the knowledge I had given related with Kabbalah. And I thought to myself, “How am I going to forget something that I am experiencing? That I am practicing?”
"In everyday life we have been able to verify to the point of satiation that those who put aside the question of sex to live the superior life of the heart, considering everything having to do with eroticism as taboo, will sooner or later, suddenly, without warning, experience weariness and despair.
"It is clearly evident that the most deeply submerged egos surface; those that previously seemed dormant and lifeless burst into action, and all the spiritual joy achieved with such difficulty becomes an infernal apprehension.
"That sublime expectation of “resting in the Divine” then seems suddenly dashed and that which shone as endless harmony is turned into an abyss of vain illusions.
"For this reason, those who wish to achieve true liberation must never lull themselves into a false sense of security.
"We must learn how to live dangerously from moment to moment, instant to instant.
"True, direct, transcendental, mystic knowledge will certainly be impossible as long as one has inner conflicts.
"We need to grab the devil by the horns; it is essential that we capture the fiery torch from Typhon Baphomet, the Male Goat of Mendez.
"The esoteric Viparitakarani teaches how, through concentration, the “Yogi slowly raises the semen, in such a way that man and woman can attain Vajroli.”
"The woman is explicitly designated as a “saint” during the carnal act. She must also find herself in the position both to transform the fire of her sexual power and to be able to direct it to superior centers of the body.
"By making the semen ascend in the body, that is to say, by making it flow inward and upward instead of spilling it, by reverting the drops which the ignorant and profane send to the woman’s uterus, we activate the ethereal flame of the semen; we activate the igneous serpent of our magical powers through which we can and must reduce the animal ego to dust."
Originally posted by dontreally
Cause that my friend is the issue.
He doesnt explain WHAT zionism is, nor does he explain Judaism. He just makes a separation between the two without defining what it is that separates them.
Originally posted by dontreally
Secular Zionism - which actually promotes secular paganism (that is, liberalism - liber = Roman dionysus) is clearly not Jewish. But RELIGIOUS zionism, is the APPLICATION of Judaism, in the political world.
For 1700 years the Jews have been demoralized and degraded by the Romans. The christians, having inherited the mantle of Rome continued the persecution through the ages, and prevented the jews from returning to Zion. Do you know what Zion means? It means the Temple Mount,on mount Moriah, in Jerusalem. That is the point of Judaism. That G-d have a temple on the Temple mount, as described by the prophet Ezekiel, and the Jews return to Israel to serve G-d there.
That is Zionism. Its the realization of Judaism and G-ds command in the Torah for the Jews to live there, and serve G-d there according to the Laws of Moshe; the 613 commandments.
Now this ^^^^ is RELIGIOUS Zionism. This is the only real Zionism.
Originally posted by dontreally
The elite know very well what the Torah , NaCH, Midrashim and Zohar predict about the end of days. The Talmud says there would be two Moshiachs. The former refers to a process, whereas the latter the material manifestion of Judaisms mission; which is to live in Israel, in peace, with all the nations of the world making peace WITH them. Than the world will be ruled by Torah, and the Law of G-d. Moshiach Ben Yosef - the first messiah, has alread come, somewhat. "Yosef", as you might know, means "he gathered". That is, gathered the Jew from amongst the diaspore, to return and live in the Holy land. This is obviously not a coincidence. The Talmud says that, and today it has partially happened. It wont be complete until the majority of Jews live in Israel (right now its about half). When this is complete, Moshiach ben David will return and ressurect the fallen Moshiach Ben Yosef. David - which means 'beloved' refers to the relationship that the Jews, and indeed all mankind, will have with G-d. It means we will be close to him; as his beloved.
"This is how the people of the Prophets of Judah crucified their promised Messiah - Christ; this is how their people, the nation of Israel, failed. This is how the people that had been chosen by the Prophets of Judah in order to spread the Christic wisdom upon the entire face of the earth chose the abyss. Now, that nation follows Javhe and totally failed its Prophets, because such a nation betrayed its Master and crucified him. If the Lord had not been crucified, the destiny of the Western world would have been another; we would now have sublime enlightened Rabbis everywhere, preaching the Christic Esotericism.
"Christic Esotericism, the secret Jewish Kabbalah, and the Holy Alchemy united would have completely illuminated and transformed the entire world. Yes, the mysteries of Levi would have shone with the Light of Christ. Gnosis (Daath) would have magnificently shone everywhere. Then, the world would not have fallen into the dead Christianity of Roman Catholicism. Then, we would have been saved from the horrible darkness of the Dark Age (Kali Yuga). Regrettably, the people chosen by the Prophets of Judah failed and the entire humanity sank into the abyss."
- Samael Aun Weor
Originally posted by dontreally
So, when Aun Weor criticizes Zionism, and says "zionism is ok" but "judaism is not". What the hell is he talking about? Judaism he sure as hell knows has one desire, and thats to return to the land of Israel, LIVE there, as G-d himself commands.
Do you see how this is a fabricated argument? Hes simply created a reasoning why to oppose Zionism, but not Judaism - and hes done this from a metaphysical perspective. But metaphysically, the purpose of Judaism, and the crystal clear message of the Torah, is that the Jews live in the land of Israel. From the Nile, to the Euphrates. With the Holy Temple built and in use; with all the offerings and liblations mentioned in the Torah.
Originally posted by dontreally
This worries me that you cant see the problem with this Zionism vs. Judaism thing. Cause there is only 1 Judaism, and two Zionisms. The latter religious Zionism is the manifestion on a political level of the destiny of the Jewish people, to live in Israel, and to follow the 613 Mitzvot (commandments) of their Torah. Thr latter zionism is a pgan abberation that could only be created from the minds of pagans; ie, the pagan western elite; their vatican, and the other instutions they control.
"Some, when they think about the messenger, imagine him as being an exotic hermit of foregone times, similar to Palemon the stylite, the successor of Antonio the ancient...
"Others assume that he may be like a penitent old man carrying sackcloth of hair upon his flagellated body...
"Others fancy him as a venerable sage striding at all hours through the streets of Mexico while wearing a shining turban and white tunic...
"Others picture me as a saint endlessly living among ignited wax candles and perfumed flowers within an indescribable sanctuary...
"However, the crude reality of the facts is that the messenger of the New Era is an average, common, and ordinary citizen, a nobody whose value is the lowest.
"Unquestionably, for these and many other reasons, it is a triviality of very bad taste to travel from distant lands in order to visit someone who is not worth the trouble... So, go and visit the libraries, the archeological museums, the ruins of Egypt, etc., that is indeed better...
"Practically, we have been able to clearly verify that the visitor does not come in order to learn from the messenger, but to observe his private life, thus they find what everyone can see in the house of any neighbor: the chores of the house, the plate at the table, the towel to dry the hands, etc. All of this disturbs the visitors who come in search of wonders and prodigies... Since all of them have their consciousness asleep, they only perceive the monotony of my routine life, the stuff of my living room and the kitchen, the occurrences at my dinner table, etc. So, it is not possible for visitors to find perfections. Perhaps they think that I sleep in a bed made of roses?
"Thus, the outcome of all this is gossip. The visitor becomes defrauded when he does not find prestidigitators or something of the sort in my house; then, he or she becomes a gossip. Thus, this is how those who could tread the Path of the Razor's Edge end by withdrawing from the real path...
"I am not more because they praise me, neither am I less because they defame me: I am always what I am. Therefore, the defamation that has been thrown against me does not hurt me. Frankly, I do not care about their criticisms, but unfortunately, when the weak listen to such slander, they withdraw from the path that leads to the final liberation."
- V.M. Samael Aun Weor
Originally posted by dontreally
Do you know what Zion means? It means the Temple Mount,on mount Moriah, in Jerusalem. That is the point of Judaism. That G-d have a temple on the Temple mount, as described by the prophet Ezekiel, and the Jews return to Israel to serve G-d there.
"Every religion is born, grows old, and dies. Judaism is no exemption.
"This is verifiable by observing the lives of many Kabbalists in this day and age, who study the Zohar and the Jewish Scriptures, and yet who disobey the Sixth Commandment: "Thou shalt not fornicate." Many justify animal sexuality because Moses said: "Be fruitful and multiply." But this has to do with the multiplication of our spiritual values, which is achieved through seminal retention and sublimation, not the orgasm.
"The antipole of the Christic teachings of Moses is Zionism, which is black magic. The Zionists were, and are a collective of secret societies, that work to disseminate degeneration and to destroy the works of the White Lodge. There exist many groups in this day that call themselves Zionists, but these are not legitimate. The real Zionists work in secrecy and do not commit the mistake of going public, because they would no longer be able to manipulate the public."
"At first glance, you cannot see what is happening in the depths of the ocean by the shape of the wave. In the same way, all the rifts and battles of the superficial level merely reflect tremendous battles being waged in the internal worlds, in combination with the ascending or descending paths of the combatants, and the initiatic requirements of each.
"Yet, when one has some experience in these matters, one realizes that this is the way it has always been, and it is the way it will always be, so long as the ego remains with humanity. The fact is that movements and schools are vehicles which change drivers from time to time, and those drivers are on the one hand the Monads who are using their human souls to accomplish missions, and on the other hand the demons who are trying to advance their own causes. What is most interesting is that in the space of a breath a movement can shift from being guided by an Initiate on the ascending scale, to being guided by a demonic intelligence, and none of the members of that group will have a clue about it. Yet they go on arguing about who is the best, who has the most knowledge, etc.
"This happened even with the chief of a worldwide religious order, whose lineage contained back-to-back opposites: at one moment the supreme head was really the great demon Jahve, and yet another leader (just before or just after Jahve) was actually a great Initiate of the White Lodge.
(Do not bother asking me who I am talking about, for I will say no more about it).
"Yet people go on assuming that the movement defines the members and leaders, when it is really the other way around. Just because someone calls himself Gnostic does not make him an angel.
"Besides, most of the "history" of movements (and humanity) is all conjectural anyway. If you were there and a part of it, then I would be willing to consider it. But if you were not, then how can you say with confidence that said history has any truth in it?"
(Hebrew בעלים) Baalim is plural, from Baal "Mister, Sir."
"And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served the Baalim..." - Judges 2:11
"The schools of the Baalim were instituted in the abyss by humanity. These are all the pseudo-spiritual schools that actually exist in the world. All such external schools are from the abyss. If man wants to leave the abyss he must liberate his mind from all these cages. When we penetrate into the internal worlds we find all the students of the schools of Baalim submerged in the profound darkness of black magic. These poor beings are searching outwardly for what they already have inside. All such souls continue to rebel against the commands of the Lord Jehovah, eating the forbidden fruit, of which He said, “you shall not eat.” It is painful to see these souls enslaved by the Baalim. The Baalim are black magicians." - Igneous Rose by Samael Aun Weor